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Mar 29, 2006, 02:28 AM // 02:28
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Underworld Spelunker
Join Date: Feb 2005
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 mind if i slip you a ray of hope?Gaile did not differentiate betweem the super elite control of town/city missions and the storyline missions. as Anet headand developers have said *there are a few super hardcore elite missions/quests geared to the control of a city/town* *these few ultra hardcore missions/quests are optional and will tax the best players* NOW THAT PLACES 99.99% OF THE PEOPLE YELLING I CANT HAVE IT IN THE POSITION OF WHEN THEY GET IT THEY WILL FAIL IT MISERABLY |
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Mar 29, 2006, 02:47 AM // 02:47
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: The Last Courage [EvIL]
Profession: R/W
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Yeah, I do kind of get that vibe, The Jade and Aspenwood mission/quests pretty much force it on PvE'ers.
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Mar 29, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12
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Academy Page
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Ontario, Canada
Guild: Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]
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They are exactly the same as HoH based PvE instances open through the Temple of Ages. People are just afraid of change, or know full-well their skills cannot handle a better game and are afraid they will fall out of place. It will be fine. Please just go spend the time you sit making silly postings and improve your skills. Perhaps one day the HealBot blues will be a marvel to the new level of skill even in the average PUG. As it stands now, they're doomed.
It is the player who makes the game, not the developer who caters to the vegetable. |
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Mar 29, 2006, 03:21 AM // 03:21
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Feb 2006
Profession: Mo/N
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Loviatar: thanks for trying but the key word in that quote on my post was faction. Not owning a city; Kurzick versus Luxon.
the renewable quests were a way to prevent people from having to PvP but still enjoy the majority of the PvE game. Without that, I don't see how people can change fation--maybe even retrieve enough fation to use merchants!--if they don't PvP. Some days I'm off my game. Or some days I don't feel like PuGing (and then there are all too many where the PuG just...SUX!). When i do, I don't want to be penalized becaue my standing with Luxon is too low; denied the option to help a guildie through a mission because I just sold off my points for Jadite. This takes away a point of easy swap between alliances for end-game players. Part of the communal PvE spirit I saw (admittidly in my own mind) is destroyed by Gaile's words. Instead of PvPvEers saying "Hey! Luxon's getting their butt kicked! less go help them you're relegated to only the other, mroe greedy option of 'Hey! Luxon's getting their butt kicked! Lets go...farm..."
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Mar 29, 2006, 04:16 AM // 04:16
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Having to constantly zero it out, means constant farming. Missions require 10k in the FPE, we've seen no indication that will be different in the full release. So, doing a mission will be nearly impossible unless you PvP or are online all the time to farm. Here's why: New armors 15k versions require the faction points for the items. So, if you want the armor, you have to spend the points. You'll need to constantly feed the alliance ladder so a heavy constant stream of faction points will have to be pouring in. Again, spending points. You want access to the missions? More points are needed to gain entrance (Jeff Strain said "purchasing entrance" with points - so unless they change this, or there are other points...), more points needed. Look at the amount of farming to get anything done. If you don't farm it, you PvP it. Now, here's the real kick in the pants. Say your a casual gamer, the gamer that Anet claims to be targeting. You log in Tuesday, farm your points, contribute to your alliance and log off, your time is up for the night. Wednesday you log on and find your alliance buddies are heading in for one of the elite missions. You can't join cause you aided your alliance ladder, now you get to go farm again. When your done farming, your buddies have already entered the mission and your time is almost up. Thurday night comes along and now your ready, but the border is moved and your locked out of the mission. Your hardcore buddies have already zero'd out their faction and are ready to enter the other sides elite mission cause they've faction farmed all day. Again, you're left out cause you haven't the time to farm non-stop. I am one of those life-less nitwits that play 6 to 8 hours a day, so this is a null issue for me. However, 90% of my guild is a casual gamer that plays at max two hours a day, but mostly one hour. That leaves me to finding PuGs to get the missions done. No thanks. It's not change we fighting against, it's change we're fighting for. Change the point system, change the locking of content, and for heaven's sake, change the players so we have toes... (Minus Sign gets that one). Also, it's late and I rambled... my apologies. Been a long day. |
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Mar 29, 2006, 04:25 AM // 04:25
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Banned
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: :P
Profession: E/Me
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You have to for give my spelling, I am what people call gifted. Enlgish is my worst subject. However it doesnot mean I am not Educated, In fact I am. They say I do have a very High IQ. But we both know IQ really means nothing. LOL I am respected in the field I am in right now. I am no Professor, I don't want to ever spend the time to become one, I am happy where I am. However I have to say, I know what I am talking about. Normally when I am writing a paper, It takes days. However you are on the net so I don't have the time to go over my work. for people who want to help in my grammer jsut send me an e-mail I will take the time to fix it. That being said I would like to know what kind of Professor are you. Just because your Professor does not mean you know alot on this subject of games people play. But not to you Professor I know that you know your terms. I personaly think that your views are just a little darken. I guess I am challenge you Professor to prove me wrong. Please don't use a big vocab LOL. I know how some Professor like to use them. I do have a very good vocab but I like things simple. I only use big words when I have no other way to express my self. LOL rpg terms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive...e-Playing_Game pve terms http://internetgames.about.com/od/glossary/g/pve.htm pvp terms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_player more terms on pvp http://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/PvP more terms on rpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game Now ask you self where does GW fit in these terms! Would you say that guild wars is an RPG? I Would give better details on terms but being this is the net I am limited. Last edited by dreamhunk; Mar 29, 2006 at 05:36 AM // 05:36.. |
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Mar 29, 2006, 09:41 AM // 09:41
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Some where in Cantha beyond the Petrified Forest and the Jade Sea
Guild: The Amazon Basin
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@Dreamhunk
First, off I would have to say spell check would help a lot (even if it is an email spell check). This will allow people that are not too familiar with the Typonese side of the English Language. Second, a large majority of RPG end game goals are PvP based. What AN is doing is tying them more closely together. They are not forcing you to Pvp they give the players some end-game content and from my understanding of factions pvp only effects pve in alliance stuff which in no way effects the storyline pve. During the event did AN force you to pvp to unlock stuff or did they force you to play in Fort Aspenwood or Jade Quarry. The answer to these would be no. The Choosing a side is tied to both the PvP portion and the PvE storyline as seen in the Kurzick Only Mission "The Eternal Grove" and the Luxon only mission "Gaya Hatchery" missions. Third, If you don't like the way AN has done GW just do not play it. A game full of with more PvE oriented content I would recommend for you would be Diablo II or Runescape to a lesser extent. These are just the free to play online games, but you could always get a Pay to Play game like WoW. WoW's game end-game is mainly PvP as well and you choose a side on there too. Another choice for an online Pay to Play would be Ever Quest. I believe AN has done a good job so far in what they have done with GW. They are not perfect, but nothing in the world is perfect and try not to judge GWF too harshly till you see what all it has to provide. The event this past weekend was only a sample of what you will see in the full game and remembers they do consider what the fine people that post on Fan sites like this one and many like it. AN is doing their best on GW and its following chapters so please bare with them. ~Konohamaru P.S. Acting like you know everything and are never wrong is never a good thing to post as everyone is wrong at times. |
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
Guild: Idiot Savants
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Mar 29, 2006, 03:09 PM // 15:09
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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The elite missions and elite content do concern me as much as any other player. I paid for it, I paid for access to it and they are my goals. Being locked out of it due to poor design (which is what I and so many others are concerned about) is not right. What I see your saying, and from what Jeff Strain has said in his interview on gamingsteve.com is that after Factions version of ascention, the casual gamer can go ahead and quit cause he/she is done and has little hope of getting into end game content (unless they are lucky). Because, at this point, we pick a side and begin the point farm and faction working. So, if the casual gamer stays, they are nothing more than a faction point farmer for his/her alliance (yea, that's fun - not) or again, they get really lucky. Unfortunatly, that scenario is completely realistic and not at all grasping. From one day to the next you can not know who will have control of the city, therefore you can not plan as a guild, group or alliance on what missions (elite or other wise) you want to do during the week. So spending faction points is risky yet needed. You don't care about the gold pieces cause they serve you little. I feel the same about points. Those "trinkets" are what the goals of a PvE player are, and is why the farming is needed. Thus we have the distinct differences of the play styles showing. You also say that Faction would be a complete failure if the casual gamer can gain access to the elite content. I say Factions is a complete failure if they can't gain access to it. There's no reason at all that each and every person that pays for the game not be able to enjoy the game in the way they find fun. Locking content is not fair no matter how one looks at it. I for one would enjoy seeing all PvP arenas and 12v12 battles locked out untill enough faction points are farmed and spent to gain access. One battle for 10k faction points. Battle is over, farming time again. See, not fair nor fun. If single alliances are able to hold and monopolize cities and missions, the system is broken and a complete and utter failure. If only a couple of alliances are able to do the same, then Anet has failed in it's "balanced" game play. Every single alliance should have access to this content at one point or another. I know that goes against everything competitive about the build, but again, some of us don't want the competitve game play. We want the new elite missions and drops we were told we could get. Anet can't seriously think to force all it's players into alliance farming teams, that's just... I don't even have a word for that nonsence. That's just not even fun. Since "failure" is obviously a point of view term, it can apply both ways, can we agree on that? Quote:
In close, the point of view I see constantly from those that enjoy PvE and PvP is that Factions is going to be great. Oddly, that's what I keep saying and keep getting ripped for saying. As the conversation grows, those that ripped me for saying Factions is great for people that enjoy both are suddenly saying the same thing or saying the game is competitive based (PvP - and again what I had said before). I have also heard time and again, that PvE is easy and is nothing but a farm-fest. I agree with that as well and when offering up possible improvements to the PvE game, "Stop signs" are placed up with no way around them. Instead of shooting down any and all possible improvements to the game, how about some suggestions that do not pit players vs players. So it seems to me, once we've "ascended" in Factions; PvE need not apply unless you want to farm* almost non-stop. Casual gamers need not apply as you'll not be granted access to elite areas "unless Factions is an utter failure" - that sounds like a fun game to me. Jeff Strain says in his interview that "ascention" in Factions happens much faster than it did in Chapter 1. I believe the ratio was Chapter 1 to ascention was 40% of game time, and in Factions it's 10% to 20%. *Yes, there are quests and missions to do. But, once those are done? Farm. And I say again, why farm points when you can farm gold and have the cash you'll want for Chapter 3 in six months? Makes no since to me. |
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Mar 29, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19
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Academy Page
Join Date: Feb 2006
Guild: [soLo]
Profession: Me/
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Anet cares about one thing: $$
If it pisses off the entire player base but brings in twice as many people who know absolutely nothing about anything than they will do it. Theyre pretty careless and look at things as a business rather than it just being an enjoyable game. Thats why im not buying Factions and if this were PayToPlay I would've canceled my account a very long time ago. The fact that its free is the only thing that keeps me coming back from time to time. In Conclusion: Anet = Careless Bigots. |
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Mar 29, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Anchorage Alaska
Guild: Haz Team [HT]
Profession: R/W
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Mar 29, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09
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Banned
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: :P
Profession: E/Me
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I have play alot of these mmorpg alot of them are weak when it comes RPG. However at least they are putting the RPG first and working on it, Pvp is a after thought. The compies that are making mmorpg main focus is RPG. Not the other way around. Another thing never did I say I know ever thing! I don't have a professor tittle. I know alot on this subject more than the average person. I don't need to go in to my full background. Some of quests stories are not even well developed. I am also saying that Anet needs work on what pve players want not force them in things they don't want to do. Last note maybe Anet doesn't care who buys this game. Maybe your right they are only after my money. If they care so much why are they forcing me to play pvp. Why are they locking me out of end game stuff? Why has not the rpg gotten better after all the fourms posts people have talked about. All I hear coming from Anet is pvp, pvp, pvp and pvp! I don't even hear any thing about RPG! People can't even say GW is RPG base or not. It is not clear to alot of people out there. You are getting alot of people calling this a pvp game not a RPG! If that is the case it is miss leading to people buying this product! If you want futher proof of this ask I and I will show you! P.S If you are taking on a Professor tittle you better know your stuff. Last edited by dreamhunk; Mar 29, 2006 at 06:32 PM // 18:32.. |
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Mar 29, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Anchorage Alaska
Guild: Haz Team [HT]
Profession: R/W
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the PVP content in the game account for less the 25% of the game. I don't know why you people are always crying about lack of RPG in the game. There is tons of stuff do do outside of the Battle Ilse or Alliance battles... I think you just don't like the style of RPG it is. and as such complain a lot. None of the other MMORPGs did it any better or worse then anet. Maybe larger mobs and parties, but that is not what I personally want in a game... That is why I came to GW. not PvP, Not Free to play. but the aspects of instances... Which is much like another popular yet aging game called Phantasy Star Online. same concept Towns and outposts where everyone forms parties then they go into private instances for the missions and quests... Adds to alot of re-playability to the game.
It is a game, not a way of life... I don't want a RPG that included biological movements, and the requirement to do tedious farming and grinding to accomplish a minor task like upgrading armor or weapons... I want to walk into a game and play for a few hours a day or a few hours a week, and it not matter one way or another in the game. I can go gungho like I did over the event weekend and play for 50+hours over the weekend, or I can pop on for an hour or two and play with some friends in HoH or doing a quest or mission or something... Can you say the same of games like EQ2, or WoW, or Matrix online, Or linage 2, Or Galaxies? Nope! those game require so much attention that if you leave the game for something else (LIKE REAL LIFE!) on occasion, you really cut your own throat in the game cause getting into groups is pretty hard then... Same if your new to the game. If your a new player in WoW you have ZERO chance of getting with a good party for a very very long time. Maybe after 2 months of hard grinding nonstop, you will be up to a level that you will be accepted into groups for ZG. Or whatever. I guess I was lucky in WoW I was with a good group in Beta that I played with when I wanted too. and it was never a big deal, but when I lost contact with some of them and interest in WoW, it was really not worth the effort in playing anymore... I moved on to GW because it was just what I wanted a casual players MMORPG, and just about everyone I played with during the original betas are still playing the game today, so that was a big thing for me... And it was easy on the wallet to boot. Unlike all the other games I have sitting on my shelve gathering dust now... Last edited by =HT=Ingram; Mar 29, 2006 at 06:47 PM // 18:47.. |
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Mar 29, 2006, 06:56 PM // 18:56
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jun 2005
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I must say that I am happy with Guild Wars and I am a PvE only person. Due to the fact that I have a full time job, a wife, and a 2 year old little boy I don't have the time to "practice" PvP. I wish that I could do more PvP but who would want me. I am not rank 6+ or whatever the standard is for today. In fact, I am rank nothing and I have been playing GW the beta weekends.
This is where these arguments of PvE and PvP stem from. I have ascended 4 characters and my wife has ascended 3. We have never seen between the 2 of us a Sup Vigor, Sup Absorbtion, or any of the truly great max gold weapons. Between the 2 of us we have roughly 800-900 hours of play time. Yet a PvP only person can farm some fame and "Buy" this good stuff. A PvP player can also switch armor around at will to get the best effect by just making a new player. For me to get the best effect from my armor I have to buy multiple pieces of armor and runes to go with that armor. This process can cost many 10s of thousands of plat. Oh well, I will just stick to my little PvE world and hope I dont miss out on anything because the Elite PvP players don't want me around learning from them. |
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Mar 29, 2006, 07:12 PM // 19:12
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Banned
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: :P
Profession: E/Me
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If Anet cares so much they should find a better way for people to have acess elite missions and all fun stuff about pve! If Anet cears they will works on what pve or rpg players love and wants! Where is the fun for everyone bite that Anet promised! |
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Mar 29, 2006, 07:29 PM // 19:29
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: North Carolina
Profession: N/Me
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Well now for a long time I was one of the voices crying out about unfairness towards PvE but after thinking it over very carefully I've determined that they do the best they can to give everyone what they want. The reason PvP is the way it is is because PvPers have to bring their own content to the game. Honestly there are only so many interations of death matches and capture the flag you can run before it gets old. We PvE people on the other hand get new weapons and armor and monsters every time they make a new game not to mention the periodic updates and add ons.
I think the best bet is for the PvE population to find ways to enjoy what we have been given just like the PvP people have to do. |
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Mar 29, 2006, 07:34 PM // 19:34
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: :P
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Mar 29, 2006, 08:01 PM // 20:01
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Mar 29, 2006, 08:18 PM // 20:18
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: :P
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When you look at jeff stat ments you hear nothing about pve or rpg for that matter. all you really hear is pvp and what pvp will get. I also think think you asume to fast. I am far from a type of guy who thinks he knows everything. Now if anet cares so much why is the things that Pve want are not a addressed. For exmple the EOE update who are they really crating too. You are having pvp players saying this is not an RPG game, it is a pvp! there is very little role playing in GW game, I only see more pvp. |
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Mar 29, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20
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Underworld Spelunker
Join Date: Feb 2005
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i think this is one of the best ideas on this or any thread.i am completely PVE and still find things to do besides farming. i also have a permanent character in presear for vacations and expect to keep a new character in the Cantha monestary as Gaile said itwas even nicer than presear. |
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