Curse

Symbol · Feb 15, 2006, 07:56 AM // 07:56

People use sundering because GW, like most online games, has a large population of morons.

Sagius Truthbarron · Feb 15, 2006, 08:07 AM // 08:07

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

If that's a significant increase... she never noticed in the first place.

Plus we now know why she comes home late smiling.

Becuase you're playing Guild Wars while shese fast asleep inside your dreams? o.o Lawl! Gamers don't have Girlfriends. That's like saying girls play video games! ROFL!

Alot of people arecomparing Sundering to Vampiric. What about Sundering vs Mastery?

Epinephrine · Feb 15, 2006, 02:15 PM // 14:15

Sundering is crap - one of the many reasons I am baffled by Drago's Bow being 2-3X the cost of Drago's Vampiric Bow, which is by far the better option. People are dumb though, and will pay insane money for crap because they don't bother to understand the game.

As to sundering vs. Mastery, the dminishing returns of mastery hurt performance a bit, but you can get a +2 bonus to damage from skills (for melee, probably +1 from missile), 20% of the time, and if you already have a 12+ in the weapon it adds 3.5% roughly to your base damage, 20% of the time. For example, on a bowshot, this could work out to a point of damage, 20% of the time, or .2 damage on average, the bonus skill damage could thus be as much as .2 as well, if you only use skills; if you use about 50% skills it would only be .1 bonus. Still, 0.3 damage bonus on average is about what the Sundering gives, so you are on pretty much the same footing! On a melee weapon you may do a bit better, as many skills are +2 damage per level.

If you are at 11 in the weapon attribute or less the mastery grip beats the sundering hands down, as it gives ~9% on base damage per level, so at level 11 in the attribute 2.45 damage per triggered bowshot (example), Sundering which acts only half as often would need to add 4.9 or so to beat it, which it doesn't.

-Loki- · Feb 16, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

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Originally Posted by Epinephrine

Sundering is crap - one of the many reasons I am baffled by Drago's Bow being 2-3X the cost of Drago's Vampiric Bow, which is by far the better option.

Theres your answer.

TheArrow · Feb 16, 2006, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Basically people are complete morons and are paying for rarity.

MMSDome · Feb 16, 2006, 12:49 AM // 00:49

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Originally Posted by Malchior Devenholm

noone knows azunder-as for personal experience from me...

Bow-Vamp String

Hammer and Axe-Furious-high adrenal needed

Sword-Vamp-low adren needed

I kinda like to have a sundering on one of my longbows though, just for the draw and i might pick up the extra dmg

depends i prefer zealous for my axe because i only use about 1 adreniline skill and the rest have energy requirements

yomom1919 · Feb 16, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

people do like there pedicure, even if they wear sneakers =).

AeroLion · Feb 16, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

depends i prefer zealous for my axe because i only use about 1 adreniline skill and the rest have energy requirements

I sure hope you're not trying to do damage.

MMSDome · Feb 16, 2006, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by AeroLion

I sure hope you're not trying to do damage.

o yes i am trying to, have fun with the skill bar.

(skill bar and everything left on purpose)

Haggard · Feb 16, 2006, 01:21 AM // 01:21

well, now i'm moderately comforted that the 14^50 fellblade i found the other day was furious not sundering.. and equally glad i put dragos flat at the end of my priorities list

Sofia Sofia Sofia · Feb 16, 2006, 01:54 AM // 01:54

The poisonner's bowstring works way better in PvE

In PvP you used the 10/10 on your "off bow" simply cause you need a bow without the Vamp.

draxynnic · Feb 16, 2006, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by Rilder

I find elemental mods to be of more use here, especialy whenyou got the right conjure

Agreed.

A lot of PvE opponents, especially in late-game, seem to have higher Physical armour than Elemental.

I was worried before going into the Ring of Fire that my Flame Warrior's armanents wouldn't be so effective against the (mostly) fire-dwelling inhabitants of the Ring. After some experimentation, however, I soon found that I was still doing more damage with the fiery sword (for the record, the +15% damage when enchanted collector's longword from the desert with Fiery and Enchanting mods, not a FDS, though I do carry one of the latter for amusement value) than with a physical sword with the same damage range (note that I wasn't using any enchantments at the time).

Marksmen of Hell · Mar 07, 2006, 11:52 PM // 23:52

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Originally Posted by XtrmEend

I notice atleast +15 damage when the 10% kicks in.

+15 dmg once every 10 hits or +50 dmg over 10 hits. I wonder which one is better?

btw, i use a vampiric flatbow with FW(+6dmg), kindle arow(+18dmg), and conjure flame(+10 dmg) for an added +39 dmg to the base dmg of the bow PER HIT (+78 for dual shot and +53 + AP with pen attack), and using tigers fury, your dmg output will be between 200-300 dmg every 4 secs.

Mandy Memory · Mar 08, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

Assuming anyone cares about this month old topic.

Sundering is good as a switch off, assuming you dont like elemental or conditions.

Furious and Vamp are way better.

Sir Mad · Apr 04, 2006, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Well first off, I think posting to only say that surrending users are morons is a bit cheap...

Just a quick story before I try to defend surrending bow strings:

In the tombs:
X: Why are you using a poisonous bow here? lmao!
Me: Because I dont only play here and can't afford to buy 50 perfect short bows with different strings. D'OH!
Y: I'm wielding a Surrending stormbow of fortitude!
(after a few seconds)
Me: You don't ask her why she's using a surrending string vs unarmored monsters?

Yeah, I defintly agree with the fact that most of the players don't know how to use a surrending, and don't even realize that its bonus works only against some kind of ennemies.

But still...

Let's have a look at the different strings available:
Fiery String
Ebon String
Icy String
Shocking String
Poisoners String
Zealous String
Vampiric String
Sundering String
Marksmanship String
(let's forget the charrslaying etc strings, despite the fact that they can be really usefull if you use to farm most of the time in the same place)

Concerning the elemental strings, their bonus may be really good for farming if you equip the right bow against the right monster (which implies to have lots of money to invest in many good bows) but are not that useful in PvP unless combined with some skills (ex: firey string+mark of Rodgort), or even ridiculous (I love when my oponent keeps using his firey weapon while I have my drakescale on :P).

Poisoners strings now: I used to have that equiped (and I still have a poisonous bow) but it's only useful in PvP when you put some presure on the opposing monks in poisoning everybody one by one. The length of apply poison is enough to keep anyone poisoned if you keep tagetting him since you'll hit him every 2 secs or so - even if you miss one time he'll still be poisoned. And in PvE the 1st strategy is useless (poisoning everybody), therefore: not needed at all.

Zealous String: yeah that's useful but only to help regen when you're energy is low. Zealous bows are typically the kind of bows you only use when needed, before switching again to a more "conventional" bow. That's different for other weapons however.

Vampiric Strings: here we go, the so loved vampiric. 5 extra damages with a perfect vampiric, I guess everybody agrees with the fact that's great. Yeah, but there is the malus. -1 health degen. In a PvE barrage built you can forget it (the malus I mean). But when you're under preasure in a tight fight, umm. Use the vampiric when you're fine. If you're in trouble, considering the fact that it takes 2sec minimum to shoot an arrow (without skills), that may just make you die quicker.

So what's left? Marksmanship. Marksmanship increases the damages dealt with your bow. More marks=more damages then. And it boosts some of your skills. Double bonus then. Definitly better than surending against unarmored foes. But... how +1 marks will increase your attack? Yeah 16 marks is better than 15 and 17 better than 16. But honestly, could you make the difference between a 16 marks ranger and a 17 marks ranger (with the string, and when lucky) just looking at his damage? Yeah you prolly deal 1 more damage, maybe 2? And what the point of having this string when you're not marks based? But still marks string may be great with some skills.

So remain... surrending strings.

All the strings have their own specificity, and their own correct use. If you want to compare surrending to another string, compare it to marks strings, not to vampiric strings. Again, vampiric strings are good but you cant compare them to surrending strings. The vamp malus make their possible use completly different.

Now I guess the only way to avoid an useless argue would be to go to the training camp next to the temple of Balthazar and test the damage dealt on the targets with 2 bows of the same kind, one perfect surrending, and one perfect marks. I bet on the surrending vs the armors. But again, marks also boosts your skills...

Yichi · Apr 04, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by crazy diamond

It's like increasing penis length by a quarter inch.

Nobody will notice but you.

OMFG. you owe me a keyboard for spitting half my iced tea all over mine

Seriously, people think that the chance of them doing another like 1 dmg point is worth the money to sepnd on it. there are so many more useful mods, but hey, if someone wants to spend the mney on a sundering mod, then ill sure sell them one.

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Originally Posted by Sir Mad

Marksmanship String

where is this string? oh thats right its a bowgrip

Cygnus_Zero · Apr 04, 2006, 07:04 PM // 19:04

There isn't many things that are actually greatly useful in this game, so you end up with a bunch of people trying to find something to love about nothing to keep them interested in the game and it also keeps their excitement going a little longer. There is really only a handful of things in this game which are incredibly useful and special, such as the HoD sword. Of course that costs like half a mil.

jules · Apr 04, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by crazy diamond

It's like increasing penis length by a quarter inch.

Nobody will notice but you.

That's hilarious.

I wonder how many threads like these it'll take for the mis-informed GW players to realise how bad this mod is. Every month or so some new thread opens about it and still these mods are still selling at high prices.

Kais Unduli · Apr 04, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

The only sundering mod I use is on one of my hammers. 'Cause hitting for over 100 dmg is fun.

I see the price slowly going down for perfect sundering mods. Maybe people finally figured it out?

Alleji · Apr 04, 2006, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

o yes i am trying to, have fun with the skill bar.

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(skill bar and everything left on purpose)

Try Elona Reach minos. They drop more cash.