Curse

Phaern Majes · Apr 07, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by CyberNigma

I was thinking about that recently. I believe GW's EULA clearly states in there that all names, characters, etc submitted to the game become the property of ArenaNet/NCSoft. I could be wrong, though. When I get home I'll check it out again. If this is the case, then you'd really only need ANet's consent to use it and not the player's consent.

That may be the case, but I believe Guru has strict rules about using names without the owners permission. This way people don't find themselves being unanimously hated, despite whether or not they deserve it. I'd think that Anet gives up those rights by letting their gamers screenshot. Isn't that the point of taking a screenshot, so you can show people? Its not like you are stealing their names or characters. Anyways you might be right, let me know.

To everyone else that says its the OP's fault, please never ever ever ever ever group with me. My IGN <------- right there. I hate people who steal other peoples drops. It doesn't matter what the reason is for them not picking it up.

Seriously, if you're in the UW say with a full party, and say for some reason 2 groups of smites got pulled. And the first smite drops an ecto for the healer. You're telling me that healer should blatantly disregard healing anyone until he picks up that ecto, and die shortly after doing so? Meanwhile the rest of the party dies, due to lack of healing. So thats around 30 smites that go unkilled in that run, not to mention several quests that could of been done. All for the your greed to pick up an item? Way to ruin peoples day. If that monk would of just waited and kept people healed, then despite the fact that it may of been unassigned, its still his. Everyone in the group would know that it was his. They would also know that if he had just ran after it, they probably would of died. So I fail to see why he shouldn't still get it.

Above situation is hypothetical. But it is a common situation and has happened to my groups in other areas. As it has likely happened to several of you in one way or another.

CyberNigma · Apr 07, 2006, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by Phaern Majes

That may be the case, but I believe Guru has strict rules about using names without the owners permission. This way people don't find themselves being unanimously hated, despite whether or not they deserve it. I'd think that Anet gives up those rights by letting their gamers screenshot. Isn't that the point of taking a screenshot, so you can show people? Its not like you are stealing their names or characters. Anyways you might be right, let me know. To everyone else that says its the OP's fault, please never ever ever ever ever group with me. My IGN <------- right there. I hate people who steal other peoples drops. It doesn't matter what the reason is for them not picking it up.

Yeah, I'll check it out later on.

Regardless, I wouldn't start posting names because whether the players 'own' it or ANet 'owns' it and allows screenshots, it's still the forum owner's policy. I do understand the point of being wrongfully accused, and unlike in the real world they can't real get someone in the forums for slander because ANet controls all the evidence :-) It should be considered though, that it's the player's permission and not the owners. If it is to prevent someone from getting wrongfully accused, that's one thing, but if it were to protect someone's property, well that's another (character name, etc)..

Matsumi · Apr 07, 2006, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by Phaern Majes

Seriously, if you're in the UW say with a full party, and say for some reason 2 groups of smites got pulled. And the first smite drops an ecto for the healer. You're telling me that healer should blatantly disregard healing anyone until he picks up that ecto, and die shortly after doing so? Meanwhile the rest of the party dies, due to lack of healing. So thats around 30 smites that go unkilled in that run, not to mention several quests that could of been done. All for the your greed to pick up an item? Way to ruin peoples day. If that monk would of just waited and kept people healed, then despite the fact that it may of been unassigned, its still his. Everyone in the group would know that it was his. They would also know that if he had just ran after it, they probably would of died. So I fail to see why he shouldn't still get it.

I was merely just suggesting some counter-measures to having your drops stolen in that particular area. UW and FoW are completely different situations. In tombs, it's all about the greens at the end for most people. If you go for the darknesses first, it would be better to pick them up quick before getting ambushed by the mobs surrounding the darknesses. I don't think it was his fault for not getting his, just saying that I don't find it hard to go over (as a monk), and stand over my drop while healing people, click on the drop, and continue healing everyone so that we all don't die. I've been in groups before where I had my drops stolen, so instead of becoming a victim again, I just come up with ways to counter it, that's all. Sorry if anyone thinks that's greedy, I don't, wish I wouldn't have to do that, but what else are you going to do? Expect everyone to have the same good morals that some of us have all the time? I don't trust very many people to have the same good morals that I do (especially in games), but if they do, good. To me, it's an issue of trust, not greed.

Count to Potato · Apr 07, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

Somone else told a similiar story on these forums, i think wat happened was the monk didn't res him so he coudnt get his item wat a #@!@$

keldean rainmaker · Apr 07, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

please pm me the name of the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing guy that pick other ppls green..i do tombs frequently,and to all the people that says it was the OP fault for not getting his green ASAP,dont even dare to add me in your farming groups.this is some bullshit.It was obvious that although we cant hope for another person to have same moral value as us,but atleast they should know that they live in a society that values good over evil.

Mimi Miyagi · Apr 07, 2006, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by keldean rainmaker

please pm me the name of the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing guy that pick other ppls green..i do tombs frequently,and to all the people that says it was the OP fault for not getting his green ASAP,dont even dare to add me in your farming groups.this is some bullshit.It was obvious that although we cant hope for another person to have same moral value as us,but atleast they should know that they live in a society that values good over evil.

The player with the drop is responsible for his drops, not anyone else. Tombs is a special case - the whole trip's purpose is to get the green items at the end. You're given more than ample opportunity to pick up the items laying on the ground, and I doubt any group would get pissed at you if a Bulwark fell for you and you dropped whatever you were doing and picking it up. If you leave it there for 2 minutes even after the darkness are all dead, that's simply stupidity. There is no point in worrying about fighting some monsters after the greens are dropped.

And expecting honor in a PUG is hilarious. In a guild run, it's one thing (but it still happens, I'm sure), but in a PUG it's every man woman and child for themselves. Lord knows I've seen enough "bad" behavior to get jaded in all aspects of GW, not just PUGs. Kiddies sacrificing themselves during RA to screw the team, scammers, people that go AFK during a PvP game (RA/TA/HA/GvG), Necro MMs that build up a huge army, then kill themselves just to watch his army kill his teammates...list is almost endless.

Face it, it could be worse, you could be enjoying the ninja looting in WoW.

Spiteful Soul · Apr 07, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by DFrost

Excuse me? If you would have taken the time to read my post, you might have noticed that I stated two problems:
-Not getting drops that have been assigned to you
-Getting wiped at places where you have to return to outpost and start over

Whether it be UW, FOW, SF, Tombs or missions, those apply. Why you dragged farming into this, I'll never know. The same problems arise just as well when a group of people try to play casually and there's one idiot in the group. Does it really matter if your 15^50 fellblade gets jacked during a 5-man Oro run or while completing Thunderhead Keep?

I also tried to offer a possible solution for the problem, but hey, if discussing things makes you bored, I guess throwing shit around randomly works too

Noob give it a break you still don't make sense.
Why I dragged farming into this? Well if you where to get
yourself out of pre searing you will know. The Tombs is a farming
area. If you don't know what you are talking about don't post.
We don't want to hear a story from you. Where you got your
ass kicked from a low lvl area cause you wanted a 50g item.

Spiteful Soul · Apr 07, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

The player with the drop is responsible for his drops, not anyone else. Tombs is a special case - the whole trip's purpose is to get the green items at the end. You're given more than ample opportunity to pick up the items laying on the ground, and I doubt any group would get pissed at you if a Bulwark fell for you and you dropped whatever you were doing and picking it up. If you leave it there for 2 minutes even after the darkness are all dead, that's simply stupidity. There is no point in worrying about fighting some monsters after the greens are dropped.

And expecting honor in a PUG is hilarious. In a guild run, it's one thing (but it still happens, I'm sure), but in a PUG it's every man woman and child for themselves. Lord knows I've seen enough "bad" behavior to get jaded in all aspects of GW, not just PUGs. Kiddies sacrificing themselves during RA to screw the team, scammers, people that go AFK during a PvP game (RA/TA/HA/GvG), Necro MMs that build up a huge army, then kill themselves just to watch his army kill his teammates...list is almost endless.

Face it, it could be worse, you could be enjoying the ninja looting in WoW.

holy shit....
Almost the same thing I posted but with more detail.
This is so True

Greedy Gus · Apr 08, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by keldean rainmaker

to all the people that says it was the OP fault for not getting his green ASAP,dont even dare to add me in your farming groups.

Don't worry.

Pandora's box · Apr 08, 2006, 11:23 AM // 11:23

Its weird. When its about PvP matches where players join to harvest fast Faction points everyone agrees that its bad when players leave premature, letting down their party. But when its about PvE farming I hear several reactions [nana-na-nana (long nose) own fault, blabla] in a situation thats much worse than abandoning the party: pure robbery!

Sure, there are no rules that say you may not pick up items after the personal drop lock is lifted, just as there are no rules that say you are not allowed to leave a match when you think your team cant win. But both are simply unacceptable, so new rules have to be added. A prolongued time to reserve drops seems the best solution here.

Greedy Gus · Apr 08, 2006, 01:13 PM // 13:13

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Originally Posted by Pandora's box

Its weird. When its about PvP matches where players join to harvest fast Faction points everyone agrees that its bad when players leave premature, letting down their party. But when its about PvE farming I hear several reactions [nana-na-nana (long nose) own fault, blabla] in a situation thats much worse than abandoning the party: pure robbery!

Sure, there are no rules that say you may not pick up items after the personal drop lock is lifted, just as there are no rules that say you are not allowed to leave a match when you think your team cant win. But both are simply unacceptable, so new rules have to be added. A prolongued time to reserve drops seems the best solution here.

While someone leaving a random group at the start of PvP arena battle and playing poorly in PvE while leaving your drops on the ground so long that someone else can pick them up may seem similar

, in reality they're not. That's a false analogy.

Your conclusion was similarly ridiculous. Because you find two practices "unacceptable", new rules "have to" be added to prevent them? Give me a break. Do you know how long it takes for a drop to lose its assignment? Of course you don't. You were taken in by an emotional story and decided to stick up for a fellow carebear. The fact is, the assignment part of a dropped item disappears after exactly 5 minutes. If you are honestly going to sit here and argue that this needs to be extended, I'm astonished. That's more than plenty of time. I'd say it's already on the long side.

Pandora's box · Apr 08, 2006, 03:42 PM // 15:42

This is not a political discussion where every decission has to be discussed in details before someone can accept the responsibillity to take action lol! Solutions need to be both sober and effective. It does not matter if its about 1, 5, or 10 minutes. What matters is that it only takes 2 minutes programming to set the counter from 5 minutes to 15. Problem solved!

And it does not hurt anyone exept potentional abusers.

Farmermancer · Apr 08, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38

This is nothing compared to Diablo 2 where you would need to actually cheat to have a shot at picking up an item worth anything.

Str0b0 · Apr 08, 2006, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Originally Posted by Farmermancer

This is nothing compared to Diablo 2 where you would need to actually cheat to have a shot at picking up an item worth anything.

For real. If you weren't soloing the boss runs for items then you better have Pickit otherwise you're not getting anything good. And forget an Uber D kill for the if he hits in a run game. Then every goober goes after him and you have to fight for your anni.

Sha Noran · Apr 08, 2006, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

For real. If you weren't soloing the boss runs for items then you better have Pickit otherwise you're not getting anything good. And forget an Uber D kill for the if he hits in a run game. Then every goober goes after him and you have to fight for your anni.

Tu hablas ingles? :-P Kidding.

Anyway, I'm sorry but if you joined a PuG group for the sole purpose of getting a green, then got one and didn't pick it up then you are simply a moron. How can you expect someone to not pick it up?

That said, you did mention that the one who ninja'd the items was the party leader... was he instructing you to NOT get your items and instead to continue the fight until the end? Because if he was then it's different... then he tricked you out of your items and its not really your fault (although, leaving it is a bad idea in any case, but at least this puts SOME blame on the dude).

If that wasn't what happened, well then... welcome to PvE. Now you know. :-/

Kool Pajamas · Apr 08, 2006, 10:44 PM // 22:44

No matter what, what the guy did was really really bad.

But whenever a green drops for me, I grab it as soon as I possibly can.

J3mo · Apr 08, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

FFS (And i dont mean the fiery flame spitter) that is lame !!
But do they count it as a violation?
I mean they wont get un-assigned for nothing

Hunter Sharparrow · Apr 08, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26

I once had a gold armor drop for me while doing a sorrows run however we ended up aggroing a second group leaving us with Yakslapper and a Dolyak Master side by side and varrious other enemies. It was a 5 man and 3 of us died including myself but not before dwindling the groups down to just the yakslapper, necro and cleaver. Two left the group and the remaining two (bonder and stance) rezed me (SS) but by the time they got around to it the armor (that dropped after I had died) was up for grabs and it was the bonder who took it on me. So I stood there. I was being attacked but with a Dwarf healer NPC nearby I couldn't be killed and without my ss and interupt they couldn't kill the three enemies. So the bonder started to get low on energy and was telling me to help so I told him "drop the armor and I'll drop the enemies". He started complaining calling me this and that and even said that I didn't have what it takes to take out the enemies and was just using the armor as an excuse. I just repeated the same line. So he gave in after the warrior noticed what was going on and started after him as well (I guess he had the same mentality about drops as myself, the OP of this post and a few others who replied). After picking up the item I took control and got them to pull the three enemies together where I used ss, echo and backfire to take out all three at once. The Yakslapper green dropped for me. Perfect reward for putting a thief in his place.

The assignment of drops needs a definite fix. I believe a suggestion on this topic has already been made on the forum. Take a look.