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Thunderbolt300 · Mar 08, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

The GWRPA is where it's at!

No problem- I thought you could all use the link to our community posted somewhere.

Kakumei · Mar 08, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Thunderbolt300

I believe the site - www.gwrpa.org - can show you that roleplaying is very alive on Guild Wars. You may not see us, but rest assured, we're around- it's just that typically we tend to hang out in the international districts where there's significantly less traffic, so in that respect, we're a little hidden. As poorly made as Guild Wars is for roleplay (as compared to something like NeverWinter Nights), Guild Wars does have the capability to support us.

There are plenty of RP guilds out there. Currently, the RP community of guilds is attempting to organize and we're planning RP events out already.

Why?

Why do you bother? You admit yourself that GW is a poor roleplay environment, so why do you even bother making the effort--pounding a square peg into a round hole? There are a nigh-infinite amount of places more suited to roleplay, so...seriously, why?

Thunderbolt300 · Mar 08, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

I could go into logical reasons and explainations for how Guild Wars is in some ways better than other games (even NeverWinter- for instance, no one has to maintain a server- we're provided one here, as we don't have to maintain it), but I'll take the philosophical answer to this question:

Why not?

~ Star Maiden ~ · Mar 08, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

Why?

Why do you bother? You admit yourself that GW is a poor roleplay environment, so why do you even bother making the effort--pounding a square peg into a round hole? There are a nigh-infinite amount of places more suited to roleplay, so...seriously, why?

Kakumei, no offense to you, but the answer is... because they can, and they want to do it. They enjoy GW and they enjoy RPing so they're trying to do the best they can to incorporate both, no matter how difficult it might seem.

The fact they have a guild and are organized and are still around means that they've been accomplishing their goal, however small it might appear in the grand scheme of things. You should respect that even if you don't agree with it.

Kakumei · Mar 08, 2006, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by Thunderbolt300

I could go into logical reasons and explainations for how Guild Wars is in some ways better than other games (even NeverWinter- for instance, no one has to maintain a server- we're provided one here, as we don't have to maintain it), but I'll take the philosophical answer to this question:

Why not?

Because it takes effort. An ENORMOUS amount. You're restricted in so many ways, there's no 'ops', there's no admins watching to make sure that your sessions are uninterrupted and unmolested.

Why would you do it here, when there are so very many places SO MUCH BETTER suited to what you want to do? NWN is good. IRC is (imo) the absolute best, and it's not like that takes much effort at ALL to set up.

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Originally Posted by ~ Star Maiden ~

Kakumei, no offense to you, but the answer is... because they can, and they want to do it. They enjoy GW and they enjoy RPing so they're trying to do the best they can to incorporate both, no matter how difficult it might seem.

The fact they have a guild and are organized and are still around means that they've been accomplishing their goal, however small it might appear in the grand scheme of things. You should respect that even if you don't agree with it.

I never said I didn't agree with it. By all means, if you want to endure all of the pain and annoyance that comes with trying to roleplay in an area not at all suited toward roleplaying, be my guest.

I just don't understand why you would be so masochistic--why expend the effort, when you don't need to?

Thunderbolt300 · Mar 08, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by ~ Star Maiden ~

Kakumei, no offense to you, but the answer is... because they can, and they want to do it. They enjoy GW and they enjoy RPing so they're trying to do the best they can to incorporate both, no matter how difficult it might seem.

The fact they have a guild and are organized and are still around means that they've been accomplishing their goal, however small it might appear in the grand scheme of things. You should respect that even if you don't agree with it.

Very well said. One note though- we're not just a single guild. There's over eight RP guilds that coordinate actively on the GWRPA forums, and among them, one of them is a Guild of the Week, with several working towards application (Forever Knights is the one I'm talking of here).

Leon_Ux-ixen · Mar 08, 2006, 07:44 PM // 19:44

That is true if you take the square peg and grind it into the circle hole it will fit in time. Thing adept to the pressures and requirments of life. Far rp my R/N speaks much like a druid or a person who lives in the wild so his english may seem broken. My Mo/W spekas sometimes within riddles much like most wisemen or matiral art master. (ryu-sensai) My N/Me speaks almost prefect english much like a noble from Britian though his word are twisted and cruel as is he. I try to scamble things up. oh an Via va Le rp in gW!!!

Sekkira · Mar 08, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by Leon_Ux-ixen

Far rp my R/N speaks much like a druid or a person who lives in the wild so his english may seem broken.

He's not the only one.

~ Star Maiden ~ · Mar 08, 2006, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

I just don't understand why you would be so masochistic--why expend the effort, when you don't need to?

I already answered this in my earlier post, but just to emphasize, it's not about needing to do anything. You don't need to play GW. You don't need to play videogames. As much as any of us have a passion for those things, or other forms of entertainment, we won't die if we're without them (some MMO uber-junkies might argue that, though lol).

We WANT to do it. It's as simple as that. Your form of sadomasochism is just someone else's way of going against the grain and getting enjoyment out of a product that might not be conducive to RPing on the surface. That doesn't mean it can't support RPing, however.

Kakumei · Mar 08, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by ~ Star Maiden ~

I already answered this in my earlier post, but just to emphasize, it's not about needing to do anything. You don't need to play GW. You don't need to play videogames. As much as any of us have a passion for those things, or other forms of entertainment, we won't die if we're without them (some MMO uber-junkies might argue that, though lol).

We WANT to do it. It's as simple as that. Your form of sadomasochism is just someone else's way of going against the grain and getting enjoyment out of a product that might not be conducive to RPing on the surface. That doesn't mean it can't support RPing, however.

BUT IT DOESN'T SUPPORT IT AT ALL.

There ARE places that DO support roleplaying. There are a MILLION places that are DESIGNED FROM THE GROUND UP to support roleplaying.

Why do it here where people will make fun of you, where you have a restrictive interface, where you have so many problems and obstacles?

It makes no sense at all.

"because we can" is not an answer.

Sekkira · Mar 08, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

"because we can" is not an answer.

Yes it is. Just not the one you're after.

~ Star Maiden ~ · Mar 08, 2006, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

BUT IT DOESN'T SUPPORT IT AT ALL.

There ARE places that DO support roleplaying. There are a MILLION places that are DESIGNED FROM THE GROUND UP to support roleplaying.

Why do it here where people will make fun of you, where you have a restrictive interface, where you have so many problems and obstacles?

It makes no sense at all.

"because we can" is not an answer.

Umm, "because we can" may not be the answer you like to hear, but it is an answer. It's proven by the simple fact these guilds exist and people are RPing in GW, however small the community might be in comparison to the whole, and however you might shake your head in disbelief.

I'm really not interesting in getting into an argument with you over it, Kakumei. I've stated my opinion and you've stated yours, as have others, and it's clear people just have different views on it. So leave it at that.

Rent · Mar 08, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

Yes it is. Just not the one you're after.

Because we can is not an answer, it's a cop out. I can rip my toenails out at the roots, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Roleplaying around people that will mock, harass, and distract you, trying to get a good post on a entry line like that of the guild wars chat, and attempting to not go crazy, seems like it would be just as painful as trying to rip out your toenails. Honestly.. you really -can't- rp in guild wars, not the way that rp was meant to occur.

IMHO

Kakumei · Mar 08, 2006, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by ~ Star Maiden ~

Umm, "because we can" may not be the answer you like to hear, but it is an answer. It's proven by the simple fact these guilds exist and people are RPing in GW, however small the community might be in comparison to the whole, and however you might shake your head in disbelief.

I'm really not interesting in getting into an argument with you over it, Kakumei. I've stated my opinion and you've stated yours, as have others, and it's clear people just have different views on it. So leave it at that.

Or maybe they DO have a legitimate reason, and they simply haven't shared it with me yet, for whatever reason. I want to understand. I want to know whatever it is that I simply don't grasp, what would cause them to fight through all of the difficulty for a mediocre reward--when a much easier and better alternative lies within close reach.

I'm not making fun of anyone. I'm not looking down on the roleplayers, being one myself. I just don't do it in GW, because there are places better suited for it. I just want to understand why people would do it here.

Thunderbolt300 · Mar 08, 2006, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

Because it takes effort. An ENORMOUS amount. You're restricted in so many ways, there's no 'ops', there's no admins watching to make sure that your sessions are uninterrupted and unmolested.

No community ever got strong by shirking away from challenges, no? We've been griefed, and ridiculed, and half a dozen other things, but it hardly matters anymore. We have guild halls and team chat and we thrive there, and in a lot of cases, publically. We just ignore anyone who has a problem with us.

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Why would you do it here, when there are so very many places SO MUCH BETTER suited to what you want to do? NWN is good. IRC is (imo) the absolute best, and it's not like that takes much effort at ALL to set up.

I've been an administrator- and host- of at least four NeverWinter RP servers over the past four years. I can tell you up front that there are a lot of issues that I had to deal with that no one has to deal with in Guild Wars before the game world is already laid out for us. Places like GuildWiki outline all the lore and knowledge we need. Guild Wars roleplay, for me, is a very welcome break from the normal server-politics on NeverWinter. Sadly, in its waning days, NeverWinter has broken down into a conglomeration of kids, and horribly enough, elitist jerks. Very few roleplaying servers of any worth remain.

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I never said I didn't agree with it. By all means, if you want to endure all of the pain and annoyance that comes with trying to roleplay in an area not at all suited toward roleplaying, be my guest.

There's no pain, there's no annoyance. We have no trouble. I went from NeverWinter- a "superior" roleplaying game- to Guild Wars. Yes, there was a minor transition and my having to get used to not being able to walk (

) but I've gotten used to it and I enjoy my time far more than I have on NeverWinter.

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I just don't understand why you would be so masochistic--why expend the effort, when you don't need to?

There's little effort involved. We just crack down and we do it easily, and we have a blast doing it!

As for why, though... just to humor you, mind you.

Some people bought Guild Wars and found roleplaying here. They don't know of any other roleplaying games and in that respect, have the mentality of "ignorance is bliss." Additionally, it's not so much the game that matters so much as the people. The roleplaying community is extremely friendly because we've faced a lot over the past year and we've done it together. Who DOESN'T like to play with their friends (or RP, for that matter)? So, in that respect, the RP community is self-sustaining. We keep with Guild Wars because we all do, and we enjoy playing together. Other people, however, can't afford a better RP-friendly game. Others, like myself, find Guild Wars RP to be significantly easier than in other games.

Sekkira · Mar 08, 2006, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by Rent

Because we can is not an answer, it's a cop out. I can rip my toenails out at the roots, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Roleplaying around people that will mock, harass, and distract you, trying to get a good post on a entry line like that of the guild wars chat, and attempting to not go crazy, seems like it would be just as painful as trying to rip out your toenails. Honestly.. you really -can't- rp in guild wars, not the way that rp was meant to occur.

IMHO

Oh, noone said it was a good answer. We just said it was an answer. Ripping your toenails out at the roots is an idea, so is eating shit on a plate. Noone every said it was good. And those who do have problems.

Rent · Mar 08, 2006, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

Oh, noone said it was a good answer. We just said it was an answer. Ripping your toenails out at the roots is an idea, so is eating shit on a plate. Noone every said it was good. And those who do have problems.

That is the point.. did you like.. read the whole post?

Sekkira · Mar 08, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by Rent

That is the point.. did you like.. read the whole post?

No. I just read through select points. Just to annoy you.

Kakumei · Mar 08, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by Thunderbolt300

No community ever got strong by shirking away from challenges, no? We've been griefed, and ridiculed, and half a dozen other things, but it hardly matters anymore. We have guild halls and team chat and we thrive there, and in a lot of cases, publically. We just ignore anyone who has a problem with us.

I've been an administrator- and host- of at least four NeverWinter RP servers over the past four years. I can tell you up front that there are a lot of issues that I had to deal with that no one has to deal with in Guild Wars before the game world is already laid out for us. Places like GuildWiki outline all the lore and knowledge we need. Guild Wars roleplay, for me, is a very welcome break from the normal server-politics on NeverWinter. Sadly, in its waning days, NeverWinter has broken down into a conglomeration of kids, and horribly enough, elitist jerks. Very few roleplaying servers of any worth remain.

There's no pain, there's no annoyance. We have no trouble. I went from NeverWinter- a "superior" roleplaying game- to Guild Wars. Yes, there was a minor transition and my having to get used to not being able to walk (

) but I've gotten used to it and I enjoy my time far more than I have on NeverWinter.

There's little effort involved. We just crack down and we do it easily, and we have a blast doing it!

As for why, though... just to humor you, mind you.

Some people bought Guild Wars and found roleplaying here. They don't know of any other roleplaying games and in that respect, have the mentality of "ignorance is bliss." Additionally, it's not so much the game that matters so much as the people. The roleplaying community is extremely friendly because we've faced a lot over the past year and we've done it together. Who DOESN'T like to play with their friends (or RP, for that matter)? So, in that respect, the RP community is self-sustaining. We keep with Guild Wars because we all do, and we enjoy playing together. Other people, however, can't afford a better RP-friendly game. Others, like myself, find Guild Wars RP to be significantly easier than in other games.

IRC is free. MUDs are free. They're easy, they're free, the only difference is that they're text-based. Are you telling me that you're sticking with GW solely because of the reason it's graphical?

~ Star Maiden ~ · Mar 08, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by Rent

Because we can is not an answer, it's a cop out. I can rip my toenails out at the roots, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Roleplaying around people that will mock, harass, and distract you, trying to get a good post on a entry line like that of the guild wars chat, and attempting to not go crazy, seems like it would be just as painful as trying to rip out your toenails. Honestly.. you really -can't- rp in guild wars, not the way that rp was meant to occur.

Well, I can turn that around on you just as easily to prove my point...

Why do humans want to explore the unknown, like space, or the deep oceans, or uncharted areas of the world? If we don't know what's there, but know one thing -- that it could be deadly -- why do we do it? Because we like to punish ourselves?

No. Because it's there, and we can. Because we like to TRY, we like to STRIVE, we like to work to accomplish something even when everyone else and their pets say we CAN'T. That's human nature.

I look at a boxer and say to myself, "Why in the world would anyone want to deliberately hurt themselves like that??" and I would never do such a thing, but that doesn't mean that just because I don't agree with it, someone else sees something in it. Maybe the person wants to make money, maybe the person likes the thrill of battle, maybe the person just has this natural fighting skill and wants to channel it somewhere.

There's no *intrinsic* value to boxing, but because someone CAN do it and can find a reason to do it, that's enough. It may baffle you or me, but it's true.

The same can be applied to GW. Obviously, the game mechanic isn't directly set up to make it fully accommodating to RPers, but that doesn't mean YOU CAN'T DO IT.

Enough said.