Curse

Borak Bloodbane · Jul 15, 2005, 01:32 PM // 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by EverBlue

Well, I stopped reading around page 3. There's lots to read. I just want to throw in what I think.

It really sounds like people are saying monks are the only people who stand around AFK in Towns and outposts, or go AFK during a mission. I'm sure you don't mean that, but I just wanted to make it clear that everyone else is human. Just like the monks.

And as for the henchmen being better than real monks. Well, that depends on the party in question, now doesn't it? Henchmen do some REALLY stupid things sometimes, and unless you have a good group that can finish a battle with one, or possibly both henchmen dead at a time, henchmen are going to be useless for you.

I played through most of the game with three characters before I realized, "Hey. This game needs more monk players. Why should I complain about all these AFK monks, when I can just go and make my own?" Well, I did just that, and I tell you, it was worth it. Sure, in a group of 8, one person might say you're a n00b and ask where the healing is, but what's the other 6 doing? On several occasions I've had those other 6 jump up and begin defending me. There's only so much healing a monk can do, and if you die, well, I apoligize. I do the best I can.

If I join a group that has no definite leader, I'll most likely take charge, because I've been there. I joined one group in Thirsty River who was REALLY having trouble with the mission. I took control once we got to the first enemy team, and we worked from there. Once we completed the mission, the entire group thanked me for my help. But most of the time I'll be in the back, just healing.

Yes, there ARE some bad monks. I was sitting around Molodunes Mine, looking for a bonus group, and I finally got one together. We had two monks, me and one other. Now for bonus, EVERYONE needs to be infused.. And well, people obviously couldn't read when I said "Need more for bonus. MUST BE INFUSED." The other monk spent more time on the ground then the warrior that wasn't infused. I was the only one keeping the team alive. Of course there was a lot of dead members, but when the remaining warrior is attacking a boss, and needs healing, I really don't have time to res the other members. Of course, we had to go back and try again.. And again. We finally found a monk that could come with us, and we finished bonus easily. Now if you've done this mission, you KNOW you need real monks for bonus, not henchmen. Henchmen aren't infused, now are they?

Henchman have 3 pieces of infused armor so they arent as protected but they have 3/5 of the protection of a PC.

EverBlue · Jul 15, 2005, 01:47 PM // 13:47

But even on that mission? When they shouldn't? Seems a little stupid to have them infused and not you. They should have to work for it, too, damnit!

dinglenut · Jul 15, 2005, 02:57 PM // 14:57

I guess I would be a snobby monk, when i join a group I put up the following rules:

1. Call your targets and communicate.
2. Do not agro what does not need to be agro'ed
3. Do not run off on your own, or run in when a monk calls energy
4. Do not talk bad/bash any members of the party.

Violating any of the above rules results in no healing for you. Constant monk abuse will make me leave the party.

once I started doing that I got nothing but great parties and i've only had to not heal 2 people which were by all aspects complete asses.

So I set my rules and if they choose not to follow them they have concsequences but it makes the party more enjoyable for anyone when the team works as a team.

And for the warrior comment, its just that the game is flooded with 12 year old warrior's who run off. I always make sure to compliment anyone who is doing a great job or an exception job at helping out.

MachineKing · Jul 15, 2005, 03:04 PM // 15:04

those rules dont sound too unreasonable at least thats my opinion. Yes i have seen ppl rush a head and all that. When ppl are doing that kind of thing they have to be sure they can handle whats up ahead which if you have great experience with the area they might be able to but it is still always nice to bring the whole party with ya. Also if you warn your party your going to scout up ahead if you decide too would also be very hrlpful.

EverBlue · Jul 15, 2005, 03:12 PM // 15:12

Psh. Who needs a monk when you can get a bunch of warriors like the Griffen run guy?

Calimar · Jul 15, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Umpf. Good rules, I follow them with the monk char AND the other characters. Still.
monks are so requested that they often start being snobbish. Heard in thirsty river:

"I only work in 3-monk groups." (you noticed you're the only monk in town?)
"Too many mesmers, I quit." (thank you for the vote of confidence)
"ok I'm coming." (left 20 seconds into the mission)
"Yes, I'm a healer monk, but I'm training my secondary mesmer so I'm not healing anyone." (did you realize you're the only monk in the group?)
"No ppl under lev 20, or I quit." (Bye, monk.)
"You want me, pay me 5k." (Here's your sign.)

Know what? We did thirsty river with a me/mk as primary healer. And we did fine. Flexibility, common sense, and being nice to people are all that is requested. Sure... twas hard. Sure... took our resurrection signets and a lot of tactics. But I'd choose that group over 3 monks any day.

Sleazy_D · Jul 15, 2005, 05:42 PM // 17:42

3 monk groups? I'd love them too. I wouldn't get blamed for anything with so many places to throw it around! Why the hell would you need that outside of UW/FoW, and even then I debate the utility of 3 healing/prot monks (smiters are fine).

cookiehoarder · Jul 15, 2005, 06:03 PM // 18:03

I have a monk and I do feel that some of this is...Uncalled for. Some monks are complete assholes-Truth, some are nice-Truth. A few times on my monk I've gotten nasty/snobbish or whatever you call it. A few times I've let party members die because they have directly gone agianst "Don't fallow those guys to closely or you'll mess up the bonus!" or something else I said that would only have benefited the party. The times that I am an ass always...IS when there are tooo many warriors. I was invited by a team (6 W/mos) I accept, immediately said "Eeew, W/mos?" and left. As a ranger being my primary character and receiving "Flames" from warriors all the time (You run like a bitch, You do no damage, etc.) I feel that I must do that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calimar

Umpf. Good rules, I follow them with the monk char AND the other characters. Still.
monks are so requested that they often start being snobbish. Heard in thirsty river:

"I only work in 3-monk groups." (you noticed you're the only monk in town?)
"Too many mesmers, I quit." (thank you for the vote of confidence)
"ok I'm coming." (left 20 seconds into the mission)
"Yes, I'm a healer monk, but I'm training my secondary mesmer so I'm not healing anyone." (did you realize you're the only monk in the group?)
"No ppl under lev 20, or I quit." (Bye, monk.)
"You want me, pay me 5k." (Here's your sign.)

Know what? We did thirsty river with a me/mk as primary healer. And we did fine. Flexibility, common sense, and being nice to people are all that is requested. Sure... twas hard. Sure... took our resurrection signets and a lot of tactics. But I'd choose that group over 3 monks any day.

Too the part in my post above about leaving W/mos. I will also leave parties that are not Balenced. My Idea of a good party is (8 person party), 1 Warrior (We only really need one of these)
1 Mesmer
2 monks
1 ranger
2 elementalists
1 necromancer

Occasionally I'll leave out a Ranger/Mesmer/Necromancer because they do not accept my invite. Sometimes, the party I'm in demands 3 warriors!! Roooarr!!

Shayul · Jul 15, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53

This is my first post in the forum, and I registered just to respond to this thread. Thank you for defending us poor healer monks.

We seriously get so much crap that not even I can believe it, sometimes. They're treated worse than the cleric class was in D&D, and those were just called "heal b*tches" sometimes.

Now for my rant: I'm sick and tired of warriors who, when they die, complain that I am a crappy healer and that I never do anything. I try to convince them that it's hard to heal with 1 out of 50 energy remaining, while also making the observation that if I only had 1 energy left, then I must've been doing something. However, they erect their irrational walls, giving them +20 armor against logic. Seriously guys, how do you think you lived that long? Did you think that A.net felt sorry that you were dying and decided to auto-heal you? I think not. That would be me, working my ass off, trying to keep everyone in the party alive (especially the other monk). So you died anyways? Well, it happens. It usually happens when I have no energy left.

Now for another rant: So my healing monk had finally ascended, and I was extremely proud of him. I got to the Dragon's Lair, and got into a party right away to do the next mission and continue the story. Then, I tell them, "don't go anywhere after the loading screen, I take a long time loading." Sure enough, they proceed right into the first area, without waiting for me. Well, I finally finish loading and I start healing them up, and they just leave the other monk in the dust. So now I'm running forward and healing the wars, and a little ways back healing the monk. Finally, a ranger/necro battling in the front lines dies, and complains that I "don't ------g do anything" and that "I suck." Since when is trying to keep EVERYONE in the party alive nothing?

So people, please be nice to your healing monk, and treat him with a little respect. He's just trying to save your guys' lives, and it would be much easier to do so without all the flaming and complaining. I enjoy being a healing monk immensely, but those experiences just sort of suck the fun out of it for me.

Thanks for reading a rant by a tired-out healer.

P.S: I ended up doing that mission with my "sucky" skills and 7 henchmen with ease on my first try with henchman only.

cookiehoarder · Jul 15, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayul

This is my first post in the forum, and I registered just to respond to this thread. Thank you for defending us poor healer monks.

We seriously get so much crap that not even I can believe it, sometimes. They're treated worse than the cleric class was in D&D, and those were just called "heal b*tches" sometimes.

Now for my rant: I'm sick and tired of warriors who, when they die, complain that I am a crappy healer and that I never do anything. I try to convince them that it's hard to heal with 1 out of 50 energy remaining, while also making the observation that if I only had 1 energy left, then I must've been doing something. However, they erect their irrational walls, giving them +20 armor against logic. Seriously guys, how do you think you lived that long? Did you think that A.net felt sorry that you were dying and decided to auto-heal you? I think not. That would be me, working my ass off, trying to keep everyone in the party alive (especially the other monk). So you died anyways? Well, it happens. It usually happens when I have no energy left.

Now for another rant: So my healing monk had finally ascended, and I was extremely proud of him. I got to the Dragon's Lair, and got into a party right away to do the next mission and continue the story. Then, I tell them, "don't go anywhere after the loading screen, I take a long time loading." Sure enough, they proceed right into the first area, without waiting for me. Well, I finally finish loading and I start healing them up, and they just leave the other monk in the dust. So now I'm running forward and healing the wars, and a little ways back healing the monk. Finally, a ranger/necro battling in the front lines dies, and complains that I "don't ------g do anything" and that "I suck." Since when is trying to keep EVERYONE in the party alive nothing?

So people, please be nice to your healing monk, and treat him with a little respect. He's just trying to save your guys' lives, and it would be much easier to do so without all the flaming and complaining. I enjoy being a healing monk immensely, but those experiences just sort of suck the fun out of it for me.

Thanks for reading a rant by a tired-out healer.

P.S: I ended up doing that mission with my "sucky" skills and 7 henchmen with ease on my first try with henchman only.

Well put. More then often I find myself running back and forth between halves of my party putting up with spams of "HEEEEEEEL ME11111." I also have to put up with retarded warriors or whatever else is in my party running into a large group of monsters we can't possibley beat.

imanixon2 · Nov 19, 2005, 10:03 PM // 22:03

monking sucks, but we do it anyway. We are so darn cute!

Xenrath · Nov 19, 2005, 10:35 PM // 22:35

Monk != God Mode. Not enough people in PvE (at least) realise this, and then they bitch and whine like there's no tomorrow when it doesn't work out like "God Mode On!"

Raz Silverwing · Nov 19, 2005, 10:44 PM // 22:44

I've devoleped a attitude for when I'm playing as a healer monk, I don't take crap from anyone.

I know I am a good monk so if somone gives me trouble in a group I'll give warning and then let them die once, seccond offence they stay dead, third offence I leave

SlayerD · Nov 19, 2005, 11:00 PM // 23:00

[QUOTE=Malchiel]This is why, don't take monk for PvE, seriously. Well except for UW/FoW. Too bad they don't have lvl 20 NPC healers in ToA, otherwise I'd probably prefer that to most monks standing around there too.

Get the henchies.

1) They do a better job than some unknown monk.
2) They will never leave your group.
3) They never whine or bitch
4) They're smarter than most monks
5) They don't have an attitude problem
6) They don't go afk
7) And so on...

I disagree there is a number of monk out there who know what to do for example ME, i only people i dont fight and i stay in the group till the end
i might talk too much but i dont whine so give us monk a break

Sister Rosette · Nov 19, 2005, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malchiel

This is why, don't take monk for PvE, seriously. Well except for UW/FoW. Too bad they don't have lvl 20 NPC healers in ToA, otherwise I'd probably prefer that to most monks standing around there too.

Get the henchies.

1) They do a better job than some unknown monk.
2) They will never leave your group.
3) They never whine or bitch
4) They're smarter than most monks
5) They don't have an attitude problem
6) They don't go afk
7) And so on...

Um, excuse me.
1. Yeah, until their energy runs out due to lack of management.
2. Gee, because monks are the only class that will ever ditch you....
3. So they're better than you too...
4. This goes for pretty much every profession. Some of us are good, some
are not. Learn to deal.
5. Unlike you.
6. See #2
7. ...

Okay, I'm tired of seeing peoeple make Martyrs (ha) out of Monks. If anything
goes wrong, be it the party dies due to the tank running into 3+ mobs, who's
the first to get yelled at? Take a wild stab. This happened to me the other
night, when I decided to do the Ring of Fire missions to collect bonuses. The
tank, I kid you not, aggroed 5 SEPERATE GROUPS OF MURSAAT. On top of it
later we found out he was uninfused. Yeah, but guess what, it was MY fault
he died. The rest of the group then jumped to his side. So I left. I don't take
shit from people online, especially morons.

The people that think monks are snobs probably have never played one, and
think monking is as simple as pushing 1 key and job done. They're broad gener
alizations and I'm sick of them. It's one of the reasons I'm leaving this game
alone until Chapter 2. Monks endure the better half, if not a majority of the
worst harassment and flaming in the game. We're blamed for EVERYTHING.
I've even had Purple Runes out of a Gold Armor blamed on me. No kidding.
So allow me to throw up a few numbered points of my own.

1. We're not gods. Neither are you. Don't assume such.
2. Our energy pool has a peak. It DOES run out. Even with management.
Plan Accordingly
3. WE DO NOT EXIST ON THIS PLANET SIMPLY FOR YOUR USE.
There are other things I can be doing besides Grouping through Hell's
for the millionth time.
4. We can't (read: CAN'T) save you if you get yourself in over your head,
nor should you expect us too.
5. THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE PARTY. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT
ONE OR TWO WHOLE SECONDS TO GET HEALED. Try bringing a self-heal
as well next time.
6. IF YOU DON'T WAIT FOR REGEN THE PARTY WILL DIE. IT IS NOT DUE TO
BAD MONKING, IT IS DUE TO YOU BEING A RETARD AND IGNORING THE NEEDS
OF YOUR PARTY.
7. I'm done...for now.

Shimus DarkRaven · Nov 19, 2005, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

Um, excuse me.
1. Yeah, until their energy runs out due to lack of management.
2. Gee, because monks are the only class that will ever ditch you....
3. So they're better than you too...
4. This goes for pretty much every profession. Some of us are good, some
are not. Learn to deal.
5. Unlike you.
6. See #2
7. ...

Okay, I'm tired of seeing peoeple make Martyrs (ha) out of Monks. If anything
goes wrong, be it the party dies due to the tank running into 3+ mobs, who's
the first to get yelled at? Take a wild stab. This happened to me the other
night, when I decided to do the Ring of Fire missions to collect bonuses. The
tank, I kid you not, aggroed 5 SEPERATE GROUPS OF MURSAAT. On top of it
later we found out he was uninfused. Yeah, but guess what, it was MY fault
he died. The rest of the group then jumped to his side. So I left. I don't take
shit from people online, especially morons.

The people that think monks are snobs probably have never played one, and
think monking is as simple as pushing 1 key and job done. They're broad gener
alizations and I'm sick of them. It's one of the reasons I'm leaving this game
alone until Chapter 2. Monks endure the better half, if not a majority of the
worst harassment and flaming in the game. We're blamed for EVERYTHING.
I've even had Purple Runes out of a Gold Armor blamed on me. No kidding.
So allow me to throw up a few numbered points of my own.

1. We're not gods. Neither are you. Don't assume such.
2. Our energy pool has a peak. It DOES run out. Even with management.
Plan Accordingly
3. WE DO NOT EXIST ON THIS PLANET SIMPLY FOR YOUR USE.
There are other things I can be doing besides Grouping through Hell's
for the millionth time.
4. We can't (read: CAN'T) save you if you get yourself in over your head,
nor should you expect us too.
5. THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE PARTY. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT
ONE OR TWO WHOLE SECONDS TO GET HEALED. Try bringing a self-heal
as well next time.
6. IF YOU DON'T WAIT FOR REGEN THE PARTY WILL DIE. IT IS NOT DUE TO
BAD MONKING, IT IS DUE TO YOU BEING A RETARD AND IGNORING THE NEEDS
OF YOUR PARTY.
7. I'm done...for now.

1.you nailed it.
2. Same
3.same.
4.same.

wait...do you see a trend? I agree tenfold with how you stated things, like usual rosette =)

--The Shim

Mesmerized · Nov 19, 2005, 11:53 PM // 23:53

Quote:

1. We're not gods. Neither are you. Don't assume such.
2. Our energy pool has a peak. It DOES run out. Even with management.
Plan Accordingly
3. WE DO NOT EXIST ON THIS PLANET SIMPLY FOR YOUR USE.
There are other things I can be doing besides Grouping through Hell's
for the millionth time.
4. We can't (read: CAN'T) save you if you get yourself in over your head,
nor should you expect us too.
5. THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE PARTY. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT
ONE OR TWO WHOLE SECONDS TO GET HEALED. Try bringing a self-heal
as well next time.
6. IF YOU DON'T WAIT FOR REGEN THE PARTY WILL DIE. IT IS NOT DUE TO
BAD MONKING, IT IS DUE TO YOU BEING A RETARD AND IGNORING THE NEEDS
OF YOUR PARTY.

I think I'm in love.

Whenever I'm monking, if I get any attitude or hint of an idiotic warrior or any other whiner in the group, I throw in Vengeance, and let them learn their place. The life of the group is in my hands, and I will GLADLY heal the other 6 people, leaving you out. And as someone said before, I have a name, and it's not "monk."

Pyrii · Nov 19, 2005, 11:55 PM // 23:55

I've decided to make a Monk as my second character (3rd if you count my storage character). On my ele I've noticed Human Monks are unreliable, I don't mind them quitting before the mission, but when they accept, push to go intot he mission, then quit at the start or middle without warning leaving us buggered, then monks have given themselves a bad name, I've had this happen in succesion at times and it gives the good monks a bad name.

As for your saying on listening to monks, I had such a case in The Wilds today, I kept pinging the fact I had no energy left and Mr Invincible Warrior still charges on x.x

Anyone here been a Preist on Ragnarok Online?

HEAL PLZ! I GIV ZENY!

The Son Of Morgoth · Nov 20, 2005, 01:02 AM // 01:02

all i can say is whenever a monk or anyone for that matter joins my team i actually treat em with respect since thats what they tell u in kindergarten "treat others how you want to be treated"

Kalt · Nov 20, 2005, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Why are you monks complaining?
You're the first they search for in a coop mission or in Temple of ages, I always have to start my own group when I play with my necro or ranger, unless I want to "LFG, MISSION!" for 2 hours.

Hell, my friend uses a monk and he even asks 2k to join a group in Thunderhead keep and yes people do desperately pay him to join.