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DevilStick · Mar 14, 2006, 01:10 AM // 01:10

Well, I for one just hope the rollback goes according to plan at this point.

*Knocks on wood*

I'd hate to have soemthing go wrong and lose stuff I already had.

Hopefully Anet didn't use floppies for the backup.

yangster · Mar 14, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

I just wander if anyone bothers reading the little notice on the login screen.

You will be able to come back by 8:30 PM PST.

yangster · Mar 14, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

I just wander if anyone bothers reading the little notice on the login screen.

You will be able to come back by 8:30 PM PST.

yslee · Mar 14, 2006, 01:12 AM // 01:12

Here're are my thoughts, purely speculation:

Technically the difference shouldn't be that great compared to the last Great Price reset, after all, quite a few (including yours truly here) did profit from it. Some went and got instant FoW armours because of it.

Now, although unintentional, the damage that this reset could have done was probably less, since from what I've seen on here and from what I've heard from my guildies, the devs noticed the aberration and locked down the traders pretty quick. They could've fixed the problem quickly, and let the traders go on with the original prices, and let the small amount of people profit (which should be a lot less than the original number of people from the last reset).

Thing is, I think they realised they couldn't fix it. Again, from what I hear, the prices of the affected items were stuck at 250g despite heavy trading. The prices of some items in the last reset went up within an hour, but this time they didn't. I'm thinking the glitch in the server probably broke the traders so bad, that no matter what happened, they'd continue to sell the items at 250g.

As you can see, for certain things, like Runes, that would really be destabalising to the economy. Why bother with a drop when you can just buy? Thus leading to the second problem when they eventually run out: No one is going to try to sell a rare drop to a trader if they're going to get less than some uncommon drop. People will end up keeping the drops for themselves, and if they do sell, they'll sell it on the open market, which leads to yet another problem. Without the Traders as a price regulator, we're probably going to see some really stupid prices for these items. Either that or once they get too common and become too cheap, no one is going to bother trading or farming for these items, potentially breaking that portion of the economy.

ANet probably realised that having fixed low prices of what were once expensive items posed a great problem, and if they couldn't fix the traders on-the-fly (with a patch or something), they decided to use the rollback as a last resort. I'm guessing right now they're testing the traders for the bug, and trying to prevent it from happening again, since I don't think rollbacks take 5-6 hours to do!

Once again, pure speculation on my part based on my analysis of the situation!

theVariable · Mar 14, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

It's days like these that outline the sad, sad state humanity is in. The people who attempted to profit from yet another price reset, essentially put their own personal gains ahead the entire community of GW. Which would have lasting negative effects on the game economy, for quite some time. And when everyone's caught up in it, some might say you can't blame others for following suit...

Well, these are the same fundamental flaws that have spurred many deadly riots, mobs, and other such forms of chaos. It's in these brief moments of anarchy that people show their true colors. When the power vacuum has finally been quenched, what are we left with? How many were simply "caught up in the moment"?

I for one, am glad ANet decided to do a roll back, this time around. It's sad, since so many people can't govern their own actions, a higher power must do it for them...

If you disagree with my take on this, please, instead of flaming me for my morale beliefs, tell me, how do you justify your actions?

Thank you for your time

pigdestroyer · Mar 14, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

whatever... wasnt this game about SKILL and other stuff

I dont care about other people getting richer in fact it was cool that maybe some of my hard worker guildies were going to get their FoW.

btw I have fow on my char, before people start complaining...

Cerberus · Mar 14, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

The way i look at it is this.... I didn't have the items b4 the traders went loco and i wont have then after its sorted, so no real lose on my part, tho sure it would have been nice to be able to afford Sup Absorptions for a change lol. Besides if nothing else it livened up the game for an hour or so

SziP · Mar 14, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

Exactly what about half or more are doing. Complaining. Scream at Anet. Scream at Anet some more....

That's about all i see, 'cept for a select few, that have enought sense to not.

Well Anet either makes almost everyone rich. Or they lose a lot of clients by just leaving the game the way it is(or it was). The moment i saw hundreds of players around the rare-material trader and the rune trader , i knew something was wrong.

Retribution X · Mar 14, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Let me clarify that "exploiting" the trader reset wasn't necessarily intentional. We don't mean to paint everyone with a dark brush of evil doing. For some players, perhaps for the vast majority, they saw low prices and bought. I have to say, though, that if I had been in the game and seen those prices, my first thought would have been to check the website and when I didn't see major news about an intended change to the game economy, or an overall financial reset, I would have figured something just wasn't right.

The exploiting wasn't intentional, and it couldn't be an exploit UNTIL Anet said it wasn't supposed to be there.

That's exactly what I did. perhaps great minds DO think alike...

And no, she's not calling people exploiters, we actually didn't know the last reset WAS an exploit until just now, when she said it was.

Most agree on one fact however I believe, that this was a pain in the arse, and we need to check GW website more often!

Akilles · Mar 14, 2006, 01:16 AM // 01:16

I just want to wish congratulations to everybody who owns guild wars cause now everyone will have fissure armors on all their characters. OH and teh incredible wealth you will have, I expect to see LA, Droks, to have like 150 districts.

This is so unfair to the players who worked hard, cant they just take the high end stuff and put that at the average price? and reset the rest? I mean come on, Superior Vigor, Monk Runes, Superior Absorb, Ecto, Shards, Rubys and Saphires, and black dyes I wish they would reset others and put prices back to the average prices. Damage has been done though.

They should view the logs and see who bought gobs of stuff and take it all back and return the gold spent.

Transluecent51 · Mar 14, 2006, 01:16 AM // 01:16

Gaile, I wanna know why you have to come forward to tell us sorry and its getting fixed. We all know you didnt screw with the merchant system but you have to seem like the bad person in all this. I wanna see the programmers or admins, whoever maintains these things and keeps them in check to come forward. As so many people have said like SziP, their not really mad about losing the things they paid almost nothing for, their angry because of the things they dont deserve to lose: items, fame, xp...w/e. Its really unfair we get shot in the behind for the Anet programmers screw ups or whoever is supposed to keep their eye on this sorta stuff so it dosnt happen. In all thankz Gaile for keeping us up to date.

KurtTheBehemoth · Mar 14, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

This is the first time I have dealt with a rollback. I'm scared all my money will be gone. I hope Area Net is gentle with my Wammo.

VampiricuS · Mar 14, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

i happened to be at LA dis 1 when this all happened and I must say, it was quite the scene. I have to also mention that I am very happy that I was not doing one of the following:

-In a gvg match (if we were on our way to a win, we would be screwed, especially if our luck ran out on a do-over)

-Running the Tombs and had a Bulwark sitting in front of me then all of the sudden "poof" you lay dead on the floor (and not because you died from enemies)

-Finished a hard mission like thunderhead where monks are slim to nil to find.

So im not bitching here, im just concerned about the people who were less fortunate, yikes......

Maybe Anet will REMOVE the nerfed ettin hunting as a consolation prize :P

yslee · Mar 14, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Let me clarify that "exploiting" the trader reset wasn't necessarily intentional. We don't mean to paint everyone with a dark brush of evil doing. For some players, perhaps for the vast majority, they saw low prices and bought. I have to say, though, that if I had been in the game and seen those prices, my first thought would have been to check the website and when I didn't see major news about an intended change to the game economy, or an overall financial reset, I would have figured something just wasn't right.

It's human nature to react impulsively to "opportunities" like the trader glitch presented. It's noble to report them, which is what some players did, and we're grateful for that. Had we had earlier reports, we might have prevented the need for a reset, but by the time we learned of the situation, we were forced to do the roll-back.

Several months ago we had a much smaller-scale incident, but the numbers were low and the gains relatively minimal. We did not do a roll-back, thinking that it would be a kindness to avoid a roll-back when so few had exploited and when the damage to the economy was so small. This time we did not have the luxury of that same decision.

Thanks again for understanding the need, and for supporting the roll-back.

Gaile, can you please explain to us then, what's the difference between the Great Price Reset of August 2005 and this? Then things were MUCH more expensive (I recall getting my eles MINOR Fire Magic Rune for 1 plat), and thus the chance for profit were MUCH greater. Not to mention the high prices then meant people could get a lot more money from selling items, and that the reset actually allowed them to buy a whole lot more stuff then they would otherwise have.

Misz_Piggie · Mar 14, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

i lost my 15^50 chaos axe.

im litterly crying right now.

Across The Battle · Mar 14, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

Well, although Im not happy with the rollback, heres the arguement. People, which was common, logged on to buy up stuff(I was in Droks 20 US, I can imagine there was more)

Buying it at 250 gold then sitting on it and waiting for it to go back up to say..3k..giving them a 2750 profit. If they bought say...30 of them,(I managed to get 60 in about 5 or so min) they made 82500 Gold PROFIT.

Using the 20 districts of droks alone assuming there were 100 people in there thats 20*100*82500 = 165 000 000 Gold Any basic economics student knows, realeasing a TON of money into an economy like that will cause it to crash(see great depression)

A guildie told me he got about 500 rubies shards and sapphires. Do that math.
I can imagine there were plenty like him.

Granted I wouldnt have minded making that huge profit and getting sexy armor, but it happens I geuss....Im more angry about the questing and missions I lost...

DevilStick · Mar 14, 2006, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by yslee

Thing is, I think they realised they couldn't fix it. Again, from what I hear, the prices of the affected items were stuck at 250g despite heavy trading. The prices of some items in the last reset went up within an hour, but this time they didn't. I'm thinking the glitch in the server probably broke the traders so bad, that no matter what happened, they'd continue to sell the items at 250g.

The traders eventually ran out. So I hear.

So, it wasn't completely unending, but understand your point.

I just hope all fifteen of my HoD swords in my HoD sword colelction are there when it's all said and done. Right, Anet?

Kailin Aer · Mar 14, 2006, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

8:30PST

OMG!

Thats 11:30 EST ??

Im posting in our guild forum as all the best GW forums (including this one of course) are a bit unstable due to traffic and we have members having trouble accesing

Orbberius · Mar 14, 2006, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by Glob of Noobloplasm

there, now youre right.

You realize and comprehend that Anet are resetting the game to before the glitch, right?

96TSi · Mar 14, 2006, 01:20 AM // 01:20

find a better speech before you start preaching...

i doubt anyone in game who knew about the trader prices didnt go buy something to benifit their character.

if you say you didnt i laugh and call you a liar.