Curse

NinjaKai · Feb 06, 2006, 12:35 PM // 12:35

Similar situation I had. I was in a group with some low level players. Next thing I know a ton of skeleton mesmers pop up. And they all start complaining abou their energy being stolen, blah, blah, blah. They then start shouting abuse at how I should use my skills on them. At that point I sit back and watch them get their asses kicked. My word of advice to them. Thing is they we're mostly elementalist hence their complaining about energy loss. The moral of this story, piss of the mesmer and they won't do shit to help you. Once we restarted I used a self-preservation build. Same thing happened they died I lived.

The joys of holding a grudge.

BBoy_Manchild · Feb 06, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

i dont give monks a break on anything, if a warrior plays bad or a ranger pulls too many or if an ele uses firestorm they get ragged on, just cause you heal others makes you exempt from being berated?
were supposed to become hypocrites and give monks special treatment?

xxSilhouette · Feb 06, 2006, 01:49 PM // 13:49

/signed

I hate it when people yell at monks beacuse they are low of energy or beacuse they die.

I posted this on a similar thread - I was in the wilds mission and someone decided to go a different way beacuse they thought they could solo (at a level 14) and so we just kept going, about 2 minutes later "MONK I DIED COME REZ ME COME REZ ME" im sorry, but i wasn't about to backtrack and stop heailng the other 4 people in the group beacuse he wanted to solo.

Anraeth · Feb 06, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBoy_Manchild

i dont give monks a break on anything, if a warrior plays bad or a ranger pulls too many or if an ele uses firestorm they get ragged on, just cause you heal others makes you exempt from being berated?
were supposed to become hypocrites and give monks special treatment?

Only if you want them to heal you. But complain all you want.

Ure Maker · Feb 06, 2006, 02:09 PM // 14:09

my input

STFU stop flaming, dissing, etc MONKS until u have made a MONK from pre-sear to completion it isnt all roses!

end RANT

my monk has been thanked many times from a warrior who charges in like usual and iv keep him alive (barely)

Former Ruling · Feb 06, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

My Story. I only monk as a Boon Bonder in the Random Arena. That is..bond everyone..and spam RoF under Boon.

Anyway..First match, We never even get damaged good, and a guy says "great healing monk". I think this is pretty good.

Next Game, we face a hammer Warrior and one of those hammer rangers w/ pet thats popular now, we fight..they kill my team except for me and this other dude, and I'm doing all I can do just to stay alive inbetween being Knocked down and getting space inbetween me and the hammers. Like 10-20 secs after this, same guy from last game (who is dead now) says "No Rez?..Noob Monk" and leaves.

>_> Sorry for being knocked down every 5 secs.

Unkemptwolf · Feb 06, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

I was in thirsty river as a monk once. We had a necromancer as the team leader, and we were in the process of attacking one of the last groups(not the last group, it was number 5 i think). The clock is approaching a two minute interval (it was at 5:35, i think), and there were only two enemies left, the boss and the priest, and everyone was attacking the boss. I called the priest as a target (since the entire team was about to res if we didnt kill him), we killed the priest and then finished off the boss and I thought everything was fine... until the leader started berating me, talking about how this was HER team and only SHE was supposed to call targets (no one had said anything about this before or during the mission, and other people had been calling targets), and I needed to "quit being such a n00b" and "learn my place, monk."

I was getting ready to go find another team (as a level 20 monk in thirsty river, it takes all of about 10 seconds) and leave them to rot, until all the other party members rush to my defense, and told her that I was right and she needed to keep her mouth shut.

My point is, that some people never appreciate a monk (even when they are right, while some people understand that a monk is essential to finishing the mission (even when its 5/6 of the way done). It made me all warm and fuzzy inside.

FalconDance · Feb 06, 2006, 03:20 PM // 15:20

Even before I had a monk, I *tried* to keep in mind the idea that healers had a rought job....

Now I have a healer poised for the Fire Islands. I've taken to doing the missions accompanied by another trusted healer friend or two.

I've been in parties with great monks and I've been in with horrid ones. Unfortunately the later seems to be the rule, not the exception. I've had more monks desert a party for no apparent reason (not talking disconnects), verbally abusive in an uncalled for manner, and generally were asses than any other profession.

Why monks would charge for their services is beyond me. They're supposed to be part of the team. Personally, I've not been on the cruel end of nastiness. If a tank or a ranger (there always seems to at least one) rushes ahead on a solo rampage, well, I refuse to leave everyone else to tend to his or her personal vanity. Had that yesterday at THK (I was playing a nec/monk who was back-up healer) with a fem-tank who thought she could take on everyone solo. We healers refused to follow. She died (still think it was really a 14 yr old boy behind the keyboard) outside the fort and didn't dare say anything after it was evident that the rest of us, who had stuck to the original game plan, were doing fine and eventually were victorious.

To all you monks who are pompous, arrogant and holier-than-thou jack-offs, you give us all a bad name. I suppose if that's how you enjoy playing and are actually successful in finding ppl who will put up with your nastiness, then okay. Hopefully, those individuals will simply kick you to the curb where you belong and invite some of the rest of us who try to do our jobs in as pleasant a manner as possible.

All I ask, on behalf of healers everywhere, is that if your healer toggles low on energy (or if you've just finished a hairy battle and can reasonably assume you were healed quite a bit), PLEASE give your healer a time to regen. Sometimes it's hard to remember in the heat of things.

But remember: if your healer has no energy, you have no life.

***My name is Cait Nic Cailleach and I am a Healer***

SaintGreg · Feb 06, 2006, 04:12 PM // 16:12

I played through the game as a monk with my first character. I sucked, but it seemed like I always had good experiences with pugs. About 4 characters later and I played through the game as a monk monk again. Pugs were terrible this time around it seemed like. For example I had a recent Hell's precipice adventure where many of thr group did not follow instructions very well, whether they were dropping winter right in front of a spark of the titans, or running too far ahead of the group. I was effectively the only healer for much of the game, which made it hard when squishies didn't run around when they were taking damage.

Thankfully we did beat it. And thankfully it wasn't even that hard because they did listen somewhat and we had plenty of damage even after losing both warriors. On thunderhead keep we were forming a pug and were going to use the torch tank trick. Before starting the leader spent about 10 minutes going over what everyone needed to do when we got to the keep - ie stay by the king and stay behind the tank, etc. Not only did I find it helpful to talk to the group and make sure people knew what they were doing, it was good that everyone had some rapport before we started so we knew nobody was going to be a jackass or anything. About 45 minutes, two hairy spots, and only two deaths later, we were finished and it was the easiest mission ever. It was really only for an accidental two group aggro that we were even close to dying. After that mission and seeing the party leader do that I never want to do another mission without spending some time before-hand to talk to everyone.

baz777 · Feb 06, 2006, 04:22 PM // 16:22

I can’t remember the last time someone had a go at me in PVE now that I’m in the later stages of the game, (not sure if its because I now am a more accomplished monk or I’m just lucky in joining good friendly groups).

I personally think the main problem stems from the severe lack of monks in PVE. I always advertise myself as being a healer monk and I am usually accepted on that basis. On the very few occasions that I have been asked to change to prot monk I have politely declined and explained that I have never played a prot monk and it would not be beneficial to the group – this has always been accepted.

With regards to changing skills at others request I am more than happy to consider it, (SB in UW2 last week for instance).

Many groups are just happy to get their 2/3 monks and go without worrying if they have 3 heal, 2 heal/1 prot etc…………..

I would much rather a group ask me questions about my build than not, as this would suggest that they have actually put some thought into the formation of the group.

I’m of the opinion that monks generally get proportionally more complements than the other professions. The ‘nice monking’, or ‘thanks’ after rez’ing, is in my experience quite common. Even I must admit to not generally saying ‘well done Mr Warrior for despatching that Hydra so swiftly’, or ‘well done Mr Mes for doing whatever weird stuff you do so efficiently’.

As for arrogance, that unfortunately is not confined to any one profession. In fact I was congratulated by a number of the group for picking up 2 greens at the end of UW2 last weekend when they received none. I have also congratulated team members on receiving good drops, (although I do admit to thinking ‘lucky git’ or similar when this happens, I’m am only human after all).

Unfortunately a bad monk, and I’ve met a few, are much more evident than a good one.

Oraculum · Feb 06, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

I've had 99% good experiences as a primary monk in groups I've joined. Almost always get a "gj monking" or similar. I've been on the receiving end of a very small amount of abuse only once, complaining at me several times, with 0 energy, for not healing him/her. I simply said "I had no energy, you need to let me regen. Quit complaining plz or you'll be healing yourself =]" Did the trick, and he/she was fine after that and said thanks at the end.

bele · Feb 06, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahl

I should honestly make people beg to join my party from now on, just to prove they won't treat me like a doll. I simply won't take people's abuse and never did. I suck? Then I'll sit here and not heal you at all, see how long you survive.

Have myself a 1.2M exp point Monk.

That'd be too sad indeed. You'll find jerks all over the game, but they are a minory and less when the game gets further. Don't punish a whole party for the kiddish behaviour of a stupid.
Many times other members of the party will defend you either, so your'e not alone against a mob of morons.
Don't let the abuse affect you either. Just say "next time no heal for you". Usually the jerk quits after yelling like mad or shuts up.
Then your party can continue the mission

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Shut Your Mouth · Feb 06, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Well after only reading a few of the posts in this thread I can already see the flame factor towards monks. My first character was a ranger and I had my share of bad PvE monks! The guild I was in needed more monk's for PvP so I ran one through the paces and walla I'm a monk. I hav'nt looked back since. It only took a few undesirables in a group to make it quite evident just how bad the Monk gets all the blame for every mistake made by the GROUP! A monk is usually only 20% of the party. There are bad monks out there, and yes some have serious attitude. The same goes for all character classes in this game. I usually find it more productive to actually try to talk to a player that is making the whole group suffer due to lack of experience as opposed to yelling or blaming the player.

I personally think that a monk is the most complex profession to play in GW due to the fact that most professions usually only worry about their target until it or they have died! A monk is worried about every party member and themselves. We have to worry about conditions hexes and health for the entire team and decision making is what determines a good monk and a bad monk. You ,as a monk, will have to make the call to let one player die in order to save the rest of the team. All you can hope for is a competent team to work together and not place blame everytime something goes wrong. It is up to the rest of the team to watch for how much they aggro. Only aggro what you can fight. It's not the monk's fault when you aggro more than the TEAM can handle.

But in defence for both sides yes there are bad monk's out there. Not all of us are bad. If you have no experience playing a monk then you should try it once or twice see how bad it get's when you spam My energy is 15 of 57 and the tank goes Leroy on you.

Buried_Flame · Feb 06, 2006, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Haha no wonder there arnt any monks cuz they do get treated kinda bad. And the problem is only worse cuz there rnt enough ? (thus all the invites)

BBoy_Manchild · Feb 07, 2006, 11:52 AM // 11:52

man, you peeps need to grow some balls, if a monk is playing like crap, tell him, and then give him some constructive criticism on how to improve his build.
if you are just telling the monk he sucks with no follow up you shouldnt really be speaking
monks dont take crap from people, but if someone has some actual good advice listen to them. monks and wars are the 2 classes that really need to know what they are doing to get whatever you need doing.... done

shadowfell · Feb 07, 2006, 01:07 PM // 13:07

Say out of 100 "monks" I have encountered in this game:

40: spam you buy ok 60k ok you need buy ok bots

30: argumentative, always the first one to put your play style down, and call you a nub, and marveously so, while being a bit unprepared his self, spamming for br or bip. I put the leavers in this category.

20: the magical "healing" monk who amazingly starts with 400 health or so, and evolves into the the more common 55 monk mid FoW run to screw you for one shard.. this has happened so many times I refuse to go to ToA without a guild monk now.

10: really nice people who are able to do their part of the tasks, and who understands everything doesn't always go according to plan and that shit happens. some of my best in game buddies are monks.

This applies to all professions and you're going to find your idiots in all reaches of the game. The mm who can't seem to maintain more than 3 bones at at time, the warrior who only equips running skills for a fight..etc.

It comes down to learning to see the bad percentiles in every profession and avoid them, either they get it together, or they don't. Creme rises to the top and crud falls to the bottom. Just like life.

akruan · Feb 07, 2006, 01:09 PM // 13:09

I've been a monk for over 700 hours, I loved healing and helping people but since I read this post about people talking crap about monks. I'm gonna screw everybody from now on and start smiting!!!! ty, ty very much.

The New Guy · Feb 07, 2006, 04:14 PM // 16:14

I was playing my MO/NE in Tombs UW yesterday with a Barrage/Pet Group. Being the only MO in the group it was kinda tough if you had a bad MM and a Barrager who doesn't know when to back up if he/she is taking too much damage. When we reached the last level in Tombs UW, before we reached the Darkeness, this particular Barrager kept dying. As in like 2 hits and he/she is dead. He then started bi---in' and asked me if I was a healing MO. I told him, Dude! I've been healing this group since level 1. What the hell do you think?! Then he said, well I don't think you're a healing MO. All hell broke loose after hearing that! To make things better, I stopped healing and ressurecting him! The first time that he died after our conversartion he asked me again, ARE YOU A HEALER?? To w/c my reply, Yes I am. But I'm not your Healer! He stopped bit--in' after that and asks our MM to rez him everytime he dies.

The thing that most people doesn't understand is that just because you have a healer in your party doesn't mean you're not gonna die the whole time. IF other players in your party would just do their job right, then we Healers wouldn't have a problem doing our part.

Pete1975 · Feb 07, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

I have a monk she is quite experienced now a modest 2M XP or so, all 2M from quests and missions, No solo farming etc on this one. I must admit when i was bringing her through the game I got a fair bit of stick when people died and the "My energy is 0 of 49" message that was repeated numerous times in Team chat evidently meant that everyone could attack everything and I would save them.

When bored I take her to some of the harder missions and help people out just for the hell of it, and again if someone dies it's all my fault, not matter how many times I have saved people from multiple bad pulls etc. People that mouth off at you in Team chat are usually kids, and to be honest I don't give a crap what some kid thinks of me. Is the word "noob" really that insulting??? I have found the line of thought "People that use the word noob as a serious insult are idiots" to be quite acurate.

The fact is folks people are not born with with the knowledge of how to play Guildwars so they have to learn, just as the lvl 20 warrior that ran you through the Great Northern Wall mission when you didn't have a clue what was going one as a confused lvl 2 had to learn too. I'm pretty sure most people's first words were "mum" and not Prot Bonder looking for serious FoW group etc etc

Xonic · Feb 07, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

henchies ftw