Curse

jciardha · Apr 12, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by d4nowar

Uh oh, I envoked the mesmers wrath. Let me clear something up.

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Say whatever soothing words you wish to attempt to salvage yourself, but I shan't believe you, so long as your location beneath your avatar remains unchanged.

Furthermore, Chaos Storm was crap before the AOE change, it was even more so after the AOE change. At least it's still effective in PVP, where I find most human players to be less intelligent than the AI when it comes to moving out of it.

Killmur · Apr 12, 2006, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Just got through skimming\reading this article and wow... I love my Ele but my plan is to redo her under Factions. However since I plan on going Earth Ele I might just do a Me/E instead. From my playtime with the FPE I noticed that the enemy AI was tougher and quicker on the ball than the Core AI is. To be quite honest I would rather have the Fast Cast instead of 70-80 Energy in Factions. Plus I have the Galigord's Stone Staff which would give me around 45 Energy in total I think. However I am more into Illusion than the other Mesmer Attributes because imho I found Illusion skills to be quite powerful.

jules · Apr 12, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by d4nowar

Sorry, I meant main class mesmer is worthless in pve.

Runes anyone?

The mesmer is one of the most versatile and fun classes to play in the game. And the female mesmer is gorgeous.

Francis Demeules · Apr 12, 2006, 01:42 AM // 01:42

The thing with mesmer, you can do many builds in PvE. Mostly Ele (Sorry for those who feels targeted on what I will say) must do nuking like everyone else to get a group. I played mostly all professions (except primary monk) and I know how they work.

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Originally Posted by TruePlayer

Ele/Me (playing Mesmer) --> Lots of Mana(80+), not highest damage (runes!)

Me/Ele (playing Mesmer) --> Less Mana(40+), ideal damage (runes), Fast Cast

Choose Elementalist, Energy Storage makes him a good allrounder!

Yes, so what? Ele skills cost around 5-25 (most 15) and exhaust to get less benefit on the energy storage.

Mesmer is 5-15 and the highest is 25 with one skill: Panic (Without Exhaust).

Each have their own benefit around their skills when you know how to play it.

They're still good in both PvE and PvP. Players must know that. Fastcasting has its own place in PvE too.

If you go to mesmer, go for it. Same for Elemantalist.

In my experience, I get tired of Ele for one and only thing:"GLF NUKERZ!!!" .GW becomes a "non-original" with the same copy/paste builds these days

Killmur · Apr 12, 2006, 01:53 AM // 01:53

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Originally Posted by Francis Demeules

The thing with mesmer, you can do many builds in PvE. Mostly Ele (Sorry for those who feels targeted on what I will say) must do nuking like everyone else to get a group. I played mostly all professions (except primary monk) and I know how they work.

Yes, so what? Ele skills cost around 5-25 (most 15) and exhaust to get less benefit on the energy storage.

Mesmer is 5-15 and the highest is 25 with one skill: Panic (Without Exhaust).

Each have their own benefit around their skills when you know how to play it.

They're still good in both PvE and PvP. Players must know that. Fastcasting has its own place in PvE too.

If you go to mesmer, go for it. Same for Elemantalist.

In my experience, I get tired of Ele for one and only thing:"GLF NUKERZ!!!" .GW becomes a "non-original" with the same copy/paste builds these days

I agree whole heartedly. My problem with being a Ele is not the whole gotta nuke it all biz but the fact that Eles are weak as hell when it comes to armor and all the conditions and such like Distraction for example. I am tired of trying to nuke a group with Meteor Shower and getting my ass distracted or clumsied. I die way too much as a Ele. I would rather die as a Mesmer knowing I got to wipe out 2-3 groups with a few Meteor Showers via Echoing. With Ele the best you can hope for before dying is that one group goes down as you do. It is like playing the Russian Roulette with the Ele Profession.

Cherno · Apr 12, 2006, 01:56 AM // 01:56

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Elementalist have Zero damage potnetial with fire magic once you get to higher level areas like Ring of Fire Islands

This is true...only in Hell's Precipice...unless the ele or someone else brings winter (which is usually done) then the pyro is great. Pryo is also good in RoF and Abaddon's

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

, Sorrow's Furnace, and Fissure of Woe. All they are good for is the knockdown.

This is false.

I am not trying to get into these mesmers/eles do/don't suck that we have had multiple times, but the OP is asking for opinions and I don't think it is fair to give him blanket statements without any support to help him make up his mind.

The only other thing for d4 is your comment about rangers and other classes doing better shutdown. Rangers are better interrupters. Sad but true, but interrupt <> shutdown. Mesmers are the master of shutdown in various forms.

d4nowar · Apr 12, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Meant shutting down via interrupts. Shutting down is simply stopping your enemy from using skills, and ranger interrupts are damn good at that.

But yeah... no doubt a mesmer can Shut down a monk or other casters for an entire match, but we're talking about pve, where there are endless amounts of units. Not just one you follow around.

MMSDome · Apr 12, 2006, 03:23 AM // 03:23

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Originally Posted by d4nowar

Sorry, I meant main class mesmer is worthless in pve.

are you serious? They create some of the most damage in FoW.

Dr Strangelove · Apr 12, 2006, 03:27 AM // 03:27

Mesmers are certainly harder to play than Ele's. However, they can also be much, much more powerful. With a mez, there really is no single good build that can carry you throught the game. Each and every time you go outside you need to stop and think which skills to use, which can be fun if you're into that sort of thing, but can also be a giant pain when it takes you a couple minutes to reset skills every time you do anything.

People who insist that mesmers are impotent or are only doing things that other classes can do better clearly have only used the skills that give mesmers a bad name - phantasm and backfire. I've been flamed from here to next chapter for not bringing backfire as a mesmer despite the fact that it's horrible. Anyone who's doing nothing but spamming degens by the end of the game clearly doesn't quite get how to play a mesmer, or hasn't heard of a necro. And like the above guy, anyone who ever even thinks of putting chaos storm on their bar should really just go play an ele and spam firestorm until kingdom come.

Ele's can be a lot of fun too, but their weaknesses are large and glaring. Yes, elementalists can do a lot of damage, but only if the enemy bunches up nicely, and only if you're not interrupted, and only if you can muster up the massive energy costs, and only if you're not dying thanks to the worst armor in the game... and so on. On the plus side, many groups seem to want a nuker with them most of the time, which is often not true for mesmers.

However, PvE players in general believe an elementalist is little more than the fire line. I guess take ele if you want to get into groups easily or take mesmer for more flexibility and challenge in playing, albeit challenge that is paid off by superior firepower

Killmur · Apr 12, 2006, 03:31 AM // 03:31

I applaud Dr Strangelove many times over. He makes some damn good points in his post.

Thallandor · Apr 12, 2006, 05:36 AM // 05:36

hmmm mesmer or Elementalist....

ZOOooo Mesmer of course oooooommmm *replies/cast faster than the blink of an eye*

Infact i am waiting for the GWF link to use a slot to play a Tyria born mesmer primary.

Song Rui · Apr 12, 2006, 06:04 AM // 06:04

omg you nubz. How can you not like mesmers? They're leet haxxorz and look pretty.yer

Cartoonhero · Apr 12, 2006, 06:07 AM // 06:07

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Originally Posted by Song Rui

omg you nubz. How can you not like mesmers? They're leet haxxorz and look pretty.yer

lols song.

i prefer eles though, but thats because i understand the class much more than the mesmer. and mesmers just never appealed to me. >_>

Song Rui · Apr 12, 2006, 06:11 AM // 06:11

eles look ugly, except mine. mesmers are leet and look ubar.

eileena · Apr 12, 2006, 07:20 AM // 07:20

mesmers rock..especialy when u get 2 the end....i pve maybe it can be hard for some cos mesmers dont have direct high dmg dealing...but they are by far the funest class ever...in PvP there is no classs that can stand against a good mesmer...(btw i'm a mesmer fan :P)

Nikki Moonlight · Apr 12, 2006, 10:36 AM // 10:36

i played my ele through the game. Being known as a "nuker" got dull after just a few missions...but since no-one's found a build that every single mesmer uses, my mesmer has more freedom to do whatever i want to with her skillwise. Also likely to have more reliable damage later on in the game as fire damage is kinda..halved..if not, less, while mesmers still have their lovely armour ignoring damage

Rayne Nightfyre · Apr 12, 2006, 11:07 AM // 11:07

D4nowar, you might as well give your "argument" a rest. It's based on a biased opinion, not facts. The facts easily show that Mesmers are invaluable in PvE, and nothing will prove otherwise. Sure, it's possible to efficiently complete a quest or mission without a Mesmer, but having one in your party can only speed up the process. If there's an annoying Shadow Warrior chasing in on your Monk, put Ineptitude, Clumsiness and Empathy on it, and watch half of his health instantly disappear. You can't do that damage with an Elementalist, they don't ignore armor. If it's a Priest of Sorrow that you're having difficulty killing, slap it with Arcane Conundrum and use Power Leak, Power Spike, or CoF. The point is that a skilled Mesmer will save your butt in spots that would otherwise be difficult.

It's pathetic and extremely redundant that every thread with the word "Mesmer" in it eventually turns into an argument about whether or not they are useful in PvE. The ones who argue and say they are not are close-minded, and unwilling to think outside the cookie-cutter builds such as Nuker, SS, MM, Healer, and Boon Prot. So those who don't enjoy playing the class need to keep their comments to themselves.

Mouse at Large · Apr 12, 2006, 11:33 AM // 11:33

As was mentioned earlier in this thread, it's perfectly feasable to go E/Me and use mainly mesmer skills. Just accept that you are not going to be particularly good at fastcasting interrupts and concentrate on other mesmer skills like degens, WW, Ineptitude/Clumsiness etc. With this sort of setup and Aura of Restoration you will be an asset to any group and also take a little bit of pressure off the healer classes

Chanbara · Apr 12, 2006, 11:40 AM // 11:40

I see a lot of your points... too bad both ele and mes armor sucks though.
Mesmers could really use good armor too.

Francis Demeules · Apr 12, 2006, 12:19 PM // 12:19

d4nowar, not to troll, flame you or something like that, by your description in the location below your avatar, you say all what you think.