Curse

wolfe2dale · Mar 07, 2006, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by Savio

You can run a PvP damage warrior in PvE easily, but you can't say the same about a PvE tank in PvP. The damage warrior wins.

Why would someone run a tank in pve? I run a pve damage warrior (w/r), never really saw the point of the tank...

Murder In China · Mar 07, 2006, 04:35 PM // 16:35

To hold arggo.

wolfe2dale · Mar 07, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Murder In China

To hold arggo.

not my play style I guess...I like to strategise how to beat a mission, not just standing there taking punishment....

That would be such a boring way to play.

wheel · Mar 07, 2006, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Vanquisher

Strength is a trash Primary Attribute. Anyone taking a Strength Helm over a Weapon Mastery/Shortened Hex Duration Helm is, quite simply, an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Urfin

Anyone who boldly states such things is, quite simply, in the same league as said idiots.

He is right. It doesn't have to be said with any sort of doubt. The only two choices for a warrior right now are the Hex reduction helm and the weapon mastery helms.

Str0b0 · Mar 07, 2006, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by Rukmedes

No, the sundering will not continue, Sundering is trash and so are you if you run it.

Platemail has its benefits over Glads.

And warriors are for Damage, I woulden't run a shitty stance tank in GvG

Warriors are a pretty poor source of damage for PvP. They can't compete with the heavier casting damage that the other classes can bring ot the table. In my opinion a warrior should be there to grab the attention of targets and hold them there. Yes people are smarter than AI but if my warrior runs up on you and starts wailing the damage won't be much compared to say meteor shower or something but it will be enough to make you stop and pay attention to me, often long enough for one of my team mates to get the fatal blow in. The only thing I have to do is survive your attacks long enough for them to hit you and frankly Strength is a survival attribute. Everyone get's so used to the "tactics that work" as described by websites and other guides that they lose sight of other tactical possibilities.
One of the primary principles of warfare that applies even to this game is that the minute you come up with a proven tactic to defeat your enemy your enemy will start trying to formulate tactics to counter you. Move away from the accepted norms and experiment. Every skill has a use and every attribute can be applied in a beneficial manner.

Ajantis · Mar 07, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

I guess you never had a good warrior in your face dealing damage then..

Savio · Mar 07, 2006, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

Warriors are a pretty poor source of damage for PvP. They can't compete with the heavier casting damage that the other classes can bring ot the table.

Link 1: Warrior damage > other damage.
Link 2: How many people ran non-Warrior builds?

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Every skill has a use and every attribute can be applied in a beneficial manner.

No, not every skill has a use.

wsmcasey · Mar 07, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48

I run a maxed out tactics build with the rest of the points in strength. zero points in weaponry. I can run the desert and farm at the same time with no problems.................If you can't figure out how, then I'm sorry.

JR · Mar 07, 2006, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

That's making a lot of assumptions on your part. The burden of proof is not on me just because I deviate from you cookie cutter characters. I have a string of unmatched GvG victories to prove my builds and strategies work.

Unranked against *who*?

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

You are making the assumption that all our opponents have been unskilled. The bottom line is all you bottom feeders can't think for yourselves.

Or we just understand that there is a right way to do things, and a wrong way. Being different does not make you any better, infact it makes you worse.

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

You like the status quo because it's easy. You're the type of person that will end up as mid level management for the rest of your life or some other pathetically average occupation because you don't try to excel you don't try to break out of the box.

And you are the type of person that thinks the job you do has anything to do with how you play a game?

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

Like I said I'll look for you people in the arenas

In arenas? Enough already. =/

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

and when I spank you and send you crying home to your mommies with my strength based warrior or one of my other unorthodox PvP builds

A shame Strength has proven in extensive testing to be trash. A shame Weapon mastery has proven in extensive testing to be the best attribute to spec highly in for a warrior.

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

Victories make you right.

Agreed. So come and argue with me when your guild gets anywhere.

Sekkira · Mar 07, 2006, 06:03 PM // 18:03

People follow trends... Correction, top level players in this game follow trends not because "Hey he done it" but because "Hey, this works" and "Wow, these guys that ran this aren't stupid"

FnlD Vs TPF

Good luck buddy.

Edit: Victories don't make you right, they mean you are better. Losses make you wrong, so you can learn and be right.

Airey · Mar 07, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

So what you're saying is a bonus that gives a small percentage additional damage on a skill is better than having a higher percentage critical chance, which hits more often and does more damage. (ps that small percentage is about an awesome 6% extra damage)

Interesting logic, to be fair

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Warriors are a pretty poor source of damage for PvP

Good Game - shot yourself there. Pity warriors are the only class that can quickly solo a GL, they're the most common class in split builds, they have huge pressure AND can spike. Where is the elementalist pressure? Speed boosts, with huge spiking capability.

Infact, their only weaknesses is that they cannot easily work with a lot of secondary skills, and they have to build up adrenaline

unienaule · Mar 07, 2006, 06:08 PM // 18:08

My 2 cents on strategy: Using personal attacks to try to support your build ideas is a very lazy, cookie cutter strategy. Therefore, I deleted all those posts once they degenerated into flames, so stop it.

audioaxes · Mar 07, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

if you have one helmet in pvp it should be weapon mastery

frojack · Mar 07, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by unienaule

My 2 cents on strategy: Using personal attacks to try to support your build ideas is a very lazy, cookie cutter strategy. Therefore, I deleted all those posts once they degenerated into flames, so stop it.

I must apologise for the above situation. I'm usually good at spotting what I can only describe as pointless antagonisation. This time however I failed. Since post's are prone to being edited and deleted so freely, I will refrain from posting from now on to avoid sounding like a nonsensical idiot.

Cheers...

The Real Roy Keane · Mar 07, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

Warriors are a pretty poor source of damage for PvP.... Yes people are smarter than AI but if my warrior runs up on you and starts wailing the damage won't be much compared to say meteor shower or something but it will be enough to make you stop and pay attention to me, often long enough for one of my team mates to get the fatal blow in.

What have you been smoking? Warriors are the primary damage dealers in PvP. Any team that depends on Meteor Shower to deal reliable damage won't beat a Minion Factory, let alone a competent team.

Maxiemonster · Mar 07, 2006, 08:18 PM // 20:18

I prefer dividing my Attribute points between all 3 weapons. 11 in Swords, 10 in Axe and 10 in Hammer. And then I use my Strength helmet.

Sekkira · Mar 07, 2006, 09:31 PM // 21:31

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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

I prefer dividing my Attribute points between all 3 weapons. 11 in Swords, 10 in Axe and 10 in Hammer. And then I use my Strength helmet.

Hahaha! Priceless.

Ilya Khan · Mar 08, 2006, 12:51 AM // 00:51

Now...listen and listen well.
I said that the Gladiator's helm is the best choice. I did not say that the whole set is the best. Personally, I mix a few sets to get the reduction bonus from the plate set where necessary and other sets for armor/energy where best.
By the way, your guild rank does not determine how good or knowledgeable you are. I would hardly even consider it a good way to measure one's success. I do not care how those 8 people you know do in a guild battle.

As for the helm choice, I reiterate that gladiator's is the best choice not only because you get the +1 attribute, but you also get +1 energy (a small boost but a boost nonetheless). And when will buffing your team's armor help you? 20 armor is a substantial boost that can ease the demand on your monks.

Oh, and I beleive your holding healing sig on a bit too high of a pedastal. I am not sayin its bad, i'm saying its good but not as good as you make it out to be.

Savio · Mar 08, 2006, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by Ilya Khan

I said that the Gladiator's helm is the best choice. I did not say that the whole set is the best.

You've got it backwards. You want your armor set to be mostly Gladiator's, but the headgear should be either a +1 weapon attribute helm or Lieutenant's Helm. The boots should be Knight's/Ascalon. +1 to your weapon far outweighs +1 to Tactics and a minor +1 energy.

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I do not care how those 8 people you know do in a guild battle.

If they're winning, they're doing something right.

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And when will buffing your team's armor help you? 20 armor is a substantial boost that can ease the demand on your monks.

Warriors should not be close enough to the Monks to be able to buff them with shouts consistently.

Str0b0 · Mar 08, 2006, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Apparently I spoke above my "pay grade" so to speak and I have been asked by my Guild leader to offer a formal apology for hte flames I wrote and for the trash talk. So here it is. I retract my flames and apologize for my behavior. I've been told not to post on forums anymore without my guild leaders express approval.