Curse

MSecorsky · Feb 17, 2006, 05:00 PM // 17:00

IF you are a scammer, you are no more or less than a thief. The only difference is that you steal in front of someone's eyes instead of from the shadows. To blame the victims is no more rediculous than to blame the guy that got clubbed in the back of the head and never saw it coming. It is brazen thievery, and known scammers should be branded as such, with every character in their account marked as such in towns. I would personally like to see big flourescent orange dunce caps that cannot be removed for a period of three months, first offense.

There would be no victims of scammers if there weren't scammers. The fault, the blame lies on the cause, not the effect.

Loviatar · Feb 17, 2006, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by HDS

TO BE PROSECUTED YOU NEED TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CRIMINAL INTENT/KNOWLEDGE THAT YOUR ACTIONS WERE ILLEGAL. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY SELF AWARENESS THEN PSYCHOLOGISTS HAVE A LABEL FOR YOU, COURTS DO NOT.

JESUS CHRIST, PEOPLE BEFORE YOU SPEAK LOOK WHATYOU ARE SAYING UP DAMMIT!

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just to be certain i am understanding your quoted post.

are you actually saying these scammers have no intent to steal from or defraud the victem?

and are you saying that they are also completely lacking in self awareness?

HDS · Feb 17, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

just to be certain i am understanding your quoted post.

are you actually saying these scammers have no intent to steal from or defraud the victem?

and are you saying that they are also completely lacking in self awareness?

No i am not i am merely stating that they could plead that in the famous example of the

"WTS blahblahblah 45K"
"45?"
"Yeah"
*Trades for 45 gold instead of 45,000 gold*

Very easy to plead as such.

I am saying that your examples are irrelevant.

It is the victims fault in 95% of cases, however because evrybody is such a pussywhip, they will all blame the other guy for their lack of attention.

It's like walking into a neighborhood that you KNOW is dominated by a gang while wearing clothes identical the the rival gang, it is nto the gangs fault you are a moron.

I have never scammed before but i promise you if they do implement your measures "bright orange dunce cap" i will start scamming my ass off as much as possible.

Your example with being clubbed inthe back of the head is IRRELEVANT, for that to happen in GW you would need team killing enabled and then the scammer/ IN THAT CASE THIEF, would have to wait 5 min for drop to no longer be reserved.

There would be no scammers without a cause

HDS · Feb 17, 2006, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

just to be certain i am understanding your quoted post.

are you actually saying these scammers have no intent to steal from or defraud the victem?

and are you saying that they are also completely lacking in self awareness?

No i am not i am merely stating that they could plead that in the famous example of the

"WTS blahblahblah 45K"
"45?"
"Yeah"
*Trades for 45 gold instead of 45,000 gold*

Very easy to plead as such.

I am saying that your examples are irrelevant.

It is the victims fault in 95% of cases, however because evrybody is such a pussywhip, they will all blame the other guy for their lack of attention.

It's like walking into a neighborhood that you KNOW is dominated by a gang while wearing clothes identical the the rival gang, it is nto the gangs fault you are a moron.

I have never scammed before but i promise you if they do implement your measures "bright orange dunce cap" i will start scamming my ass off as much as possible.

Your example with being clubbed inthe back of the head is IRRELEVANT, for that to happen in GW you would need team killing enabled and then the scammer/ IN THAT CASE THIEF, would have to wait 5 min for drop to no longer be reserved.

There would be no scammers without a cause

glountz · Feb 17, 2006, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by HDS

What you said is COMPLETELY different, you must consider that in GW all items have descriptions on them that SAYS what they are, IRL objects dont, if they did, which is what you would need to prove that scammers are theives in your sense of the word, then your example would be null and void due to carelessness on the part of the buyer who VOLOUNTARILY put up the money.

Scamming is not direct thieft, it's swindle. You don't take away directly the money from the victim, you sell something for what it isn't. It's like fraud, if you want. In real life, it is prosecuted by law. When you give gold instead of plats, it's like in real life someone buy you something with counterfeit money or stolen paycheck because you weren't paying attention. In real life also it is prosecuted by law.
But in any way, a scammer should be unresponsible of its acts because it's virtual or he abused an misinformed player. Misinformation and lack of attention is not a crime. Using this to your own advantage while killing the ignorant player's pleasure is, would it be real or virtual.
Well, like I said before, scamming online for virtual gold/items should be punished by virtual prosecution. A orange aura? Why not... Banning is not the solution.

eom · Feb 17, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by {IceFire}

dude thats not cool. i spent over 10 hours farming that money, and it was scammed. I am by nature a trusting person. At least I earned my money clean and have a sense of accomplishment. Would you do this in real life? I think not. Guild Wars really needs GM's atm.... theyre basically the police of MMO's, kinda.

eom, go earn your money instead of scamming someone. are you heartless like all other scammers? games are supposed to be for ENJOYMENT, not scamming someone.... that is truly taking a game too seriously.

hehehehehe...
'nuff said.

ps

some of you guys really need to make an effort at separating your computer games and comic books from the real world.
just my free advice.

oh, here's some more advice ---
next time you invest 10 hours of your life piling up your pointless imaginary money you might want to take a little better care of it.

Diablo™ · Feb 17, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48

When you deprive another person of their rightful property through misleading deceptions, you are commiting larceny. Since deceptions were "designed" to decieve, whomever unknowingly fall victim to it are only victims of the design, not themselves.

(If you want to get technical...)
Larceny through complex actions for personal benefit rules out an insanity plea. Knowledge that the criminal activity commited is illegal is not required for prosecution, what qualifies as an insanity plea is a legal classification of mental incompetence, incapable of carrying out even the most reasonable activities, much less the art of deceptions.

Besides, legal contract (EULA) binds the player to agreements prohibiting players to such acts deemed by Arena.net to be disruptive. Reporting and Banning such players is only the enforcement of a contract, not someone trying to

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Originally Posted by HDS

... bitch abtou scammers ...

Diablo™ · Feb 17, 2006, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by HDS

There would be no scammers without a cause

Everything has a cause, genocides has a cause, does that mean it is condonable?

eom · Feb 17, 2006, 06:02 PM // 18:02

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Originally Posted by FreTzer

LOL

I got the same feeling....

I actually got scammed during the first trade I attempted, and to be honest, my feelings where very similar to Rilders. Even cost me a perfectly nice glass of coke, and it took me hours to repaint my white wall where the glass got smashed.

But when I calmed down I actually thought that I should send a big thanks to that guy, beccause he made me realize that there will always be assholes, even in an online-game, and you really have to be on your toes when you attempt a trade.

As a former poster said: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame, on me.

I like the wipe account idea, a far better punishment than a temporary ban.

and for the record, if my post didn´t make it clear: I HATE scammers!

If any1 feels that this post was a totaly waste of time, sorry...

Peace brothers and sisters, cya in the digital world!

ok, you and rilder really need counseling.
just as a tiny step fwd, could you post the name of the person who threw the glass of coke at your wall?

ps -- rilder

could you tell us how you got cheated out of the item that made you cry?

~ signed,
dr phil

Mordakai · Feb 17, 2006, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by eom

hehehehehe...
'nuff said.

ps

some of you guys really need to make an effort at separating your computer games and comic books from the real world.
just my free advice.

oh, here's some more advice ---
next time you invest 10 hours of your life piling up your pointless imaginary money you might want to take a little better care of it.

What's the difference between someone "borrowing" my stereo, and someone "borrowing" an expensive virtual item?

Both items took time (i.e., money) to get. Just because an item is virtual, doesn't mean that it's no less important to a person.

The funny thing is, obviously scammers don't feel virtual items are worthless, or else they wouldn't scam!

HDS · Feb 17, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by glountz

Scamming is not direct thieft, it's swindle. You don't take away directly the money from the victim, you sell something for what it isn't. It's like fraud, if you want. In real life, it is prosecuted by law. When you give gold instead of plats, it's like in real life someone buy you something with counterfeit money or stolen paycheck because you weren't paying attention. In real life also it is prosecuted by law.
But in any way, a scammer should be unresponsible of its acts because it's virtual or he abused an misinformed player. Misinformation and lack of attention is not a crime. Using this to your own advantage while killing the ignorant player's pleasure is, would it be real or virtual.
Well, like I said before, scamming online for virtual gold/items should be punished by virtual prosecution. A orange aura? Why not... Banning is not the solution.

READ MY POSTS!

JESUS CHRIST FFS!

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I SAID ALREADY, IRL OBJECTS HAVE ____NO_____ DESCRIPTION, IN GAME THEY DO.

I promise you, the moment they implement to orange aura will be the moment that i will start scamming & form a guild of scammers.

HDS · Feb 17, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

When you deprive another person of their rightful property through misleading deceptions, you are commiting larceny. Since deceptions were "designed" to decieve, whomever unknowingly fall victim to it are only victims of the design, not themselves.

(If you want to get technical...)
Larceny through complex actions for personal benefit rules out an insanity plea. Knowledge that the criminal activity commited is illegal is not required for prosecution, what qualifies as an insanity plea is a legal classification of mental incompetence, incapable of carrying out even the most reasonable activities, much less the art of deceptions.

Besides, legal contract (EULA) binds the player to agreements prohibiting players to such acts deemed by Arena.net to be disruptive. Reporting and Banning such players is only the enforcement of a contract, not someone trying to

Mislead deceptions, exactly but if you are the moron who is INCAPABLE of reading, not the scammers problem.

Imagine this: Guy gives you check for $1,000,000 instead of $10,000, for a cra or whatever, because he cannot read. You thank him and take your money. Is it your fault or his that he is an incapable moron?

eom · Feb 17, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

What's the difference between someone "borrowing" my stereo, and someone "borrowing" an expensive virtual item?

...............

HDS · Feb 17, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

When you deprive another person of their rightful property through misleading deceptions, you are commiting larceny. Since deceptions were "designed" to decieve, whomever unknowingly fall victim to it are only victims of the design, not themselves.

(If you want to get technical...)
Larceny through complex actions for personal benefit rules out an insanity plea. Knowledge that the criminal activity commited is illegal is not required for prosecution, what qualifies as an insanity plea is a legal classification of mental incompetence, incapable of carrying out even the most reasonable activities, much less the art of deceptions.

Besides, legal contract (EULA) binds the player to agreements prohibiting players to such acts deemed by Arena.net to be disruptive. Reporting and Banning such players is only the enforcement of a contract, not someone trying to

Mislead deceptions, exactly but if you are the moron who is INCAPABLE of reading, not the scammers problem.

Imagine this: Guy gives you check for $1,000,000 instead of $10,000, for a cra or whatever, because he cannot read. You thank him and take your money. Is it your fault or his that he is an incapable moron?

HDS · Feb 17, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

What's the difference between someone "borrowing" my stereo, and someone "borrowing" an expensive virtual item?

Both items took time (i.e., money) to get. Just because an item is virtual, doesn't mean that it's no less important to a person.

The funny thing is, obviously scammers don't feel virtual items are worthless, or else they wouldn't scam!

The difference is one is a physical object and another is an object in a game.

If a person gives the same importance to a virtual object as to a real object then i will trade that person 10 HoD swords, 10 HoD axes and 10 Perfect crystallines for his $90,000 car, after all they ar eboth worth alot and both are worth money.

HDS · Feb 17, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

Everything has a cause, genocides has a cause, does that mean it is condonable?

No, but what i was saying(which you SHOULD have realised) was that to get rid of scammers you need to get rid of the cause.

HDS · Feb 17, 2006, 06:24 PM // 18:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diablo™

When you deprive another person of their rightful property through misleading deceptions, you are commiting larceny. Since deceptions were "designed" to decieve, whomever unknowingly fall victim to it are only victims of the design, not themselves.

(If you want to get technical...)
Larceny through complex actions for personal benefit rules out an insanity plea. Knowledge that the criminal activity commited is illegal is not required for prosecution, what qualifies as an insanity plea is a legal classification of mental incompetence, incapable of carrying out even the most reasonable activities, much less the art of deceptions.

May i draw your attention to the Enron Defence teams again? If you are decieved by the seller, which you could very well say assuming you never implied 10K instead of 10 gold, it is the sellers fault for providing you with false info.

eom · Feb 17, 2006, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by HDS

The difference is one is a physical object and another is an object in a game.

If a person gives the same importance to a virtual object as to a real object then i will trade that person 10 HoD swords, 10 HoD axes and 10 Perfect crystallines for his $90,000 car, after all they ar eboth worth alot and both are worth money.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

hey, that's a good idea.
although I doubt anybody playing gw has a 90k car...

anybody who wants to sell me real stuff for gw money plz leave your name in this thread

HDS · Feb 17, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by eom

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

hey, that's a good idea.
although I doubt anybody playing gw has a 90k car...

anybody who wants to sell me real stuff for gw money plz leave your name in this thread

I'm not joking, it's true, if you attatch the same importance to GW items as to RL items then i am very willing to make such trades with you!

Thats what the guy implied, you imply it you face consequences of your implications.

He is also implying that if he has a group of great friends IRL he would have a hard time deciding wether to lose them or to lose a guild.

Actually, look, I'll buy you a celestial sigil, and you give me your house.

After all, both take time & money to acquire, both provide shelter/ a place of your own!

Edit: Give me a tailor made Black Armani suit, to my specifications and a gucci suit and i will buy you 2 sets of 15K armor died black.

Or: Hire te worlds BEST designer to make THE PERFECT suti for me, and i will get you FoW armor.

Shadow-Hunter · Feb 17, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Scamming is wrong, very wrong... Now its just an online game, but some ppl play/work for DAYS! to get some items and stuff.... Like some items are worth a ton, and you have to work alot to get it, then some scamer take that away from you... all becouse he is too lazy to get it the right way... So i think that all scammers should have their acc's perm banned from the game they scammed in... Scamming just ruin it for so many ppl... Some new guy might not know how not to get scammed, and if he lose his stuff, he might even stop playing.. =/ ..

~Shadow