Curse

tryptamine_xxp · Feb 23, 2006, 11:44 AM // 11:44

if they should ban runners then they should ban traders cause they offer goods-services in exchange for INGAME cash... their effort for your cash,,,, they should all be ba..... wait... isnt this wrong? :P

William Stark · Feb 23, 2006, 12:33 PM // 12:33

Interesting thread guys, and thanks for bringing it up. I've gone from worried (as I started reading) to quite hopeful.

I was doing fairly regular Droknar runs until a few weeks ago, but I stopped doing it (except by request) because of the vast number of runners who always seemed to be spamming their services. I also felt kinda sorry for anyone trying to get a quest done from Beacons, with their attempts to get a team swamped by chat spam.

Reports from several of my friends seemed to indicate a surge in the number of new/poor quality/scam runners. If Anet are cracking down on the latter, then great. I'm happy just to do occasional runs for repeat clients/guildies and a few extras to fill out these groups. Not taking large numbers of PUGs from Beacons to Droks is a small price to pay for making life difficult for scammers and cutting back on the message traffic.

Zaxan Razor · Feb 23, 2006, 12:55 PM // 12:55

Personally it wouldnt surprise me if running was banned, or at least people who charge for running are stopped, for several reasons;

1) It is stopping people from playing the game. In PvP, IWAY is stopping people from learning how to play the game properly, and now in PvE, people aren't learning how to play the game properly, because as soon as they get to ascalon city/beacons perch or wherever, they see that they can be run to the end City. It really ruins the game for people that want to play thru. Its said when you get to the Fire island chain, and you play with people who only have 6 skills in their bar, dont have any elites and dont have a clue what they're supposed to be doing.

2) There are so many complaints from both runners and runees (sp?:P) about being scammed, that it must take up 80% of the scam reports that ANet ahs to deal with, and there is no real way to police it.

Ok i said several reasons, but, the others i had in mind relate to the first two..so there are two reasons :P

SilentAssassin · Feb 23, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

man,

its easy as it is

runners dont get banned !!

They only get banned when they scam ppl, like asking money halfway and then leave. Goodjob A.net ban those darn scammers !!

Most runners who say stuff like that are scammers themselves...

Optime · Feb 23, 2006, 01:04 PM // 13:04

Anet has never said they don't agree with running, and I think in fact that they once said something along the lines of seeing it as a viable business.

Just to note, I do not personally believe running ruins the game for anyone. New players are not FORCED to take runs to different places. In fact, I would be surprised if the majority of them had the money for such runs. Also, surely these players would know they are ruining the game for themselves if they were to take such runs? And therefore, why would they do it?

Scamming is, and always will be, a problem of the players. It is because people decide they want to scam that it happens, not only in running, but in trading too. There are people within the game who set out to do exactly what they offer, with no devious thoughts behind it (i.e. scamming). These are the people who are rewarded, since they are given a good name, and often, this good name can be spread between players, resulting in further business. The scammers however are shamed within the community and therefore they quickly lose business.

Of course, these are just my opinions, and sorry it's slightly off-topic. I was just replying to the above post ^^

Thanks,
Optime

Edit: Replying to post 23*

Edit: Also, to the post above, sometimes, asking for money half way, is done as an attempt to make it fair for both runners and customers, but, of course, there are always people who will abuse it ^^

Lord Cooper · Feb 23, 2006, 01:04 PM // 13:04

i noticed last night that the ettins around beetletun have got harder.. i thought i was just off-form for solo'ing but maybe not

M1h4iL · Feb 23, 2006, 01:05 PM // 13:05

I was run today from LA all the way to crystal deserts and all the cities there, havent heard about this rumor that people get banned for running.

Cador · Feb 23, 2006, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaxan Razor

Personally it wouldnt surprise me if running was banned, or at least people who charge for running are stopped, for several reasons;

1) It is stopping people from playing the game. In PvP, IWAY is stopping people from learning how to play the game properly, and now in PvE, people aren't learning how to play the game properly, because as soon as they get to ascalon city/beacons perch or wherever, they see that they can be run to the end City. It really ruins the game for people that want to play thru. Its said when you get to the Fire island chain, and you play with people who only have 6 skills in their bar, dont have any elites and dont have a clue what they're supposed to be doing.

2) There are so many complaints from both runners and runees (sp?:P) about being scammed, that it must take up 80% of the scam reports that ANet ahs to deal with, and there is no real way to police it.

Ok i said several reasons, but, the others i had in mind relate to the first two..so there are two reasons :P

Are you bloody serious????????? I mean come on. Most low levels who want to be run get run to amnoon HAVE to do the three missions or get run through those then get ascended and have a chance to cap skills out of rankor or droks. or the three ascension missions, and guess what MOST do.

Heres a tidbit for you MOST people who get run are on thier second character having beaten the game with first or gotten significantly far with gameplay through missoins.

When i made my ranger i had him run all over the place cause i did not want to go through all the missions again i found them boring and monotonous. i prefer SF farming and now TOPK farming.

Please think before you post because that really was an insult to runners myself being one.

coolsti · Feb 23, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

It can be expected that Anet will react somehow to any kind of game activity that is contrary to how the game was intended to be played if it gets out of hand. And I would certainly agree that players offering their services as runners to other players certainly has gotten out of hand. When I started to play GW, it was nearly impossible to do anything on the local chat at Beacons because of all the running offers to Droks. Nowadays nearly every outpost and town is filled with runners. Its hard to get a party for real travelling in the desert, for example, because the predominance of runners has given GW players the impression that it isn't possible or worthwhile trying to get to the mission towns any other way.

I can only suppose that as long as the offers for running services continues to grow as it has, Anet will eventually, if not already, take some strong measures to knock it back to a reasonable level.

xxSilhouette · Feb 23, 2006, 01:26 PM // 13:26

I have noticed that i see very few runners here lately, But i think it is beacuse a lot of people are running for tips or for free, which is fine if thats what they want to do - but a lot of runners quit running beacuse others are taking there buisness. At least i know thats why a few of them did it. I still see the desert runners and southern shiverpeak runners though.

Im going to agree with talon, I'd say the only runners getting banned are those who are doing the scamming.

koneko · Feb 23, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

They are not banning running as much as they are banning those who charge.

Roffles with syrup and lmaonnaise.

Gonzo · Feb 23, 2006, 01:36 PM // 13:36

Most low lvl without game experience will:
a) have somebody who knows them and will get run for free (that person might also give them pointers on how to play the game)
b) dont have money to get a run anywhere and are very lucky to get a run up to piken/yaks let alone a run all the way to LA or even the desert

- however, I got my first char to LA pretty fast thanks to a free runner, but I bought my (for me at that point) very cool looking armour (which happened to be better) and zoned back to piken to LFP to do dukes daughter.

akitas371 · Feb 23, 2006, 01:37 PM // 13:37

They are not banning period. Its a rumour. This morning alone i found a huge amount of runners both in LA and Beacons. THEY ARENT BANNING FOR RUNNING. Ive made well over 10 LA runs this morning and couple miscellaous runs. They arent nuking running at all.

Gonzo · Feb 23, 2006, 01:49 PM // 13:49

Wow, sorry for the terrible English in above post.

XvArchonvX · Feb 23, 2006, 01:50 PM // 13:50

I doubt A-net will ban running because I think they have a diffrent plan for how it should work. I believe the reason that the Droks run has been made harder and harder is not to discourage running altogether, but rather to drive up the price of a droks run. This will make the run less accessible to those who are playing the game for the first time. In terms of that goal I think they have done well since no one really has 3k (or however much it costs for a droks run nowadays) by the time they get to Beacon's Perch. I remember I only had about a couple hundred gold at that point. Even if they could afford the run, they would find little point due to the price of droks armor as well.

As for the discussion of how running is used as a way for people to not do the missions, I would say that is a legitamate concern. Someone that just sears can be ran all the way through the desert, ran through the Elona's mission, ran through the Thirsty mission (with a necro of course), and only have to fight Dunes which is by far the easiest mission.

I really think their greatest concern is that people don't get new characters, have them run everywhere and powerleveled just so they can farm. In terms of resoponse to this, I think A-net should work harder on making missions and quests more profitable instead of making farming less profitable...

L I G H T · Feb 23, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

I've head Gale Grey say that they actually like making things harder so it's more of a challange for the player's...for running that is, she says she dosen't mind..

Kurald Galain · Feb 23, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

I don't really know why should ban any honest runners.

First of all noone has to accept a run anywhere if they don't want to. They can still play the game normally without beeing run anywhere.

Second if they really want to get rid of running there are other ways to stop it. Without banning people and possibly loosing players/customers. They would just need to close off some areas and add more Sanctum Cay/ Ascension like missions . Just make sure those aren't runable.

So all in all i think its beein dishonest runners that got banned.

devils wraths · Feb 23, 2006, 02:13 PM // 14:13

it could make sence though because all you see in the towns are people asking to be run or running. people arent actually doing the game like its meant to be played anymore. im not saying they should be banned they should make it harder.

Kern Wolf · Feb 23, 2006, 02:17 PM // 14:17

I think there are 2 parts to this:

I don't blame runners so much (after all, if you can make a tidy sum "running" people from city to city, more power to you); I think those people LOOKING to have someone run them from city to city need to seriously think about their consequences:

1. Lack of experience: You let someone run you through 3/4 of the game. I'm wondering: with all of that running, where do you get gold? Weapons? Salvage materials and weapons upgrades? (Lord, do I hate those people who are CONSTANTLY begging for gold: you know them: "Could some kind person PLEASE loan me 5k for new armor?" and then they wonder why they're getting abused by everyone else.) Most important, where do you get skills (specifically, experience) in battle? I've had to "recommend" strategies to fighting that are obvious to those players who fought from city to city, but it comes across like a foreign language to those who have been "run" all over the map.

2. Lack of Understanding what you character can actually do hurts everyone else in your party: Those who have fought their way through the game have, at a MINIMUM, a pretty good understanding of what their professions' skills can do, how to use them (heck, I'm STILL tring to find that mythical "perfect build" for a warrior/elemental, even though I've finished all the missions), and how to "strategize" with teammates. The funny situation is this;
As that seasoned player, say to yourself, "Hmmmm, I think I'm gonna do hell's precipice. Let me see what I can farm or cap." (heck, you may be just bored, and want to do it for kicks one day!) You also decide, "Let me join a group of people who need this mission." (You're that skilled player, who decides to help someone get over that final mission). You join a group, set your skills, and you're on your way. You get to that 1st Titan, and you see that there's someone not joining the fighting. "Hey, what's up?" you type while waiting for that titan to spawn. you get no reply (in fact, the person may decide to try and cuss you out!), then you realize "Jeez, what's up with this person?". After the fighting ends (and hopefully, you'ved survived), you ask that person to decsribe their skillset, you realize that they dont have a CLUE as to what they're doing. (I've apologized to other players and dropped out because I WON'T run ANYONE through a mission.)

I also dont think people who are run will ever TRULY finish this game. If you're willing to run someone through the whole game, all the Titan Quests, the Titan Source, let me see you take them in to FOW or UW, then get back to me (I'm sure it'll be a short trip!) and let me know if it was worth running someone through the game.

Ira Blinks · Feb 23, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cador

Heres a tidbit for you MOST people who get run are on thier second character having beaten the game with first or gotten significantly far with gameplay through missoins.

that doesnt make them good players, does it?
I made it thru the game with my ele before i created necro, but i still played it all thru (did most missions with henchies tho), and i beilive that makes me a good necro. And on top of that im sick and tired off all people spamming "VERY EXPERIENCED <char> LFG" in their fow/15k armor and still can not play their character even semi-well.
You have to PLAY the game before you become good at it, even if you know all missions by heart and took ready-to-go build from forums. Different characters require different reflexes and responses to different situation... that is something you can not get by reading or stacking new char with greens.