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sdliddo · Mar 08, 2006, 03:29 PM // 15:29

I firmly believe that many are okay to happy about having 2 extra character slots. Some will be unhappy because they don't get more than 2 slots.

Honestly. Isn't the ones dissatisfied sound more and more like little children trying to EAT the whole cake rather than the piece they were given? I for now, am happy simply because 2 slots is far far far better than 1.

Most of those that complain simply want 4 slots because they want to have more characters to play with because they got the time to do so. I agree -- almost -- with their arguements. Only thing that gets me is that its their only recurring reason for not buying FACTIONS.

Duh.

I am sure ANET did its best to try to satisfy everyone without unduly comprimising their own profit margins and all that. People simply want more and more for the simple reason that they want more.

Understandable but obviously out of place.

They're offeirng the game for free without monthly fees and all that and still be able to enjoy the same kind of content as anything WoW has. Don't tell me that anyone was unhappy with the GvG and all that stuff. Everyone enjoyed the old game and I am sure they will as well when the new one comes out.

Must it be simply spoiled by the fact that others simply want more slots? Those that integrate the two games get more content and that in my opinion is the selling point of combining the two games.

Mosch · Mar 08, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Nightwish

Asking for more or "i need it" does not make your argument any better. I can think of countless of stuff that I need too but you dont see me going around demanding extra burger for my McD meal.

Wow...I just declared that I'm easily content with less than 8 characters, now you are going to mock me too, arent you?

No, if you are content with any number of character slots, I say go for it. There is no reason to mock you for that. But saying that you don't need something and so nobody should get it deserves a little mocking, don't you think?

And by the way, my arguments are a little more than "I need it". I said that I can see no reason for ANet to deny us two character slots. How about you buy a meal at McDonald and also take a beverage. However, if you want to drink your beverage together with your meal you can only drink half of it while still paying the same price. And then you think "What a lucky git I am - look at those people who have no meal, but a full beverage!"

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

Would you rather get 8 half burgers or 6 full burgers?

And arguing that 8 full burgers wouldnt lose the company a lot of money is retarded. Thats what everyone so far has said. It has only been justified with I need it.

The burgers would probably cost more than the server space

Oh, and your half burger thing is stupid as the whole calculation that ANet has given makes NO FREAKING SENSE.

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

Oh, and there will be around 12 million characters just from current accts with factions implemented. 6 slots each adds up to a lot of money.

Two. The four other ones haven been there before.

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

The only reason they can afford no monthly fee is because they are the freaking gods that made battle.net and gw uses almost no bandwidth.

Ah yes.

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

All they have to pay for is server space, which is quite expencive. If you really want 8 slots, first go see how much it would cost to host 4 million+ more characters. I would assume 5MB per character to be fair. It does hold all the skills it has unlocked and a lot of other things.

Post that number, quote it 100 times.

Let's make a calculation here.....
First of all skills. Let's just assume that skills are a string of bits that just determine if the skill has been learned - basically, you will only need 1 and 0.
So, let us say each character can have 1024 skills in Factions, that would be 1kilobit data for skills. Hey, let's just assume it is actually eight times more and say it's a kilobyte.
Add to that the class, looks etc that will all be referenced from a central database. Let's assume this information takes up, oh, 50 kilobyte. Remember, not everything will be saved as character data, that would be stupid and redundant.
Items will surely be referenced from another databank. Let's assume we need 1 kilobyte as a unique reference to that item. A character can carry 55 items (I am also counting the bags as an item, also the armour and weapons) which would amount to 55 kilobyte.
Then there is quest information for that character - that will take up a lot of space. I don't know how many quests there are, but let's say we need 500 kilobyte to store information about the current quest status.

If my estimations are anywhere near correct, the actual vital data about a character will probably not exceed 2MB and I already tried to exxagerate the figures. Let's add another MB per Account for the global unlocks.
I would estimate the investment in such a hard drive plus back-ups to not exceed 6000$. That is a minor, laughably small cost for such a firm. (Note: This fictional hard drive also stores all Prophecies characters - in fact, it should be able to store all characters.)

There, I tried. And once again, all my numbers are completely theoretical. I don't know how ANet stores data nor do I need to know. I know that all arguments against more slots are "I don't need them".

sdliddo · Mar 08, 2006, 03:38 PM // 15:38

Oh BTW: hard drive space? DUH... im sure anet does multiple backups of that self same information.... i think that will cost money. Not to mention the fact they gotta pay the bills and the rent and the programmers and the staff and all that.

Try to take that into account too people.

SilentAssassin · Mar 08, 2006, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

You have to think of the precedence. That's why I advocate giving away bonus slots with Collector's Editions. The hard core fans will be happy, but those that are happy with the game as is, won't have to spend the extra $20 on a slot.

I agree with you there, if they give the option for 1xtra slot for collectors edition you can delete all my other posts.

Gargle Blaster · Mar 08, 2006, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

ALL THE *EXPERTS* WITH NO EXPERIENCE IN A DYNAMIC ONLINE GAME (YOU QUALIFY HANDSOMELY FOR COMPARING A STATIC DATABASE TO GW)

...your words prove that you don’t know what you are talking about. -data in a database is dynamic not static.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

ARE FORGETTING THE *MULTIPLE * ON THE FLY
BACKUPS AT NO MORE THAN 15 (OR LESS) MINUTE INTERVALS

NOT TO MENTION THE HARD OFFSITE BACKUPS OF EVERYTHING AT LEAST ONCE PER 24 HOURS.

No i'm not... as small amounts of data to backup are not difficult to backup.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

IF NO EXPENCE IS INVOLVED IN ALL THAT BY ADDING 2 SLOTS THAN THEY ARE MAKING A SMALL GROUP UNHAPPY FOR NO REASON AT ALL.

1. There is no way to quantify the amount of unhappy people there are over the lack of skill slots. I would guess it is no "small group", or rather a large group... read this thread please!!!

2. Yes, exactly -you see my point... there is no reason not to have more slots.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

MY BET IS THEY HAVE A REASON BUT THEY SIMPLY (FOR GOOD BUSINESS REASONS) ARE NOT BLABBING IT

No, it is not good business to have no reason.

Look I am not rippin on guild wars- I think it’s a great game and anet has been doing a great job with the game updates... --I am angry that I can't play all of the primary professions. (There are also other valid points already stated in this thread for receiving 4 slots per chapter)

Loviatar · Mar 08, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Gargle Blaster

...your words prove that you don’t know what you are talking about. -data in a database is dynamic not static.

to make it simple for you

data at file planet sits there except for new material added or deleted. it is static not changing every time someone downloads from the site.

with GW your data is changing constantly instead of sitting there.

no matter how many people are downloading from fileplanet the data being downloaded DOES NOT CHANGE WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING IT THERE FOR DOWNLOAD

file planet can have once a week backups and not lose much if the site crashes.

how would you lke to lose a week of GW work?

Kool Pajamas · Mar 08, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

We should have a base of 7 slots (one for each core profession and a pvp slot) and have additional slots for each new profession in each chapter giving 9 for GW and GW:Factions.

Lasher Dragon · Mar 08, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Hodor

Considering a 500Gb disk can store more than 500 billion bytes (that's British billions, A million million, not 1000 million like the rest of the world uses); a byte being the general equivalent of one ascii character, data storage is a minor issue.

Fixed that for ya.

Wrath Of Dragons · Mar 08, 2006, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

We should have a base of 7 slots (one for each core profession and a pvp slot) and have additional slots for each new profession in each chapter giving 9 for GW and GW:Factions.

yes! for those of us who play this game a .."lot" it is really nice to be able to try out new charachter types.
/sigh

Loviatar · Mar 08, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Hodor

Considering a 500Gb disk can store more than 500 billion bytes (that's real billions, 1000 million, not American 100 million); a byte being the general equivalent of one ascii character, data storage is a minor issue.

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when you start with something so far off it makes you disregard the rest .

a 500 GB disk will not hold more than 500GB

ACTUALLY LESS NOT MORE CONSIDERING NECESSARY FORMATTING TO PLACE AND RETREIVE THE DATA.

my 250 GB hard drives have considerably less than 250 GB of actual usable space due to that.

and as an American i can say that i (and we) have always considered a billion to be 10x 100 million

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Gargle Blaster · Mar 08, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

to make it simple for you

data at file planet sits there except for new material added or deleted. it is static not changing every time someone downloads from the site.

with GW your data is changing constantly instead of sitting there.

no matter how many people are downloading from fileplanet the data being downloaded DOES NOT CHANGE WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING IT THERE FOR DOWNLOAD

file planet can have once a week backups and not lose much if the site crashes.

how would you lke to lose a week of GW work?

--data does not take up more space if it is dynamic or static.

Gargle Blaster · Mar 08, 2006, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

when you start with something so far off it makes you disregard the rest .

there are 1024 bits to the byte which seems to be a worldwide standard

No there are 8 bits to a byte... get your facts right... look it up on google...here is the link

frickett · Mar 08, 2006, 05:54 PM // 17:54

I paid for Prophecies, with 4 slots. Check
I will pay for Factions with 4 slots. Check
I will link my accounts and have 6 slots. Hey wait a minute!
Again, I will be linking, I am more a pve player than pvp, and i want Ciandra to go to cantha. But the math hurts my head, Matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but 4+4=6.

Mandy Memory · Mar 08, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by frickett

I paid for Prophecies, with 4 slots. Check
I will pay for Factions with 4 slots. Check
I will link my accounts and have 6 slots. Hey wait a minute!
Again, I will be linking, I am more a pve player than pvp, and i want Ciandra to go to cantha. But the math hurts my head, Matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but 4+4=6.

Linking the 2 accts gets you more stuff...your math is flawed.

FrogDevourer · Mar 08, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Like the old UAS discussion or most nerf arguments, this thread brings a very interesting contribution to the forum: it demonstrates why it's pointless to argue with stubborn people who can't think straight. Barring a handful of well thought arguments and posts (from both sides), this discussion is a pile of yak poop: flawed logic, addressing wrong issues, bickering on minor or irrelevant facts, confusion between opinions and facts, direct attacks, and now argumentum ad nauseam by rehashing the same arguments over and over. Go to page one, the loop is complete.

The deal is clear: you can trade off 2 slots for the ability to play in Cantha with old Tyria characters. Your choice. Happy? Not happy? Either way, I don't care. Loviatar's poll numbers explain why ANet doesn't care either.

For the records, the questions that should be addressed are:
- in a perfect world, should we increase the number of slots (with or without factions)? why? why not?
- how many character slots should we have? why?
- more slots: would it have a significant impact on the ingame environment? how and why?
- more slots: would it have a significant impact on ANet's monthly costs? How?
- more slots: would it have a significant impact on GW sales? or more precisely: is ANet's business model exploiting the character slot limit?

Each of these questions can be addressed with a handful of relevant arguments (and counter arguments). Try to reread this thread and to find them. It's not that hard, really.

Loviatar · Mar 08, 2006, 06:28 PM // 18:28

[QUOTE=Gargle Blaster]No there are 8 bits to a byte... get your facts right... look it up on googleQUOTE]

my bad for typing ahead of thought

1024 bytes to the KBYTE so a 500 GB disc which used standard 1000 comes out shorter each time sizes jump in capacity

minus the required formatting space as well

which results in endless questions of why does my 500GB drive only show as 450 GB? (450 is example not actual)

frickett · Mar 08, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31

My math is not flawed, 4+4 is supposed to be 8.
Frog devourer is right however, and Im planning on 'sacrificing' 2 of my slots to take Ciandra to Cantha. It is worth it for me. It might not be for some people, because they are paying $100 for 8 slots, and only getting 6. I can understand their frustration.
And, Mandy, you mentioned that with linking i would get more stuff. What exactly would be the "more stuff" i am getting? Please include stuff that will not be available for people who do not link. I do believe that everything on cantha will be open to them as well.

Eugaet · Mar 08, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by frickett

Matter can neither be created nor destroyed...

Heh, now we're confusing matter with data...

I'll admit I'm the kind of player who doesn't want to play all the professions. Some of them just don't appeal to me, so I'm OK with the 2 extra char slots. I realize that others want to play all the professions and feel limited by the char slots.

But the whole math thing. Think of GW = Prophecies + Factions = 100% available content. Now you have a choice. Do you want 8 slots with access to only 50% of the content or 6 slots with access to 100%? I know, I know...you want 8 slots with access to 100% content. But that was never promised and is outside the current realm of possibilities (well, ANet could possibly change the code to allow more than 6 linked, but unlikely at this late stage)...it's not an option and never was. But feel free to complain about it, because, hey, it might make a difference. Then again it might not. But you have the right to complain about whatever you want.

Personally, I feel limited by 8 skill slots. I'm going to petition ANet to give me 16 skill slots because I want ANet to make their game my way. If I don't get 16 skill slots in Factions, I ain't buying it.

This whole argument, IMHO, is much ado about nothing. But others disagree. And that's your right.

On a side note, if ANet did give 4 slots to combined accounts for every chapter...could you imagine what the character select screen would look like? That'd be one heck of a crowd...

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Originally Posted by FrogDevourer

...this thread brings a very interesting contribution to the forum: it demonstrates why it's pointless to argue with stubborn people who can't think straight...this discussion is a pile of yak poop...

Quoted for truth.

LadyTheif · Mar 08, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45

6 new slots sounds good, I play 3 always and one for PvP and the new one then 2 new chars, maybe I will only try one out for fun. so thats 2 more 2 slots for PvP open then.

frickett · Mar 08, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45

I wasn't confusing matter with data, I was being witty about the whole elastic math thing. But thanks for responding. I Dont feel quite so limited by the slots right now. I am only playing through for my second time. So as of now it doesnt bother me much.