Curse

crazy diamond · Mar 27, 2006, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by TheShadowedBlade

You forget that Gladiators looks like crap.

I have accepted that as the balancing factor in that particular set of armor.

Both regular and 15K versions are intentionally ugly to offset the appeal of the bonus energy.

Manic Smile · Mar 27, 2006, 09:22 PM // 21:22

^ that's an interesting take

If it wasn't for the fin I think I'd like glads.

crazy diamond · Mar 27, 2006, 09:31 PM // 21:31

Though I posted the above mostly in jest, I do sometimes wonder if I inadvertently figured out the reason behind their apparently intentional unattractive designs.

Josh · Mar 27, 2006, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Interesting.

Gaile said repeatedly having just Factions would give no advantage for people who had 'just' Prophecies.

So unless they upgrade current Prophecies armour, this is gonna be unbalancing.

SilentAssassin · Mar 27, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

well I just don't like it that they make so many duplicates

double skills, double armours (this will probably happen with plate etc...)

where is A.net's creativity?

what will they do when they are making ch3 - 4 -5 ?

make more duplicates ?????

I love guildwars, but I just hope they don't walk in their own trap

I've always loved my 15k platemail just because it looks so daaarn nice, but I just think that platemail is waaaaay underpowered,
why does platemail only get a +10 vs physical and glad +20 and extra energy???????

Take a look at the armours doesn't platemail looks alot stronger, especially against physical dmg?? with glads your almost nude....

Sister Spice · Mar 27, 2006, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by eudas

it's called power creep, and it happens in every game, even the vaunted m:tg that they refer to.

eudas

Except Mtg went the other way
cards became *less* powerful.

Where having a 'bigger collection' helped - was that they kept setting tournament rules that mean you could ONLY play with the newer cards - so your earlier cards became obsolete - not that the older cards were inherently worse.
Also - new metagames were added with new expansions - new mechanics that you needed to deal with and couldnt if you only had older sets.

Spicecat
(lapsed mtg player)

crazy diamond · Mar 27, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

I feel that the duplicates are just there as a stylistic choice, and/or to give those who don't have both versions of the game the ability to have an armor set equal to those on the other side.

To say that they have no creativity is terribly unfair, since they have created, at the very least, 3 new kinds of armors for each class, as well as 6 kinds for each of the new classes, totaling 30 new armors in both design and effect. And thats without counting whatever 15K or bonus armors they may have under wraps.

Haggard · Mar 27, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by TheShadowedBlade

You forget that Gladiators looks like crap.

The man has a point.

stickyballs · Mar 27, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by TheShadowedBlade

You forget that Gladiators looks like crap.

O yes, you are right. Both 1.5k and 15k versions look like a male gigolo or something. There is only one solution: FoW armor. Too bad it's so damn expensive...

crazy diamond · Mar 27, 2006, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by stickyballs

Both 1.5k and 15k versions look like a male gigolo or something.

"Behold my fifteen-thousand dollar man-bra!"

unienaule · Mar 27, 2006, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by eudas

it's called power creep, and it happens in every game, even the vaunted m:tg that they refer to.

eudas

How is it power creep when the old armors that are being fixed were totally trash? +15 vs element? Platemail totally sucking compared to the others? Now they're all more viable choices. It's not power creep when one set of armor was the same but worse than another.

Raxxman · Mar 28, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03

heres the thing though:

So far they haven't made more viable choices. Proph armour is still worse than Factions armour.

LifeInfusion · Mar 28, 2006, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by Josh

unless they upgrade current Prophecies armour, this is gonna be unbalancing.

I do hope they do. It would give more incentive to go anything but glad's

Savio · Mar 28, 2006, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

I do hope they do. It would give more incentive to go anything but glad's

No, not really, unless you're a PvE tank. And it still won't matter because in PvE you'd be bringing skills to augment your defense anyway, so a bit of base armor difference won't be as great as +energy, which gives you more skill usage, or +health, which makes you slightly more durable. Warrior armors besides Sentinel's and Gladiator's are still bland until you give them more use than just +armor.

Pompeyfan · Mar 28, 2006, 02:03 AM // 02:03

Whats going to happen to people who bought FoW in propechies? I've nearly got enough for a set for my warrior, but like the look of sentinel stats - just don't like any of the designs much. Will there be FoW versions of new armours for the original 6 classes (I know Rithualist/Assassin FoW is a no go)?

Luckily the new Ranger armour stats don't improve any over druids and they all look crap anyway.

Eclair · Mar 28, 2006, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by Pompeyfan

Whats going to happen to people who bought FoW in propechies? I've nearly got enough for a set for my warrior, but like the look of sentinel stats - just don't like any of the designs much. Will there be FoW versions of new armours for the original 6 classes (I know Rithualist/Assassin FoW is a no go)?

Luckily the new Ranger armour stats don't improve any over druids and they all look crap anyway.

You know how there's 3 new looks for each class? Well, from what the FPE shows, it looks like you can get ANY look with any stat, because all the armors on the Kurzik side will have the same look, while the ones on the Luxon side will have another. Finally, A neutral/most likely Marketplace area would have the third.

Hopefully this means that you can mix and match and look as you want will still getting the stats you want.

Rhuobhe · Mar 28, 2006, 05:53 AM // 05:53

Gaile said that assassin and ritualist classes will have FoW armor. IIRC she said it the night with the database rollback (when shards were selling for 250 ea)

Eden2k5 · Mar 28, 2006, 05:56 AM // 05:56

Platemail has always been crappy, it effectivly gives you 2% magic damage reduction at the cost of about 15 AR against melee and bonus energy.

Not only that it's more costly to craft as well. Don't ask me why I have a set of 15k platemail either :P
Money to burn I guess. It does look nice though I really hope they boost it soon

burai · Mar 28, 2006, 08:18 AM // 08:18

The fact that the majority of warriors are wearing Glads just makes my Plate-clad warrior more distinctive.

Vive la difference

SaintGreg · Mar 28, 2006, 08:42 AM // 08:42

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The fact that the majority of warriors are wearing Glads just makes my Plate-clad warrior more distinctive.

Not really, there are tons of people in pve who have platemail.

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Platemail has always been crappy, it effectivly gives you 2% magic damage reduction at the cost of about 15 AR against melee and bonus energy.

5 AL makes platemail an 8% damage reduction vs elemental compared to Glad's. Similarly Glads is an 8% damage reduction versus base physical attack damage over Plate. Although considering Warriors already pretty high armor and absorption, 5 AL really isn't jack, especially compared with the energy bonus of glads, and the hp bonus vs spike in the upcoming factions armor.

I don't see how people don't like the look of 15k glads... The female version at least is better looking than FoW, and looks even better paired with ascalon boots too