Curse

Derek Ravenclaw · May 05, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale

I'm too old and cynical in GW terms to believe AN will change anything as fundimental as that, even if proven broken by the community. Favor being a case in point. Can't play with friends from around the world, 2 entire regions being shut out for 5 months, the mechanism for gaining it being completly unreleated to a players ability or interest in one area.

About favor: Everyone should've known about the Worlds At War system, it was one of the most advertised points when it came to Guild Wars. If you didn't understand that the favor system would be there, then it just comes down to someone not researching what they're buying, which is their own damn problem.

Blaine Derrick · May 05, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Read some post I made a page or two back. I say there is nothing wrong with rewarding alliances.

What we are trying to say is that having access to missions as an exclusive reward is a bad idea.

I think this is the main point of the thread. Some people think that having access to these missions is "too good" of a reward. Myself, I think that these missions are perfect, as they don't imbalance the game at all and provide a very nice incentive for competition among the top alliances. The idea that a non game breaking reward can be "too good" seems kind of silly to me. If the missions had pre nerf henge helm crafters, or super exclusive 10/1 vampiric weapons, then I would be complaining.

Also, where exactly is eneryone getting the idea that they are entitled to these missions simply by purchasing the game? In every PR statement and factions interview that I remember seeing, Elite Missions were always mentioned as only being rewarded to top alliances. As someone else mentioned earlier, no one complained about (mostly mediocre) gold drops in HoH, but heaven forbid that a-net put in a reward that is actually interesting and worthwhile!

Derek Ravenclaw · May 05, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by MelechRic

You might want to go re-edit some of your posts then. At least the part where you quoted other people "bitching about bitches." Hmm, that sounds pretty deragotory.

Okay, I'm bitching about bitches in conjunction with defending ArenaNet.

Evilsod · May 05, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

Well, Elite Missions can be done without spending any time grinding. I doubt many people would say the same about FoW armor. So okay, it makes sense. You can either spend time to work for a bonus, or not spend time and get to play an Elite Mission.

No they can't. Perhaps your a bit too dim to realise what we've been saying for the last few pages. But if your in a small alliance with friends you can't just log on 1 day and find out you've had the 'godly title of elitism' for the last few hours and can go on a trip to these Elite Missions. If your in the alliance that seems to have the title 24/7 then this will happen quite often. To have even the slightest of chances to get access to this area you either have to have been in 300 times already or these 'elite' groups won't let you in or grind away to get the faction needed.

Sir_BlackJack · May 05, 2006, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

Your example is a quirk of language, specifically the English language. Translate that joke into Japanese and it wouldn't make any sense, even though logic in Japanese is the same. And mathematics is one of my strong points, along with Computer Science.

/sigh

I wonder why you keep talking about Japanese ? Because you can speak Japanese? Congratulation. It's my 4th language.. and I'm also studying Computer Science... wait are you studying? I hope not.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 05, 2006, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Gli

And ironically, our camp couldn't have a better example than yourself to illustrate how bad those decisions are.

How so? ArenaNet is highly successful, obviously decisions in the past have worked.

Iskrah · May 05, 2006, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

I'm not bitching about bitches, I'm showing my support for ArenaNet and their designers' decisions about Guild Wars.

It's not your support you're showing. It's your badly-placed pride and your unability to understand others' opinions when it doesn't affect you in the slightest little way. But you're here to troll anyway because you just can't stand to see people wanting to stay in their guild (preffering a reasonable size to entertain different relations with people) and you can't stand the fact that they'd like to be "elite" when they just want access to content of the game they paid for.

For some reason. Get a clue.

What's 50 dollars to you? Cheap change or parents' problem? To me it's going to the grocery store. If I want to voice my opinion on the fact that GW's advertisement LIED to me largely, I sure have a right to do so!

Derek Ravenclaw · May 05, 2006, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Sir_BlackJack

/sigh

I wonder why you keep talking about Japanese ? Because you can speak Japanese? Congratulation. It's my 4th language.. and I'm also studying Computer Science... wait are you studying? I hope not.

Of course I am studying it. Go ask "Is it a girl or a boy?" in normal Japanese conversation-style. The only reason I used Japanese is because it's an obvious example of how your joke is colloquial, not universal.

Gli · May 05, 2006, 12:15 AM // 00:15

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

Your example is a quirk of language, specifically the English language.

Given that we're all using the english language here, what's your point?

Sir_BlackJack · May 05, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

Of course I am studying it. Go ask "Is it a girl or a boy?" in normal Japanese conversation-style. The only reason I used Japanese is because it's an obvious example of how your joke is colloquial, not universal.

>_<

You obviously haven't studied logic. Oh well return to topic. Please do not bother to quote again. Oh.. my uni > your uni.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 05, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Iskrah

But you're here to troll anyway because you just can't stand to see people wanting to stay in their guild (preffering a reasonable size to entertain different relations with people) and you can't stand the fact that they'd like to be "elite" when they just want access to content of the game they paid for.

I'm still in my guild, a guild that will probably never be in an alliance, let alone own an outpost.

Where on the box or in the Product Description does it list the Elite Missions? Really, if you can pull it up, I'll be impressed, and I'm not being sarcastic.

Buoyancy · May 05, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Thomas:<

Nice, try and insult my age? Somehow you guessed correctly, meh.

He guessed correctly because it's pretty obvious who the immature people in this thread are.

Anyways, this whole debacle, when combined with Anet's decision to not provide me with all of the character database storage I would have paid for, is why I won't be buying Factions.

MelechRic · May 05, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

How so? ArenaNet is highly successful, obviously decisions in the past have worked.

Some things about business:

Past performance is not an indication of future performance. Cases in point: Enron, Lucent and Digital Equipment Corporation.

This is ANet's second chapter. There's not yet proof that it will be as successful as the first or that it was a sound design. Time will tell us that.

Why the ardent defense of ANet? They're a wholy owned subsidiary of a public corporation (NCSoft) with loads of paid publicists and marketing people. Can't they defend themselves? Maybe you should just say you're defending the game because you like the Alliance control of Elite missions because it benefits you in some way. Or maybe it's because you have a righteous sense of right and wrong play when it comes to Guild Wars. Maybe it's because you think people who complain are weak and you are bothered by that. At least you'd be honest with yourself and the rest of us here in this thread.

Iskrah · May 05, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

Where on the box or in the Product Description does it list the Elite Missions? Really, if you can pull it up, I'll be impressed, and I'm not being sarcastic.

Should I quote the queen of PR or are you done playing that kind of kid's game?

Derek Ravenclaw · May 05, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

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Originally Posted by Sir_BlackJack

>_<

You obviously haven't studied logic.

What are you talking about? Seriously, translate the joke into Japanese. The little logic joke that is included in the English version will not translate it unless you force it, which ruins jokes.

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Originally Posted by Sir_BlackJack

Oh.. my uni > your uni.

Guess I'm not the only elitist in here.

Buoyancy · May 05, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by Sir_BlackJack

Why do have the "elite" missions to be only the toy of guilds with enough members? To laugh in the other players faces? We can play this mission you can't!

That is the only reason why anybody would support the current model. There are a large number of people who have failed at life who spend most of their days online trying to be superior to others. They demand the ability to control other people in online games in order to make themselves feel less pathetic.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 05, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

I'm still in my guild, a guild that will probably never be in an alliance, let alone own an outpost.

Where on the box or in the Product Description does it list the Elite Missions? Really, if you can pull it up, I'll be impressed, and I'm not being sarcastic.

Alright, I found it. You know what you were paying for?

"The best and most powerful alliances can venture on Elite Missions, which are designed to be the ultimate challenge for even the most experienced teams."

That's how it is. You got what you paid for.

KYOT_Candy · May 05, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Yeah this is pretty lame. I have played GW since beta of Prophecies, and so far I am not impressed with Factions. I remember how excited I was when Prophecies came out and I have none of that towards Factions. I have played HoH, have cleared both UW, and Fissure and was hoping for some new exciting things to do. Well....12 v 12 was fun but they screwed up the party list so there are only 4 people on a party, and on top of that its so buggy I get pets on my party list who dont belong to anyone in my party. I have made the top 10 for that amber running stuff, now im bored with that. This game is boring and has no depth. And on top of that I cant even play the Elite missions. I consider myself an elite player as I was one of the first monks to be able to guide a balanced team through UW. I dont farm, I just enjoy exploring and trying new builds in challenging areas and I cant even do that. Now I have to farm faction to get elite areas....My guild is not made up of people who are very skilled but cant sit around farming faction all day. I am in school and cant sit around playing for faction 24/7.

Mister Papaya

Derek Ravenclaw · May 05, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by Buoyancy

That is the only reason why anybody would support the current model. There are a large number of people who have failed at life who spend most of their days online trying to be superior to others. They demand the ability to control other people in online games in order to make themselves feel less pathetic.

Well, why do you think people get FoW? Just because they like how it looks? Why do you think people post screenshots of their stacks of Ectos? Why do you think GvGers show off their fancy rare items? It's all elitism, obviously in different forms. If you show something off, you're saying that what you have is better than what other people have, therefore you're being elitist.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 05, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by Iskrah

Should I quote the queen of PR or are you done playing that kind of kid's game?

Actually, I already found it:

"The best and most powerful alliances can venture on Elite Missions, which are designed to be the ultimate challenge for even the most experienced teams."

That's how it is. You get what you paid for, no?