Curse

twicky_kid · Feb 08, 2006, 06:47 AM // 06:47

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Originally Posted by lg5000

That leads to the question of how many people spent endless hours farming and how many opted for ebay money to get fissure, or held hoh (which, apparently, can make you rich?)

Is it a sign that you're a good player? Hardly.

Holding halls drops 3 sigils and some Rare items. Usually max stats and rare skins.

HoH can make you very rich but only the skilled.

FoW armor is pointless when the 15k armor looks much better. I just laugh at the fools who complain about it. This isn't a game to be grinded on for 3 months to get some stupid armor that is nothing more than a different skin.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Feb 08, 2006, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by onilink

I think you might have missed my point. I am not disgustingly rich, I just know that I and many other people have spent a lot of time and effort to get our fissure armor, and it would be rather dissapointing to see someone who's hardly been playing for very long wearing the same armor that it took us hundreds of hours to earn. A game that offers very high-level rewards for extended play and then cheapens that reward once you've earned it does not seem very fun to me.

While I understand how frustrating it would be to spend all those hours to get your FOW armor only to have the same armor to be a lot cheaper later on, I can't say that I'd feel any pain for you. Not trying to sound mean or anything...

But when you're buying something whose price is based on market supply and demand and which is always fluctuating, you can't really boycott or call it unfair when prices change. I mean what if the opposite occurred? What if you had purchased your armor when it was very cheap and later on prices went up? Should ANET revoke your armor then?

The point is that you don't have a choice but to accept any price fluctuations. It's pretty silly that you'd threaten a boycott since you know full well that prices always change. I mean you COULD have held out until later to get your armor but you chose to buy it immediately. That's the price you pay.

Effendi Westland · Feb 08, 2006, 10:30 AM // 10:30

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

While I understand how frustrating it would be to spend all those hours to get your FOW armor only to have the same armor to be a lot cheaper later on, I can't say that I'd feel any pain for you. Not trying to sound mean or anything...

But when you're buying something whose price is based on market supply and demand and which is always fluctuating, you can't really boycott or call it unfair when prices change. I mean what if the opposite occurred? What if you had purchased your armor when it was very cheap and later on prices went up? Should ANET revoke your armor then?

The point is that you don't have a choice but to accept any price fluctuations. It's pretty silly that you'd threaten a boycott since you know full well that prices always change. I mean you COULD have held out until later to get your armor but you chose to buy it immediately. That's the price you pay.

Basically what i meant, but alot more refined

Avarre · Feb 08, 2006, 11:36 AM // 11:36

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

This isn't a game to be grinded on for 3 months to get some stupid armor that is nothing more than a different skin.

So now you judge what others find to be fun? I never had to grind to get FoW armor (or at least, I never considered it grinding), and if it takes 3 months... well... heh.

You say 15k is 'much better looking'? You say FoW armor is just 'stupid'? Quit spouting your trollish opinions, and provide some actual reference for them.

onilink · Feb 08, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

It was very late for me when I wrote my first post, and looking back I see that my choice of words was not completely adequate. I completely understand price fluctuation, and have absolutely no problem with it. I was merely referring to the earlier post about prices dropping to under 500g an ecto, a circumstance I would be very surprised to find the guild wars community in without interferrence from Anet (ie, a trader reset).

Gildor Took · Feb 08, 2006, 11:48 AM // 11:48

There's a rumour circling around that the new armour MIGHT require Ectos and Rubies/Sapphires

You heard it first here

SilentAssassin · Feb 08, 2006, 11:54 AM // 11:54

I don't go for rumours.

Katch · Feb 08, 2006, 12:13 PM // 12:13

willing to bet ecto prices will go back up to around the 10-12k mark once chapter 2 is out. Just hold on to them, they're not gonna go any lower.

Rayne Nightfyre · Feb 08, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

FoW armor is pointless when the 15k armor looks much better. I just laugh at the fools who complain about it. This isn't a game to be grinded on for 3 months to get some stupid armor that is nothing more than a different skin.

I agree. Although it's quite an accomplishment to have everyone in town saying "ooh look she has Fissure armor o.O... she must be rich," is it really worth it? I feel that many(not all) 15k sets look better than Fissure. 15k Rogue's baby

koneko · Feb 09, 2006, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

FoW armor is pointless when the 15k armor looks much better. I just laugh at the fools who complain about it. This isn't a game to be grinded on for 3 months to get some stupid armor that is nothing more than a different skin.

Fissure monk armor > 15k monk armor

I "grinded" for less than two weeks and got my set. (Then again, I got lucky and Victo's Bulwark dropped for me early on and I sold it for 100k+20 ectos. Whee.)

Ju_Smurph · Feb 09, 2006, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by koneko

Fissure monk armor > 15k monk armor

I "grinded" for less than two weeks and got my set. (Then again, I got lucky and Victo's Bulwark dropped for me early on and I sold it for 100k+20 ectos. Whee.)

Yeah that helps... I don't have that sort of luck though... Ectos will have worth, Gaile has said it, though i think out of all the things to stock pile, they are pretty much lame so i have heard it along time ago :P Just don't really care for it.

Bosco · Feb 09, 2006, 07:03 AM // 07:03

You know, Anet would make TONS of people very unhappy by making ectos worth nothing. Therefore, they will not do this. I'm hoarding mine because I'm betting they'll go up after ch. 2 comes out. If not, wtf? I can still get another set of FoW armor.

Also, what the hell is with Shards? They're stable at ~4/3.5 or so. I can remember back to when I got Fissure Armor and they were the same back then, and that was 7 months ago! Why are they not bowing to the almighty god of speculation?

BTW, Gaile Gray stated that FoW armor will continue to be a very expensive/valuable item after the Ch. 2. I take this to mean that they will attempt to reinvigorate the ecto/shard.

Also, I've noticed monstrous fangs are starting to drop more... Got a couple in tombs recently - first I've had since... I dunno - May?

Cobalt · Feb 09, 2006, 02:44 PM // 14:44

I saw 120 ectos on Ebay going for $199.00 US!

So they must still be worth plenty.

SilentAssassin · Feb 09, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

200 dollars for 120 ectos?

omg, and ppl buy this stuff? What a strange world lol

fiery · Feb 09, 2006, 02:51 PM // 14:51

ebayers, ick.

Razorian · Feb 10, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

I think FoW armor looks really cool. But its not hard to get....its just time consuming to get - there is a difference. Fow is not "hard" - lol. Personally, when I see someone with FoW armor I usually tell them "nice armor" because I think its cool looking but I do not make assumptions about their skill level because lets be honest - if I wanted I could get FoW armor anytime I wanted - its called Ebay. While I personally refuse to pay for fake money with real money, the fact is that plenty of people have done it and you never really know who.

Short story long, FoW armor looks cool to me (some of it anyway) and I'd like to get a set someday.....but it has zero relation to player skill level.

Cherno · Feb 10, 2006, 01:50 PM // 13:50

I don't know if they cranked up the drop rate on ectos or we just really lucky.

Last night during a tomb raid within the first two maps 5 ectos dropped. 2 for the same person.

Earlier I had gone to UW and 2 dropped.

Then after tombs went back to underworld and 3 dropped.

I wound up with 4 ecto drops yesterday and a Saphire. I've never seen that much drop in such a short time before.

Peewee · Feb 10, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

hmm, i knew it would happen eventually. Many people simply dont want FoW armour, too expensive, and may be obsolete come factions. Thats why ecto price is going down. Shards have stayed relatively constant, mainly becuase they have always been lower, and have not suddenly become more easily obtainable.

Rubys and Sapphires on the other hand have been steadily rising in price recently, by as much as 100%. they used to vary between 3-4k, now they got from 6-7k. The reason is, as some people have pointed out, is that they dont actually do anything. yet. The yet is the important bit. In a article on Gamespot about factions (some time ago i think) it mentions that development staff have to find a use for rubys and sapphires equal to the worth collectors have given them. If they are simply left as such, essentially massive depression will occur, with rubys and sapphires worth nothing. Its important to remember that currency is simple a token, a voucher if you will. Like gold, rubys and sapphires are subject to inflation, and deflation. If ANET massively devalue the rubys and sapphires, many peoples wealth will be serverely diminished. Personally, i have been collecting rubys for some time now, hoping to make a profit. At the moment i have made a 2k profit on every ruby/sapphire i own. The question is now, will ruby and sapphire prices go up further, stabalise, or crash in the near future. Its all about playing the exchange rates, buying low, selling high, and making a profit.

It will be interesting to see if rubys and sapphires are worth over 10k when factions eventually comes. Of course, relative to gold is imposible to say, as gold may be worth more/less come factions, depending on how easiliy it is obtainable.

All in all, like real life economy, GW economy is confusing, and all messed up. Personally i am going to put all my chips down, and hope that rubys and sapphires are ot undervalued. It could be the case that i am better to sell them now, then continue bying them, but it is the risk i run, Ectos, i would advise that you keep them, and dont sell them quite yet. There price continues to fall, and i would not be surprised that their worth rockets again come factions, when people realise that they are still required, and/or that factions armour is not all its cracked up to be.

Tijger · Feb 10, 2006, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by Peewee

Posted a nice theory...

Why would Anet care one bit if ppl are silly enough to spend fortunes on what basically are worthless items? If tomorrow players start hoarding monstrous eyes or claws and they become very valuable do you really beleive Anet would change the game so they did anything?

I'd say it would be the ultimate goldsink and I'll laugh for a week if rubies and sapphires turn out to be equally useless in Ch 2 which I highly suspect will be the case

Lord Dobo · Feb 11, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by Tijger

Why would Anet care one bit if ppl are silly enough to spend fortunes on what basically are worthless items? If tomorrow players start hoarding monstrous eyes or claws and they become very valuable do you really beleive Anet would change the game so they did anything?

I'd say it would be the ultimate goldsink and I'll laugh for a week if rubies and sapphires turn out to be equally useless in Ch 2 which I highly suspect will be the case

I disagree. Anet has to consider goodwill. Sure it's too late to really complain about anything in the game we already paid for, but if they want people to keep buying their products, they need to make sure they don't alienate those likely to pay for it. And who is more invested in a game than someone who plays enough to aquire a fortune in materials? (Other than E-bay scum, but then again, they may just buy the expansions anyway if they are willing to just throw REAL money away on a temporary boost in a game.)

I've done the math, and I've had a total of 900k+, but I've spent every gold coin. I have no investments stashed away (other than candy canes) so I'm not really biased here. I just think it would be silly for them to keep jewels around that do nothing. They call them rare crafting materials after all. Otherwise just make them collector items, like candy cane shards were.

And I was thinking about armors that you would craft in the next game. Part of me wants them to have nicer effects than what you find in this game, but part of me thinks that would be unfair. If someone only had that game, or just buys it first, why should they get all the cool stuff? So I tend to think that things will be different, but equal... in all regards. So they might have stuff we want, and we will have stuff they will want. So a balance might be maintained.

And I bet, to get people to buy both products, they need to have stuff that you need both games for (like the quests they already mentioned.) An example is the jewels that maybe you have to get in this game and have to use in that one. And maybe they will have stuff that you can only find there to use at a crafter here? Part of me thinks that they haven't thought that through though... sigh... so who knows really...