Curse

arnansnow · Jul 13, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Is a Pyhrric victory better than beating the mission the first time? Sure the ranger was being a jerk, but you were also being a jerk, and probably increasing his, and maybe even the warriors, ill will to monks, making them less likely to be nicer to monks in the future.

Dahl · Jul 13, 2005, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by Borak Bloodbane

First of all a case like that should have never occured if you determined a party leader before you started the mission. If your ranger asked you to wait and nuke them from afar then you should have a party leader make the decision. The ranger probably wasnt stupid he was just making a suggestion. Sounds like the two warriors were the stupid ones. And as for monks being blamed for deaths...that should never happen. As for monks going AFK that is childish. As for monks being NEEDED..sure but there are plenty more than the assholes that are out there to choose from. Rule of thumb...just try to get along and you will never have to play w/ that person again after the mission

You're absolutely right, people need to begin to emphasize the use and worth of a Party Leader. I hate when a party just invites who they can get, and take off, no planning, and no strategies. We turned a dire situation into a glorious victory simply by making a plan.... Have the ranger go on ahead, turn on his evasion skills, and fire an arrow into the group, walk backwards, I target him, protection up, breeze up, and hit them with range before they get in, and cast a LOT of hexes on them before they get to us. Made the fight so easy, whereas just running up to them we were slaughtered.

I'm actually very smart, and I do understand that some parties - well put together can do without me. But if I'm so useless, I want them to back it up. Actions speak louder than words... Often I've done this, and they've apologized, and I went to res them and heal them all up, and completed the mission.

I don't even talk this way until I start getting insulted.

Dudededu · Jul 13, 2005, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Dahl

They are very, very useful, but not so useful when they've been slaughtered. I'm the one who buys them time and allow them to cast spells - without interruption.

You seriously havent played the game enough.

Can survive without a monk. Ive done it.. and Im sure Im not the only one.

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Originally Posted by Dahl

I didn't ask for you opinion on my attitude when I play my monk.

Solution. Dont post on an open forum.

Dahl · Jul 13, 2005, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Palanis

What about the poor warriors? Ever think of them while you were throwing this tantrum?

The best way to deal with some know-it-all kid is to simply act like an adult, and show him you have the maturity and clarity of thought to keep yourself above the situation for the benefit of the party. It may not be as instantly gratifying as putting them in their place but they're going to look back on that situation with a lot more heavy thought than they would an exchance of words with some equally infuriated gamer as happens all too often.

Monks can have bad days too, but it was kind of stupid to neglect the entire party. I really should have just let the ranger die and keep the warriors alive. It was a spur the moment thing.

Aniewiel · Jul 13, 2005, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by Dudededu

You seriously havent played the game enough.

Can survive without a monk. Ive done it.. and Im sure Im not the only one.

Solution. Dont post on an open forum.

Well, you -are- right of course....

Survival without a monk is possible. The henchmen don't give lip and, as someone else in another thread said, "they die with dignity." But it's much more fun to play with other humans. Keep looking for the "good guy" monks out there. We are looking for you guys too!

Borak Bloodbane · Jul 13, 2005, 05:49 PM // 17:49

"Standing around AFK as a monk when their is a shortage of them, in a busy town or mission outpost annoys the hell out of group leaders far more than it does monks, I find this common occurance to be highly rude and provocative, there are few monks so lets stand around AFK and tease people looking for one."

WTF? Did anyone else miss the memo that said if you are a monk you MUST be at the keyboard at all times? Sorry i must have never found the zone that was meant for monks who wish to go afk. Damn even Prima hasnt found it... and they have found everything...yeah...

Disoblige · Jul 13, 2005, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by Malchiel

This is why, don't take monk for PvE, seriously. Well except for UW/FoW. Too bad they don't have lvl 20 NPC healers in ToA, otherwise I'd probably prefer that to most monks standing around there too.

Get the henchies.

1) They do a better job than some unknown monk.
2) They will never leave your group.
3) They never whine or bitch
4) They're smarter than most monks
5) They don't have an attitude problem
6) They don't go afk
7) And so on...

Have you hugged brother mhenlo today?

I can't tell you the number of times a monk left a group.
I can't tell you the number of times the monk can't actually heal/or protect.
I can't tell you the number of times I'm in a group with a useless (stupid

) monk.
I can't tell you the number of times monks started to sound snobbish, and go about bossing everyone. *snicker*

Oh that being said. "hey you stupid monks, join my group!!1" <-- calling anyone stupid is unlikely to get them in your group. And psshtt it's not exclusive to just monks ;p

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The person that said this has an Iq of 50. This applies to every player in your team.

Ultimate_Gaara · Jul 13, 2005, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by Dahl

Monks can have bad days too, but it was kind of stupid to neglect the entire party. I really should have just let the ranger die and keep the warriors alive. It was a spur the moment thing.

well everyone has bad days, but less people should react to heal spam and either ignore it or explain what happend with out using words like "Stupid" or "noob" or any other commonly used word, make it to the point but not too agressive such as "sorry but i can be two places at once, i may be close to god, but im no that powerful".. ok so the last little part wasnt needed, but its always nice to keep the mood light rather than start a fight

you cant go back in time, but in the future you can take some of this into though

Winterclaw · Jul 13, 2005, 05:54 PM // 17:54

There is a reason why my "healer" PC is a Me/Mo. ¦Þ

About invites, if my group is pestering me, I'll send an invite once and only once to a monk. Sometimes if I have the chance, I'll whiper them first.

Henchies aren't always a good option. In some missions you need a real person as a monk. Also the monk henchies are targeted early, sometimes agro every enemy, and don't know when to run away or run away too much when you are trying to drop an AoE DoT spell on the guys attacking them. You can't order them about or put them into a plan. :|

I made a post about it in the sanitarium but as the game progresses, the number of available monks seem to decline and the need for them goes up. By abbadon's mouth (and some earlier mssions), most groups won't leave without 2 PC healers. In thunderhead keep, you need at least one PC healer.

I agree some people are too hard on healers, but a healer is also the "must have" class in the game.

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Originally Posted by Dude

As for people blaming monks for wipe outs and deaths and such. In my experience a lot of people seem to think/act like monks have an endless supply of healing. They seem to ignore the fact that they can only heal so much damage in so much time. If the group is exceding that number... someone is going to die. Regardless of how good a monk is. They always want to think he either wasnt paying attention or is stupid. Sometimes a monk doesnt have the energy, or cant cast fast enough to keep up with the damage...

Correct. Monks have limits.

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Originally Posted by Dahl

Scenario: I was doing a mission as a monk with 2 Warriors and a Range and myself. The Ranger decides she wants to stop and snipe the monsters off a cliff even though it'd be a lot faster and less annoying to run down the cliff and kill them using EVERYONE!

As a W/E, I agree with the ranger. Sniping was the smart thing to do. If sniping was the plan, you and the warriors shouldn't have run off.

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A lesson to all you non-monks, you need me, whether you like it or not. No matter your class, no matter your secondary class, you NEED me, I am your whole teams very life essence.

Kill the ego trip or stop playing a healer.

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The only death that a monk is responsible for, is the Monk's death. The warrior died? Tough, get better armor, and don't charge into the fray.

People need you, but you aren't responsible for them? BS! Warriors have to fight and after a point they can't get better armor. Maybe you'd like it better if they let you get killed and "convienantly" forgot about their rez signet. Or better yet let everyone get killed and start the mission over without you.

My opinion is everyone has a job to do and limits. If they do their job (and aren't jerks about it) or if they are at their limit, don't complain. This goes for all classes.

Algren Cole · Jul 13, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Dahl

I'm not a healer, I don't know why everyone assumes I'm a healer. I've proved myself that 95% of the time, a Protection Monk with a little bit of healing does a much better job at keeping the party alive than a Pure Healer.

With me around, you simply do not take physical damage.

regardless....you don't NEED a monk...it's nice to have one, but not needed. The Elitest attitude that monks have is probably why people are growing dislike most monks....like you most monks thing we NEED them...and we don't

Czar · Jul 13, 2005, 06:07 PM // 18:07

What a topic! My turn. From the very first day Guild Wars was released I stuck to one hero and one hero only – my warrior. After beating the game I had nothing left to do then attempt to win the HoH. Attempt after attempt my party would fail. The main reason behind this I think was due to a shortage in healing monks willing to join a non-guild based party. Regardless I would wait, some times hours, looking for the perfect healing monk with Teamspeak. Not some PvP hero with 10 days of experiences either!

In the beginning of this month I finally created my second hero, a RPG primary monk. I figure this way over the course of the PvE part my skill usage for a primary monk could be fine tuned and well learned. So far I’ve learned a great deal of what it takes to be a primary healing, and I value the experience as I now know exactly what is involved. This education prevents ignorance on my behalf when I drop dead and blame the monk. ;-)

In agreement with the first poster, Acheus Lokine, Monks are abused in this game. I for one wanted to do something about that and devoted the time to build and train my Monk and I can recommend the same for the folks above that think a henchmen is just as good, Your missing a whole lot.

The monk profession is the single most important role for PvP and often PvE. As a great quote said:

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The question is not if you need a monk, it is how many will you need.

The answer? 3 - but again off topic.

So, in summary, once my hero reaches the HoH you can count on me to provide you healing.

P.S. Never call a monk “Hey Monk!”, we have names.

P.S.S. Monks, do not leave the party if one person badmouths you. Rather refrain from healing that person and stand by your guns to do the best for the rest.

Del12 · Jul 13, 2005, 06:10 PM // 18:10

I've played a healing monk completely thru the whole game, and have heard just about as many complements as negative comments. If you're really good at it, some people will recognize that.

Monks aren't all 'snobs'. Some of us are normal, down-to-earth-people, that are just like you, except a lot smarter and a lot better looking. =)

Fungus Amongus · Jul 13, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

What leads most people to complain about monks is that it's obvious to the whole team when a monk sucks. When everyone's life bar keeps dipping dangerously low in a simple battle, you know your healing/protection monk isn't paying attention or just sucks. When I tried an odd R/N build I was relatively useless in the group but noone complained or said that I sucked. They simply didn't notice. But when I play my healer/protector and ping "My Energy is 7 of 45" and someone aggros a group immediately and dies, they yell,"c'mon monk! don't you heal?"

What I haven't seen mentioned enough is that EVERYONE on the team is important. It's just that's it's too easy to see if the healer isn't very good.

Aniewiel · Jul 13, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Del

I've played a healing monk completely thru the whole game, and have heard just about as many complements as negative comments. If you're really good at it, some people will recognize that.

Monks aren't all 'snobs'. Some of us are normal, down-to-earth-people, that are just like you, except a lot smarter and a lot better looking. =)

Thank you, Del, you quiet traveller, you.

I feel exactly the same about my monk!

Algren Cole · Jul 13, 2005, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by Del

I've played a healing monk completely thru the whole game, and have heard just about as many complements as negative comments. If you're really good at it, some people will recognize that.

Monks aren't all 'snobs'. Some of us are normal, down-to-earth-people, that are just like you, except a lot smarter and a lot better looking. =)

I make sure to compliment everyone in the party that does a good job....if we're in a long battle and the monk keeps us alive...I hit enter and type "nj healer" doesn't take but a second or two...and it lets the monk know you appreciate what he is doing. Often times monks feel useless as they don't do any damage...gotta let em know they are serving there purpose.

doesn't take long at all to let people on your team know when they've done a good job....

Lost · Jul 13, 2005, 06:18 PM // 18:18

I had heard that monks gets abused by players a lot. But I have to say since I created a monk and have beaten the game with the monk, I have yet to be abused.

People have always been polite in asking me to join their group. If I do not want to or do not like how their group is set up I will decline and they will move on.

I have never been blamed for a failure in any mission. If anything people have praised me several times for saving many near party wipes.

Most groups my monk has been in have been patient and waited if I needed to recharge energy.

Maybe I am lucky but I have only had good experiences with my monk. I am also very choosy about which group I will join and I am pretty good at joining good ones.

Aniewiel · Jul 13, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I make sure to compliment everyone in the party that does a good job....if we're in a long battle and the monk keeps us alive...I hit enter and type "nj healer" doesn't take but a second or two...and it lets the monk know you appreciate what he is doing. Often times monks feel useless as they don't do any damage...gotta let em know they are serving there purpose.

doesn't take long at all to let people on your team know when they've done a good job....

Absolutely 100% true. It takes a TEAM to beat these missions. If my monk lives through a particularly difficult battle/quest/mission, I am HUGELY grateful to those who protected me!

The first thing I tell any group I enter is, "Full healer, some protection, utterly defenseless." They immediately get the idea and rally round the silver flagpole with the Tinkerbell wand.

I am not "holier than thou" but I do think it is important that every member of a party is made to feel worthwhile. I make sure that I pass on my gratitude at every opportunity.

Palanis · Jul 13, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20

So, Dahl. This is unrelated to the fascinating drama surrounding this thread, I know, but I was wondering: What's your protection build? Or if that's priviledged information, perhaps just some pointers? My friend plays a M/R (Ranger part is pretty much ignored) and he's been tinkering around with a protection build post-crystal dessert. It seems to be much more effective now that the monsters are hitting harder.

Dudededu · Jul 13, 2005, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Lost

Maybe I am lucky but I have only had good experiences with my monk.

Or maybe your one of the good ones

Ultimate_Gaara · Jul 13, 2005, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I make sure to compliment everyone in the party that does a good job....if we're in a long battle and the monk keeps us alive...I hit enter and type "nj healer" doesn't take but a second or two...and it lets the monk know you appreciate what he is doing. Often times monks feel useless as they don't do any damage...gotta let em know they are serving there purpose.

doesn't take long at all to let people on your team know when they've done a good job....

I agree people should be more thankful, i say thank you more times than i should, its just common courtesy... i always thank after people let me in their group, after a monk heals me and i really needed it, after he/she rezes me (as much as i like the taste of soil life is so much better), and after a mission and i never yell at the monk, i may ask them to be careful if it looks like their about to get in danger but thats about it.. im sure we would have a lot more player friendly monks if we only thanked them a little more for healing and rezing