Curse

Mordakai · Mar 30, 2006, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by Laibeus Lord

The 4+4=6 formula first appeared in City of Heroes and City of Vilains.

Ok, maybe CoH has changed since I played it, but you had like 8 slots on each server if I remember correctly, and about 8 servers = that's a lot of slots!

Of course, the big difference between GW and any other (MM)ORPG, is that there is a monthly fee for those.

Of course, there is continued debate about how much money these slots actually cost Anet...

Gargle Blaster · Mar 30, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Of course, the big difference between GW and any other (MM)ORPG, is that there is a monthly fee for those.

Of course, there is continued debate about how much money these slots actually cost Anet...

there is no debate about how much money these slots cost(you either know or you don't)... even if there were a "debate" it would be moot as everyone has the choice not to merge(if they buy fractions) and therefor have the full 4 slots for fractions.

and secondly you are suggesting that monthly fees justify more slots -- sorry but i disagree have you ever payed a monthly fee for Diablo, card game Magic the Gathering, or the rpg Dungens & Dragons? -no its just silly to pay to play... i will never pay a monthly fee to play a game.

Mordakai · Mar 30, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by Gargle Blaster

there is no debate about how much money these slots cost(you either know or you don't)... even if there were a "debate" it would be moot as everyone has the choice not to merge(if they buy fractions) and therefor have the full 4 slots for fractions.

Well, just because I feel like rehashing old arguments:

If $50 buys 4 slots unlinked, why does it only buy you 2 slots linked?

Same content. Same server space. So why less slots?

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Originally Posted by Gargle Blaster

and secondly you are suggesting that monthly fees justify more slots -- sorry but i disagree have you ever payed a monthly fee for Diablo, card game Magic the Gathering, or the rpg Dungens & Dragons? -no its just silly to pay to play... i will never pay a monthly fee to play a game.

No, it's silly comparing apples to oranges. Once you buy a book or set of cards, there is no continued expense from the publisher to support existing books or cards.

Online games require continued expense - the only way Anet will make money is if they continue to get people to buy expansions. I have no problem with Blizzard making $90 million a month - kudos to them for attracting such clients.

(I'll never pay monthly fees for games, but that's just me.)

Loviatar · Mar 30, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Vilaptca

So basically, anyone planning on starting a new character and getting a head start with that 24-hour period, better have a character slot open around that time, or they'll be deleting someone.

Vilaptca

or if i am as lucky as last time with Gamestop my 2nd day shipping along with their early ship policy will have the retail in my hands by the 26th like last time with GW.

i have a spare slot open already just in case

Mordakai · Mar 30, 2006, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by Vilaptca

So basically, anyone planning on starting a new character and getting a head start with that 24-hour period, better have a character slot open around that time, or they'll be deleting someone.

Vilaptca

Or get a head start getting some new weapons and armor with one of your level 20 characters....

Loviatar · Mar 30, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Or get a head start getting some new weapons and armor with one of your level 20 characters....

i have 2 open slots (2 accounts) plus a level 20 to run in and get chewed up

Vilaptca · Mar 30, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54

I've had a slot open for a whlie, that I keep trying to use, but end up deleting after a few days. I'm going to get me a head start!

Though, I'll probably end up rushing right in with my Warrior and trying to find as many cool new weapons as I can before anyone else.

Mordakai · Mar 30, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Exactly. I mean, think about it, where would 24 hours do you the most good?

Rushing through the early "pre-searing" part of Factions? No, I'd like to savor that part.

24 hours will probably be best spent trying to find higher level items so we can show them off before anyone else...

Zehnchu · Mar 30, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

I've used all my slots, so my characters will all be over in Cantha. Need to find that Necro boss to cap Flesh Golem

Tombstone · Mar 31, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Well if they aren't going to give us more slots than 2 give us the function to be able to change primary classes so I can experience the whole PvE experience with every class. Instead of building a character up and deleting to experience other builds. Just being able to change your 2ndary isn't helpful enough to experiencing the whole game. Especially when we have to keep one slot vacant for building whatever PvP guy we might need at the time. Anyway, that's my simple solution, keep the original plan at gaining 2 slots with the merge but let us change our primaries. Then we will have to be hoarding several suits of armor around for each time we change our primary.... Even this will throw a loop in the game. But as a PvE AND PvP player I would like to play every PRIMARY class thru whole game without deleting a character everytime I get to the end to start another.

Just came up with a brainstrom. Why not let us get better results from salvaging our armor. That's the heartbreaker when you nuke a character to try another class. Spending 20-30k on runes and building materials only to sell everything off to try new character and not re-couping anything (MAYBE get a rune back). They are catering to the peeps that have unlimited money that buy it on E-bay. Let's see something to help out the honest worker that wants to experience the whole game. I lost a character on this Factions preview because I wanted to be able to experience the skills I had unlocked in the PvP weekend. I swallowed hard and deleted a character I had spent over 20k to build up to get thru the game.+

Started new thread to discuss solutions

Mandy Memory · Mar 31, 2006, 03:50 AM // 03:50

You guys are downright greedy. Anet is giving you 8 more slots (technically) when you merge for a total of 12 slots. (assuming a slot is a possible playthrough of the game without deleting)

4 slots with access to prophecies.
same 4 slots have access to factions.
2 bonus slots with access to prophecies
same 2 bonus slots with access to factions

thats 12 slots.

12 slots. 4 more than merging.

Stop being so greedy people...My god...whats next...20 slots?

Tombstone · Mar 31, 2006, 04:00 AM // 04:00

Your quite wrong. Read my reply to you in other thread Solutions to Slot Issue or read the Sticky's posted. Owner's of both games that merge them get 6 slots TOTAL accessible to BOTH games, OR they get 4 new slots only accessible in Faction (unmerged). Gaile did the math 6x100% explorability BOTH worlds or 4x50% explorability locked in each independant world. Get your facts straight b4 you call people names.

Mandy Memory · Mar 31, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

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Originally Posted by Tombstone

Your quite wrong. Read my reply to you in other thread Solutions to Slot Issue or read the Sticky's posted. Owner's of both games that merge them get 6 slots TOTAL accessible to BOTH games, OR they get 4 new slots only accessible in Faction (unmerged). Gaile did the math 6x100% explorability BOTH worlds or 4x50% explorability locked in each independant world. Get your facts straight b4 you call people names.

You just said exactly what I said (well you quoted gaile....but Ill say you are barely smart enough to see that anyways since you are saying that I am wrong even though you just restated what I said)

you use 6x100% or 8*50%

I use 6 * 2 games (12) or 8 * 1 game

Same math...easier to understand.

Tombstone · Mar 31, 2006, 04:24 AM // 04:24

If you mean you have 2 copies of ch1 and 2 copies of ch2 then you are correct. When you say 2 games ch1 is a stand alone game and ch2 is a stand alone game and therefore you are wrong. Explain yourself and quit flaming.

Mandy Memory · Mar 31, 2006, 04:31 AM // 04:31

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Originally Posted by Tombstone

If you mean you have 2 copies of ch1 and 2 copies of ch2 then you are correct.

No that would be 24 playthroughs, I would be incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Tombstone

When you say 2 games ch1 is a stand alone game and ch2 is a stand alone game and therefore you are wrong.

Wait a minute...this is saying I am right.

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Originally Posted by Tombstone

ch1 is a stand alone game

So unmerged = 4 slots * 1 game

merged = 4 slots * 1 game

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Originally Posted by Tombstone

ch2 is a stand alone game

So unmerged = 4 more slots * 1 game or 8 slots * 1 game

Merged = 4 slots * 2 games...
+2 bonus slots * 2 games.
or 6 slots * 2 games...
or 12.

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Originally Posted by Tombstone

Explain yourself and quit flaming.

I believe Ive explained myself for the 3rd (or 4th or 5th time), most of which you have replied to the same way.

Hopefully you get it this time...5th times the charm.

EternalTempest · Mar 31, 2006, 04:49 AM // 04:49

Ah this topic again ~ ~

They only promised one confirmed, then they actually give us two.

If they gave 4 slots per campaign, there still would be complaints when slots = # of diffrent jobs (and they stop giving beyond that).

I strongly feel they would give us 4 if the addtional cost on there end (unless you work in there company, the it only costs x to do y and it's "cheap" doesn't hold wait for me) would not of impacted the no monthly fee this game is great for.

Look at SF, and all the constant improvements that GW could of not done.

Math is in this thread make no sense (for or against) to me.

I myself w/ the current situation will be buying the CE version of Guild Wars Faction.

Your free to feel upset and voice your concern, as I am free to voice mine.
Im ok with the situation and other are not happy with it.

Phoenix Arrows · Mar 31, 2006, 05:23 AM // 05:23

Ok thanks guys. I'm sort of disappointed and now unsure of whether to merge or not ^^.

BTW, Whispering Siren, if you find out where you read the notice do you think you could tell me please? Thanks.

Mordakai · Mar 31, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

IMO, the extra slots are not worth not-linking. Think about it... those characters will be trapped in Cantha forever. In a few years, will you still be playing Factions?

I hope Anet sells extra slots, but worse case scenario, we should get 2 more slots with Chapter 3 in 6 months...

mrbb · Mar 31, 2006, 04:23 PM // 16:23

A-net's math just doesn't work... Here is their logic:

Gaile Gray: Consider GW one game, and Factions the other, as they are. Consider them both halves of a great whole. If you have GW, you have GW content only, and 4 slots. If you have Factions, you have Factions content only. If you have both, linked, you have 6 slots, with access for all_6_slots to BOTH games. You can keep them seperate, but linking is better, because you have 6 with twice the content. As opposted to four with 1/2 the content each. If it makes sense to you, thank you. I have to admit, I took 10 minutes of Mike O'Brien's time to learn it. I didn't understand the 6 x 100% is greater than 4 x 50%, you see?***

It took her 10 minutes to understand because it doesn't make sense! Factions is marketed as a completely separate game so there shouldn't be any of this "halves of a great hole." If they are "halves of a great hole" then it is an expansion, which would justify 2+ character slots. But if we see it as an expansion then why is it going to costs $50, the price of a whole game? Bottom line is A-net is being stingy with their recurring customers.

I know we argue this ad nauseum but hey... if we discuss enough and show our discontent maybe things will change! What else can I do anyway? Go farm?

Loviatar · Mar 31, 2006, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

I hope Anet sells extra slots, but worse case scenario, we should get 2 more slots with Chapter 3 in 6 months...

also they have the precedent of 2 slots with a chapter and a flat statement that there will not be new professions with all future chapters.

this means by chapter x?(4?/5??) we will get maybe 1 new profession and an empty slot.

do that one more time and you have one for each at the same time you have so many professions only the terminally hardcore could find the time to play them all well as there would be other professions who could fill a gap as well.