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Hanok Odbrook · Mar 02, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by kaya

ok, so call it what you want :

If it's a better bargain, then why do you still want more?

Your grandpa gives you a "better bargain: for his horse then any other horse on the market, and you still complain that your not getting his saddle also?

Hence i say "looking a gift horse in the mouth"

Let me ask you this - if a horse cannot be ridden, is it then really such a bargain?

If Anet says, "We hear you - we think it's in everyone's best interest that we sell a code key to increase the number of slots/storage in your accounts as a separate add on from the chapters." I would then go out and buy the saddle.

Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
Truth * Knowledge * Peace

Gli · Mar 02, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by kaya

If it's a better bargain, then why do you still want more?

Speaking for myself, I'm not looking for a bargain. I vastly prefer paying top dollar (euros really in my case) for something that suits me perfectly before paying a low price for something not quite there. (Within reasonable bounds of course.) Playing GW was a cheap gaming year for me, I'll grant you that.

kaya · Mar 02, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Gli

Speaking for myself, I'm not looking for a bargain. I vastly prefer paying top dollar (euros really in my case) for something that suits me perfectly before paying a low price for something not quite there. (Within reasonable bounds of course.) Playing GW was a cheap gaming year for me, I'll grant you that.

ya, every man (or woman) has his opinion. I would also pay top dollar for high end gaming. I just saw guild wars as high end gaming, and have been grateful i didnt have to pay up the ying yang for it.

and... Hanok Odbrook... if asking a-net to sell extra character slots is the argument, then i would agree. I think if they're capable of doing it, then it would be a great idea. That's a lot different that asking for them for free. I guess i figured you wanted something different when you shot me down for saying most people here are looking a gift hourse in the mouth.

The Mask · Mar 02, 2006, 05:47 PM // 17:47

*click chsss* This is home base to strike team, over

*click chsss* Strike team. go ahead

*click chsss* Cancel operation nuke-all. Arenanet has confirmed 2 extra character slots, over

*click chsss* copy that. Request confirmation: Cancel operations nuke all, stink-bomb, puke-flood, dirty-diaper, nuclear-nova and angry-phone-call, over

*click chsss* That is a positive. Cancel all operations and switch to stand-by.

*click chsss* copy that. Standing by

Hanok Odbrook · Mar 02, 2006, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by kaya

your the one that called it a bargain, not me.

Well, let me put it this way:

I love my grandpa to death - that's a really good horse he bred and the price is more than right. However, it still doesn't quite meet my needs, but I can work with what it has.

Now, before I buy that horse from grandpa, I hear that some guy in the next town is raising a horse of similar standards, and when it's mature, he plans on selling it for as much as grandpa is selling his horse, or perhaps for a small amount more. Difference is, that guy will be throwing the saddle in for no extra charage.

Sorry gramps, I still love ya, but that other horse will suit my needs better, and I can really wait until the time that other horse is ready to be bought. Now if you want to get ahead of the game, and throw in that saddle for free, or even for a few bucks more, then we got ourselves a deal.

That's really all I am saying.

Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
Truth * Knowledge * Peace

kaya · Mar 02, 2006, 05:58 PM // 17:58

i guess if there are other horses around that you'd rather have. I havnt seen anything compairable. but at the same time i doubt a-net is gonna drop the ball just cause somebody uses that tactic on them. "i'll go somewhere else if you dont do this" ?? it's just my opinion, but that probably wont get them to budge.

Cirian · Mar 02, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

I like to focus on just a few serious characters, and I think 4 is my happy limit. At the moment I'm only using 3 slots... my necromancer, ranger and mesmer. I have a slot free for PvP that I'll use for a ritualist.

By linking Factions I'll have 2 extra slots to for a PvP slot and a testing slot for the training grounds, or just messing around with the character builder

Hanok Odbrook · Mar 02, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by kaya

i guess if there are other horses around that you'd rather have. I havnt seen anything compairable. but at the same time i doubt a-net is gonna drop the ball just cause somebody uses that tactic on them. "i'll go somewhere else if you dont do this" ?? it's just my opinion, but that probably wont get them to budge.

Well, I even said before, that right now GW is the only fish in this particular pond. If anyone thinks that will always be the case, they are wrong. I know Sony, or one of the other devs already has a sub-free MMO in development with a planned release in 2007, last I heard. On on the contrary, Anet will not drop the ball because of that looming competition. I make a living in Retail, I seen companies come and go exactly because they did not listen to their customers and someone else offered what they did not. That's not hardball - that's basic consumerism.

Let's pose this question - if Anet and Sony both developed GW exactly the same, but Sony offered more storage and character options with their version, who do you think would have had the most sales?

If Anet somewhere along the lines offers more character slots for free. That indeed would be what I consider to be a gift, as enough slots for each prime was not part of the promise when the game was developed. It certainly was stated as a possible future update, but we all knew going in that it wasn't part of that original cost.

Now that we've had some play time under our belts, we are simply expressing what our desires are to increase the fun factor of GW, which is something all of us dedicated players have been doing all along. Some suggestions have been implemented, others have not. This is simply one more to add to the pile, that many of us dedicated Gwers believe will improve the game for the future and keep well ahead of any competition that may come along.

Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
Truth * Knowledge * Peace

wsmcasey · Mar 02, 2006, 06:28 PM // 18:28

/runs to get fire hose.

Mordakai · Mar 02, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Hanok Odbrook

Let's pose this question - if Anet and Sony both developed GW exactly the same, but Sony offered more storage and character options with their version, who do you think would have had the most sales?

Anet. Everyone knows whatever Sony touches turns to crap.

They're giving away Everquest now. You couldn't pay me to play it.

Star Wars: Galaxies managed to destroy it's base and turn off new players with it's ridiculous reboot that actually made the game worse.

Matrix Online: Need I say more? Did anyone even play this?

Planetside: Well, the good news is apparently you can play this baby subscription free for a year. The bad news is, I've never even heard of this Space MMORPG.

Now let's look at NCSoft (since comparing Anet to Sony is unfair):

Guild Wars: over 1 million players and counting

City of Heroes/City of Villians: The only Superhero MMORPG currently out there. Nice niche.

AutoAssault: Had the pleasure of playing the Beta a little. Wouldn't buy it myself, but a nice little game if you enjoy driving cars and shooting things.

Tabula Rasa: Now, this isn't out yet, but it sounds interesting: A MMORPG shooter produced by "Lord British" Garriott.

If NCSoft would charge a flat fee and let you play any of these games, I think they could rival WoW in subscribers.

(Oh yeah, I left off Lineage II. Have no idea how it's doing...)

Loviatar · Mar 02, 2006, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by Hanok Odbrook

Let's pose this question - if Anet and Sony both developed GW exactly the same, but Sony offered more storage and character options with their version, who do you think would have had the most sales?

this is not gasoline or even flammable

i read that the streaming technology was an NCsoft exclusive so unless Sony has a non infringing equivalent they have a small disadvantage.

most importantly do you doubt for a moment that if/when Sony actually does come out with an equivalent game that NCsoft wont say something to the effect of

*i will match that offer and throw in incentive x*

competition wins for all of us

Rayea · Mar 02, 2006, 07:09 PM // 19:09

well how many times has someone said,
'oh this is the item, heres its price on the net, can you match it, or better it, cause if you can, i will buy from you rahter than off the net?'

i get that all the time at work, and i guess that might be what mr odbrook is trying to get across.

personaly, i would like to know more about this linking process...do i still have to get a chap1 charater accended to transfer them if i link?
will i still have to finish a special quest to move a chap2 charater to the prophecies areas?
if i DO NOT link, will i have no way of connecting the two areas together, ether at a later dat, or if they choose to alow un-linked games to at least, on machines that have BOTH versions installed, the quest type way to access the other sided content?
how about chapter3? will i have to do somehthing similar to accention to get THEM to move past chap2 to chap3?

if we acept that there would only be 2 slots extra to EVERY linked chapter from now on, and only 2 classess per add on, what if they suddenly gave us 3 new classes, would they then give us still 2 slots?

and another thing....why not alow players to purchase cd keys online, without the farting about of buying boxes and cd's? (or have they got this and i dont know about it?)

Mordakai · Mar 02, 2006, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by Rayea

personaly, i would like to know more about this linking process...do i still have to get a chap1 charater accended to transfer them if i link?
will i still have to finish a special quest to move a chap2 charater to the prophecies areas?
if i DO NOT link, will i have no way of connecting the two areas together, ether at a later dat, or if they choose to alow un-linked games to at least, on machines that have BOTH versions installed, the quest type way to access the other sided content?
how about chapter3? will i have to do somehthing similar to accention to get THEM to move past chap2 to chap3?

Well, no one knows for sure, but from what I understand as long as your Chapter 1 characters have access to Lion's Arch, they should be able to sail to Cantha. (There might be a quest involved, who knows?)

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Originally Posted by Rayea

if we acept that there would only be 2 slots extra to EVERY linked chapter from now on, and only 2 classess per add on, what if they suddenly gave us 3 new classes, would they then give us still 2 slots?

I doubt they will release 3 classes in one expansion. If anything, I expect the opposite to happen: Less new classes as the expansions roll on (how many new professions can there possibly be?), and more Slots to compensate. Again, though, pure conjecture.

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Originally Posted by Rayea

and another thing....why not alow players to purchase cd keys online, without the farting about of buying boxes and cd's? (or have they got this and i dont know about it?)

We'll see, but NCSoft already has this system in place. Seems moronic not to use it for Guild Wars...

Rayea · Mar 02, 2006, 07:20 PM // 19:20

no, mordeki, i read they said...

for a chapter one character to pass to any future expansion, they MUST be accended...

i think it even says it in the factions faq...

*cries*

Loviatar · Mar 02, 2006, 07:21 PM // 19:21

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Originally Posted by Rayea

and another thing....why not alow players to purchase cd keys online, without the farting about of buying boxes and cd's? (or have they got this and i dont know about it?)

[QUOTE]Where can I purchase Guild Wars?

Guild Wars is available at your favorite retail location, a list of which is available on this link. You will be able to acquire subsequent chapters for Guild Wars via retail stores or direct download.[/QUOTE]

Renegade ++RIP++ · Mar 02, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

cd keys for sale are available rayea, i just didn't consider them because the cost compared with a boxed version was 30 - 40% more and I have the patience to await the arrival of the box after ordering.

And loviatar, the streaming technology isn't monopolised by NCSoft, many other companies use a comparable form of it. The only thing they have is that there is nobody else with the exact same streaming technology. Example of other people with streaming technology is Valve with their steam technology.

Rayea · Mar 02, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

actually, i meant that, rather than buying a copy, or downloading....
when i already have a cd copy of the game
(replying to lovitar)

and surely, if they take out the price of packaging, cd and all the rest, its perfectly feasable to ether creditcard (for those lucky enought to have one) or simply pay a slightly cheaper fee to a game shop for a leetle plastic card with some silver scratch off panel that had a single game cd code...

they could do the same with slots, and make cash..but if they were worried about so many slots per single account, limit it to no more than 10 when you do not take the expansions into consideration...
therfore...

4 original slots+6 plastic card paid for slots+2 per expansion..= happy a net and happy customers...

i mean, can anyone complain about having up to 10 as a maximum if they so chose to purchace them i mean, so joe bloggs had 10 slots....what he does with them is none of my buisness, be it 10 pvp or 10 pve....or a mix of both....(for those that have interests in both...sometimes, people get attatched for reasons other than class....apart from runescape, i have an anita blake character on all my mmo games, does the slot limits mean i should simply deleat them just to be able to make a wamo to finish the bloody game? course not, its a choice after all, not an order)

Mordakai · Mar 02, 2006, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by Rayea

no, mordeki, i read they said...

for a chapter one character to pass to any future expansion, they MUST be accended...

i think it even says it in the factions faq...

*cries*

We'll see if this is true or not... if so, then I need to hurry up an Ascend my Warrior!

Kakumei · Mar 02, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Rayea

no, mordeki, i read they said...

for a chapter one character to pass to any future expansion, they MUST be accended...

i think it even says it in the factions faq...

*cries*

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Will I be able to take my existing characters in the new areas of the world? Do they keep their items, their levels, etc?

If you purchase Factions, you will be able to travel to the new land, Cantha, with your Ascended characters from Guild Wars (original Prophecies campaign). Inventory items, skills, and other possessions and attainments from Guild Wars remain yours and remain useable within Guild Wars Factions.

Aside from the fact that Ascension is a relatively easy and painless process, they also said, before Sorrow's Furnace came out, that -it- was for Ascended characters only. More often than not, when Anet says 'Ascended', they just mean level 20.

Rayea · Mar 02, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

well kakume, i hope to the server gods your right, cause where as some players have no trouble whatsoever managing to accend, im in the LFG group...

even resorted to a notihng but squishes group to see if it would work better since the castes all stay in same group...it does, but im not fast enough yet..but im getting to 10 to 5 mins left and getting deaded, so maybe i just need to shift myself into high gear and keep trying...
(considering that when i took the tanks along, we usually died between 15 and 10 mins left on the clock....and often didnt get even 2 crystals...now i get 2 crystals as standard, unless they get a lucky kill in early and beat me to a pulp...maybe i should use a candycane, assuming they still work hehe)

and i realy hate to even consider paying someone to rum me thru..i havent yet, and i never will...*although friends helping me out is ok, and if i happen to get something nice they need that i dont, well, thats just friendly to give them it...hehe*

im starting to feel like daniel jackson....^^