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Avarre · Apr 13, 2006, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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also would never bring a "Mesmer" in PvE. Booktrick + SS ftw.

Declaring the book trick better than a mesmer is a direct insult. Thats like saying IWAY is better than mesmers. That mending palas are better!

boxterduke · Apr 13, 2006, 03:39 PM // 15:39

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Originally Posted by Theos

Double-post I apologize.

Why must you personally attack him? Lets see, where your flawed statement becomes flawed.

First why don't you try and kill a foe with MoP with only one skill, no matter your profession I bet you ten bucks you will fail. Now beyond that idiotic flaw in your statement lets move on, SS is not designed to interupt, why you comapre it to interupting skills is beyond me. I am sure a necro with Soul Leech and some nice Marks of Subversion can hack apart casters, and even Monks if used correctly. After all, Necro's ignore armour too and have alot more direct damage skills.

Though really I want you to do as you said, but now flip it and you go into FoW with interupts and you kill a massive mob. See how thats not really fair? Neither is saying "Use SS to kill some monk boss."

wow, are you his dad or mom, make sure that you pack his lunch also.
He is attacking mesmers and that gives me the right to attack whatever stupid profession he is playing. I think he is a warrior.

Mind you I play all professions and love them all. But I cannot stand when people say mesmers or eles are usless.

Where were you and him when no one wanted necros in there parties.
November comes and AoE nurf and opps everyone is a necro and eles are garbage.

Also I'm telling him that SS would kill but you need an iterrupt to stop that mark of pretection. Team work.

So before mouthing off go read my post and try to understand first.

Count to Potato · Apr 13, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Unfortunatley others casters dont like mesmers

Theos · Apr 13, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

wow, are you his dad or mom, make sure that you pack his lunch also.
He is attacking mesmers and that gives me the right to attack whatever stupid profession he is playing. I think he is a warrior.

Mind you I play all professions and love them all. But I cannot stand when people say mesmers or eles are usless.

Where were you and him when no one wanted necros in there parties.
November comes and AoE nurf and opps everyone is a necro and eles are garbage.

Also I'm telling him that SS would kill but you need an iterrupt to stop that mark of pretection. Team work.

So before mouthing off go read my post and try to understand first.

And eye for an eye and the world would be blind. I am sorry nothing gives you the right to attack someone no matter how stupid their comments may be.

The AoE nerf brought some life to the stale routine of Necros, MM this, Battery that. Now atleast they can use their curse line as well. Eles are garbage only to morons who can't use them, they are still quite capable its just that everyone is so ingraned in the ideas "OMGZOR FIRES TEH AWESOME!" that they can't even look at the other branches of an ele.

I have been playing the game since Beta, I was around when everyone was a WaMo and when necros were in the same boat as mesmers. I really don't remember any necro self glorification threads. Maybe a few threads about N/W and all that but that was on a different subject than, "OMGZOR EVERYZONE HATESMEH!"

Now look at your own post, you told him to use SS to kill yakslapper. You must realise skills are not designed to be godlike and kill everything imaginable. SS kills idiotic melee AI, Yakslapper is a monk... I see no corrolation and even a reason to use SS on a boss... that heals. Let's look shall we, my comments are in bold:

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

God, pfft again with the booktrick, just admit that you do not have the skill to play chalenging areas without the book trick.Personal attack, shows only immaturity. Even good players sometimes opt for the book as it makes things pointlessly easy and all they want to do is farm. It is also your opinion, only, that he cannot do it without the book. If you twist his post you can make it say "I suck at PvE" or "SS and Booktrick" is more efficient".
SS is a FINE skill but its does not interrupt monks now does it. Duh, SS is not designed to do this. If it did it might as well be called Broken, not SS.
Go to Grenth's Footprint and kill all the mobs around the Yakslapper guy and try to kill him with no interrupts and just SS.Look up, this is a horrible argument. A skill made to damage idiotic groups of Melee AI has nothing to do with a Monk Boss. Do people tell you to use a water gun to fight in Iraq?
You will be there for days.Sure you can sit there interupting all day, but I don't think you will make much headway either.

I'm sure you still have not faced an enemy with Mark of Protection (Yakslapper guy for eg)

Avare: I am sorry I overlooked his "Would never bring mesmers in PvE" though it is his opinion. It still not a reason to attack, it is his opinion and he has still not said "Mesmers are teh sux" he has just showed his own personal preference.

boxterduke · Apr 13, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

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SS is a FINE skill but its does not interrupt monks now does it.

Quoting myself here.

And asking a question, anyone else did not understand my sentence here?

For the people that did not understand it ^^^ (above post)

SS is a fine skill (meaning SS is a fine skill)

but it does not interrupt (means SS DOES NOT interrupt)

now does it (is a question, I should have put in the ? at the end but I thought its self explanatory)

As in stating a fact and then confirming it with a question.

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

Also I'm telling him that SS would kill but you need an iterrupt to stop that mark of pretection. Team work.

Again quoting myself.

Hmm I do not see why Theos has a problem. He is not understaning my whole post in saying that SS alone and an interupter alone (also rangers) won't be able to do anything to the Yakslapper guy, TEAM WORK people.

I do not know what to say more to get my point to sink here.

lol

Theos · Apr 13, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

Quoting myself here.

And asking a question, anyone else did not understand my sentence here?

For the people that did not understand it ^^^ (above post)

SS is a fine skill (meaning SS is a fine skill)

but it does not interrupt (means SS DOES NOT interrupt)

now does it (is a question, I should have put in the ? at the end but I thought its self explanatory)

As in stating a fact and then confirming it with a question.

I understood it fine. You context is oddly worded and confusing as you, for some odd reason, use SS as a comparison against Interupt skills. Again you don't fight a war with a water gun.

Here is how your own post should have been worded:

"SS is a good skill, it just doesn't interupt. This is why you need Mesmers to interupt things like Yakslapper who, without a lot of time dedicated, will not die to SS."

dr1zz one · Apr 13, 2006, 04:14 PM // 16:14

I made my mesmer awhile back and got stuck at Yaks Bend.
I went ahead and completed all 5 other classes to Hells. After realizing that I used mesmer secondary alot with the other 5 classes, I figured I might as well complete a mesmer primary. I just got my mesmer to the Southern Shiverpeaks. Mesmers are fun to play. They can dominate monks and tanks in many ways. I love my mesmer!

boxterduke · Apr 13, 2006, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by Theos

Now look at your own post, you told him to use SS to kill yakslapper. You must realise skills are not designed to be godlike and kill everything imaginable. SS kills idiotic melee AI, Yakslapper is a monk... I see no corrolation and even a reason to use SS on a boss... that heals. Let's look shall we, my comments are in bold:

My point exactly, he is going off on SS+booktrick is FTW and screw rangers and mesmers.
So I was telling him SS is not killing high end bosses.

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Originally Posted by Theos

"SS is a good skill, it just doesn't interupt. This is why you need Mesmers to interupt things like Yakslapper who, without a lot of time dedicated, will not die to SS."

Damn misunderstandings

This shows that both of us have a passion to this little game we play.

gg

Mandy Memory · Apr 13, 2006, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

God, pfft again with the booktrick, just admit that you do not have the skill to play chalenging areas without the book trick.
SS is a FINE skill but its does not interrupt monks now does it.
Go to Grenth's Footprint and kill all the mobs around the Yakslapper guy and try to kill him with no interrupts and just SS.
You will be there for days.

I'm sure you still have not faced an enemy with Mark of Protection (Yakslapper guy for eg)

Actually, I rarely use the booktrick on the first-time through an area. Every other time I do...because it takes 1/100th the time. Ri will just make it that much easier...

And facing enemies with MoP is quite simple...it has such a long downtime that I have soloed them with a sword warrior...

And who uses interupts in PvE? Beyond that...who would use a mesmer with interupts every ~30 seconds over a ranger with interupts being spammed constantly? The ranger would also do a ton more damage.

But really...I would rather have an orders necro...the AI isnt smart enough to require interuption.

Phoenix Denfer · Apr 13, 2006, 05:30 PM // 17:30

Forgive my ignorance, but please define "Booktrick"

Is this a build? A skill? A reference to another thread/website/guide?

I honestly don't know, but I'm seeing it more and more and would like to.

Thank you.

boxterduke · Apr 13, 2006, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Denfer

Forgive my ignorance, but please define "Booktrick"

Is this a build? A skill? A reference to another thread/website/guide?

I honestly don't know, but I'm seeing it more and more and would like to.

Thank you.

Booktrick is when you hold an item (like a Surrows Furnace Gear, the Tourch in Thunder Head Keep mission, the book you get from a quest in Fissure)

You get a warrior that holds the book and aggros the mobs, they will attack him while 99% ignoring the others.

This way everyone can SS/Nuke/Damage the mobs while they are busy attaccking the tank. The monk has to make sure that the tank stays alive.

In Ch2 preview, it turned out that the Ritualists ashes (skills that summon ashes of dead people) act like the booktrick.

Thats why there was a thread about it during the FPE since no need for the items anymore. Any W/Rt can just summon an ashe and act as a tank in any mission/area/situation.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Book_trick

It started in Fissure, thats why its called booktrick.

Mandy Memory · Apr 13, 2006, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

It started in Fissure, thats why its called booktrick.

Minor correction: It only became popular/well known in fissure. I know many people that have been doing it for as long as they have been playing. (Its always worked)

Phoenix Denfer · Apr 13, 2006, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

Booktrick is when you hold an item (like a Surrows Furnace Gear, the Tourch in Thunder Head Keep mission, the book you get from a quest in Fissure...

Thank you very much. I feel I now understand this conversation better.

To get back to topic, I had a lot of problems getting a group as a mesmer, but the groups that took me never regretted it.

I only had one group I left before the mission started over what was looking like the beginning of "shoot the mesmer not the enemy."

One of the warriors was impatient and kept insisting on a re-zone to get into a new district. They ducked into an area of the map I hadn't been in before, so it apparently took my connection longer to load me by about 5 more seconds then said warrior's patient level could stand.

I got called all kinds of names for making the group "wait" to re enter the outpost.

I left as it was obvious where this dude was going to be directing his aggression toward.

Guild Wars has been out for over a year. If people in general don't know by now how important each class is to the other, they aren't going to be convinced now. But I appreciate the kudos as a memser none the less.

guffey · Apr 13, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

i love my mesmer 2. Its so fun shuting down the mobs healers. Notice how most kill the Mesmer right after the monk in PvP, What does that tell u,

mesmers will destroy u if u dont take them out.

tuperwho · Apr 13, 2006, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

And who uses interupts in PvE? Beyond that...who would use a mesmer with interupts every ~30 seconds over a ranger with interupts being spammed constantly? The ranger would also do a ton more damage.

/slaps forehead

Check the skill pages... 1 every 30 sec? No damage or other effects? Sheesh.

floplag · Apr 13, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Mandy, one small bit of advice ... stop while your behind, you clearly have no idea how a mesmer can operate.

and the "booktrick + SS' thing ... try some creative thought once in a while

im sorry, not trying to be mean, but im sick to death of the total lack of anything resembling creativity and the same old cookie cutter builds that have reduced this game to three playable classes (W / Mo / N)

Theos · Apr 13, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by floplag

Mandy, one small bit of advice ... stop while your behind, you clearly have no idea how a mesmer can operate.

and the "booktrick + SS' thing ... try some creative thought once in a while

im sorry, not trying to be mean, but im sick to death of the total lack of anything resembling creativity and the same old cookie cutter builds that have reduced this game to three playable classes (W / Mo / N)

Read his post again about the book trick. Efficiency vs creativity is an argument for another time, not for this thread.

Mandy Memory · Apr 13, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by tuperwho

/slaps forehead

Check the skill pages... 1 every 30 sec? No damage or other effects? Sheesh.

15-20 second recharges...and they only work on spells (Besides a select few...which have little to no other effects) That fireball/whatever isnt going to hurt you/heal them for much. I would much rather have a choking gas ranger...and they arent that great.

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Originally Posted by floplag

Mandy, one small bit of advice ... stop while your behind, you clearly have no idea how a mesmer can operate.

and the "booktrick + SS' thing ... try some creative thought once in a while

im sorry, not trying to be mean, but im sick to death of the total lack of anything resembling creativity and the same old cookie cutter builds that have reduced this game to three playable classes (W / Mo / N)

Creativity is IWAY and the booktrick and etc...how do you think these things came around? (Of course now they arent as creative...but modding them is) Plus they are extremely effecient.

And W/Mo/N are the only good classes in pve...but there are many threads on this. Its just like how W/Mo/Me/R/N are the only good classes in pvp.

I know it sounds mean...but in pve all a mesmer should do is double echo SS. (And SV for farming in some places...but I am talking about general missions/gameplay)

Personally...I run an IWAY-esque pve build with my friends. No downtime. No interupts. Pure damage. We clear stuff a lot faster than any other group Ive been in. (Excluding a good barrage team in tombs/SF)

Just a note: I played a mesmer for 7-8 months...They are horrid in pve. Its a completely pvp oriented class, where they are up there with the best. (The best being warriors)

Gargle Blaster · Apr 13, 2006, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Mandy, i dont understand why you would post in this thread. --you dont like mesmers-- thats fine. dont play one.

floplag · Apr 13, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

re-read what ?

the one about renagers being better interrupters ? or the one about not wanting a mesmer in a group, ever ? did i misundertand either ?

im all for efficeiancy, but the problem is that too many think that there is only one way to do things in the most efficient manner, the problem, with this game right now is that too many people take what they read on these public forums as gospel, rather than suggestions... and just assume that its always true, which in many cases in not the truth

i have played my mesmer for more hours than any other but my ranger and am well aware of what both can do, and to even hint that a ranger can interrupt better than a mesmer proves that one has no idea how a mesmer operates. it simple isnt true. and that doesnt even factor in the other things a messmer can do in denial, or damage. some people have a very narrow minded thouht about what a mesmer actualyl is, and thier perception is completely incorrect

im not knocking rangers as interrupters.. i use a build for that often myself ... but its not the primary thing im trying to do there with the ranger, its a by product

i stand by my comments