Curse

blackbane · Mar 26, 2006, 06:53 AM // 06:53

I have recently been confronted by a interesting verge of events.
I have been going to fow a lot, switching to healer / bonder (which ever one was needed). A few days ago, a group and I got ready to head off to fissure, as I set my attributes to healer. We all connected and started taking out enemys, yadda yadda yadda, so then I notice, the bond monk, doesn't have any enchantment on him, and is taking out his frustration of low energy on our SS/Battery necro. I ask him, " Where is your balthazars spirit", he responds to me like he just saw Elvis, that spell "sucks", I wouldnt get energy if I put it on you all. I said back to him, put it on yourself, you will get energy every time an ally gets hit. He didn't believe me, and kept himself in denial that what I said doesn't work.

And another day... same story except I was the bonder, I got set up with a fow group, they looked good, our warrior had 15k platemail and fow helm. dyed all black, so I thought he was an expirienced leader, and the group would go well. On the other hand, I was taught a very valuable lesson, not to judge a book by its cover. The guy thought he had a incredible understanding of what he was doing, but he didn't have a clue. He made so many mistakes writing them out would take a few threads. But anywho, we get by to the part of fow where you get the book quest, and ofcourse the all knowing warrior aggros two groups of skeletons and we get overwhelmed and killed, one of our casters escaped, and ressed. I confronted the warrior in the american way of guild wars, "What the hell are you doing you noob". And ofcourse the genious fights back."You are saying im a noob, you brought one bond to fow and call other people that". I was pretty mad, and explained to him that there was only one bond, and that he should kindly quit guild wars,but he said theres 5 bonds, that a bonder takes each run, meaning I am quite frankly supposed to cast 5 enchantments on 9 people, and maintain each one with blessed signet and a battery necro. Ofcourse, with my american background I flashed my Rank 3 emote at his face and rage quit. Back to why I made this thread, to clear up confusion, or not knowing at all, there are a few bonder builds, people use their personality to tweak their build, and make it suit them.
THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF BONDERS. BONDER 1 IS THE BASIC, ENERGY UPKEEP PROT BUILD.
Mo/W Bonder [Life Bond][BlessedSignet][BalthazarsSpirit][BonettisDefense][ProtSpell][ProtSpell]][ResSpell][Elite] -Used for 7 man bonding,
Mo/X Bonder [Life Bond][BlessedSignet][Balthazarsspirit][LifeBarrier{e}][VitalBlessing][ResSpell][ProtSpell][SecondaryProfSpell] - Used for Sorrows Furnace, Farming. Build to suit 1 Man PROTECTION, not bonding.
Mo/X Bonder [Life Bond][BlessedSignet][BalthazarsSpirit][ProtSpell][ProtSpell][ResSpell][EliteEspell] -Used for 7 man bonding,
There are many more custom bonder builds. Take note, {e} = elite
THE SECOND BONDER BUILD IS TECHNICALLY NOT A BONDER.
This build consists of having life barrier as your elite, and blessed signet + a mantra from the secondary mesmer proffesion. This is moslty a PVE build because Tombs/Gvg Energy denials EAT this build.
I hear a lot of crap about... Wow that skill isnt supposed to be used, and Wow Peace and harmony is way better then that and this is better then that..... Guys, if you have been playing for 4 months, and a guy is fighting with you, while you have a gold deer in your face, just give up. Knowledge can only help you, not hurt.

Any comments, dissagrements, ect, Similar stories maybe.... are welcome.

From Bane, Stay pretty.

Weezer_Blue · Mar 26, 2006, 07:21 AM // 07:21

While I understand your frustration, just learn to ignore incompetent players who won't take advice. If they won't take constructive criticism, they deserve to keep sucking.

blackbane · Mar 26, 2006, 07:51 AM // 07:51

Yeah I sometimes too feel like I give too much, sharing valuable information that they all put to waste because of their stubborn ego.

Katari · Mar 26, 2006, 08:04 AM // 08:04

So just what elites are you using? Why don't you run Mantra of Inscriptions on builds for larger parties? Why would you bother with Vital Blessing and not Life Atunement? Why wouldn't you run Life Barrier? Why do you think an 'american background' means you get to act like a jerk?

Matsumi · Mar 26, 2006, 09:13 AM // 09:13

Hmm, yea, at first I sort of agree with you, but then once you started saying what you were saying to these people and flashing a deer in their face or whatever, sounds like maybe there's an ego issue on both ends? Knowledge is good and all, but not all americans are mouthy and expect nobody to argue with them when they flash a deer in one's face. That would almost imply that you don't want anyone to argue with you on this thread either. So what is there really to say?

Haggard · Mar 26, 2006, 09:19 AM // 09:19

I have the ultimate example of this - yesterday I was doing a mission in the FPE with a very famous person indeed. I won't mention names but lets just say hye was the first person to get a very special emote. Anyways, he did possibly the worlds worst leeroy (save the originial), into a mob of Kurzicks who were the complete opposite way of where our turtles were headed.

While he was doing this, we tried to make him turn around but after 20 seconds of franitic spamming he did not, AND our turtles were being attacked by a different mob as he was running towards the one who didn't pose a threat.

I guess i agree with the 'never judge a book by its cover'

Gun Pierson · Mar 26, 2006, 09:25 AM // 09:25

I'll share some knowledge of the FOW bonder. First of all a true bonder is a passive bonder. This means he stays way in the back bonding the whole party with life barrier or life bond and throwing in 18 secs lasting aegis time after time. Yes 18 secs and with the proper items he'll have 20% chance he can cast an aegis just before one has ended. In the meantime he keeps up 9-10 enchantments, with or without a battery. This way, the party can't hardly die even if they agro several groups at once. So no bonetti's and balthasar's spirit for me.

If the warrior goes booktrick, you can life barrier, life bond and essence bond him. throwing in aegis again for fun, just to be sexy.

My last piece of advice...No matter what a stripper tells you, there's no sex in the champane room.

Peace!

M3lk0r · Mar 26, 2006, 11:54 AM // 11:54

Why, in the name of Rurik's mother, did you think that a war with 15k platemail and fow helm is any good? Armor and fancy weapons is NEVER an indication of skill/experience/anything-resembling-a-brain.

Thom · Mar 26, 2006, 12:36 PM // 12:36

Gun, what is exactly wrong with having massive amounts of energy with Life Bond+Balthasar's? And why would you go for life barrier over life bond? I'm completely lost on the logic here. You can have a free elite spot and more flexiblity leaving life barrier at home. I'm not a farmer, but I thought I had a good grip on the monks skills.

Executioner · Mar 26, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

Theres nothing wrong with any bonder builds in PvE, since most of them work as long as the bonder has mantra of inscriptions, for FoW i normally use... (barrier, lifebond, balths spirit, vital blessing, life attunement, blessed sig, sig devotion, mantra inscriptions) heh i dont even bother with a hard res, your party shouldnt even die and if they do you just stick more bonds on that person thats half the fun in PvE how much energy degen can you sustain while still healing on the kite.. just make sure you have 2(just incase 1 drops) healers for the degen areas in FoW.

I dont think i could play a passive bonder in PvE, just to boring...heh

nitrile · Mar 26, 2006, 02:26 PM // 14:26

Bonding has come to have two different meanings. In one sense it's putting a protective sheath around everyone, but that all changes with "the book" or gear/keg/etc which makes it redundant to do so, and the tank in question wants you as a personal slave to make him for pve intents and purposes invincible. The builds for doing so are (not so) subtly different. When I play bonder I'll go with the former concept except in certain cases, but my base build includes enough commonality to work with or without item holding in most places just so I don't have to waste my time. I've played the role a lot and it's not yet happened, but if anyone has complaints about me being a bad bonder I've the simple retort that only a bad tank needs a book AI exploit to do his job, but I'd bet most people's experience with bonding comes from sf *exclusively* and what they expect to happen is to get to run around heedlessly while every monster attacks one godmode target. Unfortunately reality is what people make of it, and 'real' bonding in pickup groups will take second place until/if/when Anet ever hire an AI programmer.

ShadowMagus · Mar 26, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

I'm just going to dissagree with everyone here on every topic/post they have and call it a day.

Gun Pierson · Mar 26, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thom

Gun, what is exactly wrong with having massive amounts of energy with Life Bond+Balthasar's? And why would you go for life barrier over life bond? I'm completely lost on the logic here. You can have a free elite spot and more flexiblity leaving life barrier at home. I'm not a farmer, but I thought I had a good grip on the monks skills.

Good question. I used to choose life bond over life barrier too. But I'm using 3 superior runes: div, prot and healing. This way I can heal too if the healer leaves for example or support him when needed. This also means my health is not that high and I have to watch out using life bond on full groups together with stepping in to heal. I have enough with blessed signet for my energy so no need for balthasar's.

I know where you're coming from and though there's nothing wrong with the other builds, I prefer this one.

Dead Phlox · Mar 26, 2006, 04:09 PM // 16:09

More than anything, I'm concerned about you call him an egotist. Using the word "noob", flashing an emote, and blaming him are all things that should not be done. Saying you're an American and doing that stuff doesn't help either. You make me feel disgraced for being American. Besides, it doesn't matter where you're from, you shouldn't be a jerk.

That's all I really took out of it. Anyone who flashes an emote to prove a point is a moron, in my book.

Tainek · Mar 26, 2006, 04:14 PM // 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead Phlox

That's all I really took out of it. Anyone who flashes an emote to prove a point is a moron, in my book.

anyone who needs to flash an emote in an argument has LOST the argument most of the time...

jules · Mar 26, 2006, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3lk0r

Why, in the name of Rurik's mother, did you think that a war with 15k platemail and fow helm is any good? Armor and fancy weapons is NEVER an indication of skill/experience/anything-resembling-a-brain.

Leave Rurik's mum out of this. I have it on good authority that she was a fine lady.

Before this thread gets closed, here are my 2 cents. The OP sounds like he knows what he's doing, but emote flashing and ragequitting are not the best ways to get your point across.

the sinister · Mar 26, 2006, 07:55 PM // 19:55

I wanna change some things in your post,i were that warrior who played. First of all it was me who aggroed the group, so that was my fault.
Second Sparrow (party member) and me started to blame on you, because you only used one bond in combat and even didnt use aegis.
Third i didnt say it was 5 bonds, i told you it was more than 5 bonds.
We were going for the book-trick to the Forgemaster and i told you before we entered FoW , and you maybe know what that means = You shall bring Essence Bond and Baltazars Spirit for unlimited energy.
Second i didnt do a misstake att all unless when i agroed the group and the weaponsmith, and what you think of that i dont care of because i dont wanna hear bad comments of you im doing wrong.

And it was certain i didnt like your bonding, have you heard of "elite skills"?

And when you showed your R3+ emote, my rage werent restored.
You just left and thought you had done the right to teach people of your experience and call people noobs , and you think thats ok?
It makes a player sad to know anyone is hateing your game-experienced.

Anarki · Mar 26, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

I dont get it, why balthazar spirit, why dont you use essence bond as well?

Y.T. · Mar 26, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

well what can i say - find better tank, cos honestly good bookholder dosnt need any bonds on him... i'm not going to post any names as well but i know tanks who able to survive for 3-5 min without any healing in chaos planes in UW - lets say if we were ambushed and most of squishies got killed such tank can run in grab all mindblades and stay still buying me some precious time for rez... i'm doing fow runs since betas, i saw HUGE amount of diff tank builds - some were adequate, some were dreadful and some were almost flawless... but all tanks were absolutely sure they're doing EVERITHING right - no matter how often we had to rez, run and such...

ur monk is 1 person who's watching u all the time - all ur movements, aggro control, skills u use - just because in many cases thats the only way to keep tank alive - and if ur monk said that theres smth wrong u better listen.

truth is u dont need bonder in FOW. not for a dedicated bookholder at least. of cos it dosnt mean that u cant bring bonder to FOW - yes u can. protector monk can be really useful to any team - active prot is better for FOW imo 'cos with huge amount of mesmers and necros u cant guarantee that ur bond stays on all the time and shattered bond can kill squishy pretty fast - i'm sure evr1 saw nukers with 2 sup runes and relatively low hp being spiked by mesmers at the entrance to the forge tower - 3 shatter ench = 1 dead nuker yelling WTF.... on the other hand if u have 1 healer monk who's able to keep team alive alone all the time and mesmer (primary or 2ndry) who's removing all hexes all the time u can take bonder with u - just for the comfort of mind

@the sinister: u overaggroed - thats bad. u died - thats even worse, cos being w/r u have to be able to survive any overaggroing - so chances are u dont have the right build for this area and have to work on it. any critics have to be appreciated and analysed unless u want to be stupid hysterical teenage noob blaming ur team for ur own mistakes. fyi good active prot (a.k.a. boon prot) is able to keep ur team alive alone, even if ur healer monk leaves the team, lagging, afk or just dumb u'll be fine. bonder cant do it, so its always a good idea to tweak ur build and be able to soak more damage without monk baby-sitting u.
as for blaming ur monk for having wrong skills/bonds whatnot - u know that was ur mistake. u're the tank ur job is to control the aggro and take the damage. u overaggroed and died - what monk has to do with it? alot of tanks think that monks are here to be 'personal slaves' - thats cos they dont know what good tank can do for his/her team... i played with few unbelievable tanks (pro tank usually have few monks in his/her friend list who's rdy to leave any group and join tank's group at 1st notice cos they know it'll be a great run) and i know the diff pro tank can made. again - no names but person who tanked in this run prolly remembers it cos it happened not so long ago

- we farmed fow with the book cleared all areas did all quests got lots of exp and decided to return the book and call it a nite - it was quite late - when tank said 'sh** wheres the book?'. he dropped it and NOBODY noticed any diff. we spend like 15 min looking for the frigin book evrwhere then finally found it and had a good laugh about it... he dropped it in a midrun if u're curious.

so PLS keep in mind that when monk critisize she/he does so not with the sole purpose of yelling at smbdy - good tank can make every run easy. if monk suggested some changes - listen to monk.

edit: why platemail?

fgarvin · Mar 26, 2006, 09:15 PM // 21:15

As a guy just learning to bond, reading your thread has taught me a great deal. Attached is a link to my "bonder" thread.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=142026

As you can see, there's some great advice about builds. We all can learn something.