Curse

Fitz Rinley · May 04, 2006, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Macktar Wang

Do you bow down and worship members of the top PvP guilds when they show up in a city you are in?

I have a friend who PvP's and I have tried to assist this person in skill capping, and they ahve tried to assist me. (Time restraints became an issue.) This PvP player I respect, not worship, both for skill and mostly for attitude toward others.

Those who hold an absolute monopoly over entry into restricted areas will abuse it. Power does not corrupt, it instead attracts the corruptible. The favor and faction systems for controlling PvE content and attempting cajole, coerce, or threaten PvE players into PvP are immoral. What is done is wrong.

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Originally Posted by vtrajan

You are missing out on SO MUCH end game and necessary storyline content.

Irrelevant. I spent just as much as anyone else in real money, and I spent more than most in relation to my income. No matter how the dollars are looked at I either deserve equall access to all content, or even greater access because I invested more of a percentage of my income into the purchase. No one has a right to more of the game than someone else just because they are Olympic Gold medal quality players. The top 1,000 do not deserve to run the lives of the rest of us. Their souls are not worth more than ours.

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Originally Posted by vtrajan

Quote: Though often referred to as an MMORPG, ArenaNet coined the term CORPG (Competitive/Cooperative Online Role-Playing Game) to describe Guild Wars.

They may have coined the term, but they have in no wise understood how to implement it. There are places in the world where cooperation by force, threat, and fear has met with marginal success. The Soviet Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia comes to mind. Iraq comes to mind. We see what happens when those forced to cooperate with one another are no longer playing that game.

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Originally Posted by vtrajan

Quote: Guild Wars is a Competitive/Cooperative Online Role-Playing Game (CORPG) by ArenaNet, a developer founded by individuals crucial to the development of Blizzard Entertainment's past games and services such as Diablo, Warcraft, Starcraft, and Battle.net. ArenaNet is now wholly owned by NCsoft, a South Korean game publisher.

I was not aware that NC Soft was Korean. This may be a part of the cultural difference. In Korean caste is so ingrained that a younger twin brother may not speak to his elder twin brother without using formal and polite language and tone. The elder is required to speak a conjugated form that indicates his superiority and effectively sounds like cussing out his inferior twin. While given the opportunity I would have fought to the death to maintain the Korean right to be Korean, I have no interest in becoming devoid of my nation's form of individualism in order to play a game they promote. This also explains why the team structure for alliances is exclusive of one another in team chat and party formations. Communications between subordinates instead of relying exclusively on superiors is not a part of many Oriental cultures; even tho that system has not proven effective against the alternative in any modern military engagement.

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Originally Posted by Loralai

You are more than likely right, but I am one of those who feels the need to at least voice my discontent. I apologize if it offends anyone, but in a capitalist market, it's best to at least let the companies, corporations, etc..know what the varying views of their consumers are.

It is never a good idea to role over and die even if the ''authorities'' are not listening. Continual active protest is the only acceptable course. As the song says, ''You have got to stand for something or you will fall for anything.''

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Originally Posted by Loralai

....., I should have never assumed nor expected it to be anything at all like the original.

The GW staff went to great lengths to avoid telling us the truth so that they would no lose patronage. Now they have a short time period to turn it around before they drive a protion or even large portion of their audience away. The attacks on individuality and personal expression have so disgusted and enraged me that I barely play the game at all since the opening of the Factions servers. I used to play about 8 hours a day average.

Fitz Rinley

MelechRic · May 04, 2006, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Beat_Go_Stick

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ps - If I were Gaile or Alex, I wouldn't touch these forums with a 50 meter stick either. Let's try and make this a place they can feel comfortable coming to again. Their presence is definitely missed (though understandably absent) and I, for one, would like to get the tone of this community back to being constructive rather than accusatory. Maybe then, A.Net will begin to see some rational suggestions and be able to make the changes we would all like to see.

pps - *laugh* It's only been 7 days

I don't care if either Gaile of Alex feels comfortable about visiting these boards. I work in software development and I've been in some very uncomfortable meetings with customers who were unhappy about some aspect of our product. As a developer I could avoid these issue and that would only serve to piss my customers off. The alternative is to take a bit of heat and listen.

Just my views, but I do agree with you that time and perspective may help this issue.

UndeadRoadkill · May 04, 2006, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

Content PAID for. You PAID to play.

Stop the sports analogy. It is wrong.

If he really wants to make that analogy, how about this:

How many people pay to play t-ball? Sure, you buy the equipment, but once you do, you decide how you want to play with it. This alliance system dumps on small guilds that people have been playing in and enjoying for quite some time now.

So many people here are taking the attitude of, 'well, that's the way the world works, if you don't like it, get out, etc. etc.' That's all well and fine for them if they want to say that, but they aren't the ones trying to make money from this product. Anet makes the rules for the game, Anet needs their customers' money to survive. So sit there and sneer at the disgruntled players if you want, but I think Anet at least might want to listen.

Ruby Lightheart · May 04, 2006, 09:02 PM // 21:02

yeah im disappointed in the whole elite mission setup. It should be unlockable for us regular guilds too. Really stinks that 99.9% of us will never see even one of those missions.

Cyril Aspect · May 04, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by Beat_Go_Stick

Thanks for the clarity. It's too bad, doing it that way made sense to me

I'm not even saying that the system they have is great, mind you, but I'm not even there yet and I wonder how many others who are complaining about the inability to explore 100% of Cantha's glorious PvE have already explored everything else *chuckle*

LOL beat I"m really glad it made sense, at times my phrasing is a bit whacked out from the norm. ok that might be an understatement i'm not sure

maybe a lot whacked out.

MelechRic · May 04, 2006, 09:16 PM // 21:16

For people making the "put up or shut up" / "love it or leave it" argument about Guild Wars factions, please read the following article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_choice

dansamy · May 04, 2006, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

Content PAID for. You PAID to play.

I don't recall ever seeing anywhere that Anet promised "buy Factions and get insta-access to Elite missions". You have what you paid for: access to Factions, which includes all the missions and quests that are part/parcel of the storyline, access to the PvP areas and character slots. The Elite Alliance missions are not something that were "sold" as part of the game, although they were used in advertisement as enticements. They exist within the game, but as rewards for those inclined and capable of earning them. Anet continues to do what they began in GW:Prophecies: attempt a union of PvE and PvP. Nobody said you had to be happy about it, but Anet hasn't falsely advertised anything. It was pretty clear from all the early indications which told us the Elite missions would be accessible by elite Alliances, not everyone.

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So sit there and sneer at the disgruntled players if you want, but I think Anet at least might want to listen.

I am not sneering at disgruntled players. I am simply trying to point out that none of this is surprising given the type of game that Anet is promoting GW to be and is driving towards in their development efforts. As mentioned above, once you buy the T-ball equipment, you get to decide what to do with it. If you win a lot, there is a championship that not every team and every player gets to play. (All-Stars? Sound familiar?) You get the "regular season play" by buying your copy of Factions. You don't get the "playoffs" unless you earn it.

SilentAssassin · May 04, 2006, 09:29 PM // 21:29

as long as these missions don't got special green items, other special stuff... I am k with it.

It's like PvP 99.9% of the ppl who play PvP will never win a championship in GuildWars

2 elite missions... do you really need to cry about it?

I really hope these rants will stop

I can understand why you want to have acces to these missions to, I want to have acces to, but on the other hand I understand they want to give a little "gift" to the more competive guild ou there.

I will be unhappy when these elite missions got content thats only there in these missions.

But ppl give it some time... factions is not even a week old...

dansamy · May 04, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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as long as these missions don't got special green items, other special stuff... I am k with it.

There are unique skins only available there. And I don't think that should be changed. They are only cosmetically different. They still have the same chance at being crappy, good or perfect stat-wise as any other item. They don't unbalance the game. They just look different. There are also greens there that I understand have the same stats and skins as the ones after beating the last mission. No big deal.

Will people pay a lot more for these unique skins? Probably, but they are also difficult to acquire because the mission itself is difficult. So they should be expensive to purchase from the player who spent his time in getting it. It's fair compensation. If you spent 6 hours clearing an area and came away with one perfect rare item with a unique skin, I doubt you'd sell it for 10k.

Beat_Go_Stick · May 04, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by MelechRic

I don't care if either Gaile of Alex feels comfortable about visiting these boards. I work in software development and I've been in some very uncomfortable meetings with customers who were unhappy about some aspect of our product. As a developer I could avoid these issue and that would only serve to piss my customers off. The alternative is to take a bit of heat and listen.

Just my views, but I do agree with you that time and perspective may help this issue.

Heh, I would wager they are listening and I actually find it surprising that people doubt that. They have always listened regardless of whether or not they ended up agreeing with out opinions.

All I am saying is that threads that end up as this one did for a good 4-5 pages serve no constructive purpose and are better avoided by Gaile and Alex due to the probability of just being flamed the second they entered.

I know what you mean and I would also like to hear even a "We are reading and taking everything you say into consideration" from them just for piece of mind but when I really think about it, A.Net has a great track record of paying atttention to us. I feel like I also have been lied to by their PR campaign but I'm comfortable giving them a week or so to just let everything calm down to a simmer instead of a fierce boil before coming in to explain why things aren't the way we expected

Evilsod · May 04, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

It seems everyday i read something on here that makes me want to get Factions less and less.

Beat_Go_Stick · May 04, 2006, 09:50 PM // 21:50

I wouldn't buy it yet if I hadn't already done so

Kakumei · May 04, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

I haven't actually purchased Factions yet (lack of funds), however I plan to do so within a few days, when I get the money I need. Believe it or not, just because I make a thread to discuss this particular aspect of the game, it's not make or break--it's not the whole game. It's annoying, but it doesn't detract, on the whole, from an otherwise stellar product.

awesome sauce · May 04, 2006, 10:08 PM // 22:08

If everyone was allowed access to it... it wouldn't be so "elite" would it? They would have to tone down the amount of special items there and it would be just like any other pve place in either game. Making it so exclusive allows only the best to acquire these items, kinda like FOW armor (excluding ebay).

Evilsod · May 04, 2006, 10:14 PM // 22:14

Yeah but its not just these 'Elite missions'. Its everything they've messed with recently.
They're screwing up builds just for 12vs12s (MM's, i haven't played my necro since that update), they've totally ruined the 12vs12s themselves by making it a random team arena with no communication between groups (i'd hardly call All chat appropriate). From what i've heard henchman AI is worse than ever. 13 missions seems to be all of Cantha too... 25 missions took a while to get through, but 13? Hardly worth spending 30quid on. There really isn't as much new material as it seems we were promised.
I mean come on, Revealed Hex... did they actually include this sorta thing in there count of 'new' skills? Its the exact frigging same as Inspired Hex last i checked. Same with many other skills.

Kakumei · May 04, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

I mean come on, Revealed Hex... did they actually include this sorta thing in there count of 'new' skills? Its the exact frigging same as Inspired Hex last i checked. Same with many other skills.

No, they didn't.

vtrajan · May 04, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Fantastic point Kakumei.

It doesn't make or break the game.

Uhh the copied skills, Evilsod, are "core" skills that if someone buys Factions standalone, they will get those skills since they won't get prophecies skills.
If it isn't worth your 30 quid in your opinion, don't buy it. We're better off without you whining about it.

Evilsod · May 04, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Edit: Oh yeah, forgot about people who only bought Factions. Still, why change the name...

Lasher Dragon · May 04, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Edit: Oh yeah, forgot about people who only bought Factions. Still, why change the name...

Yeah I must admit I was confused by this at first. Then I realized that because they are technically 2 skills, I could have both on my skillbar at once. While maybe not the most practical, in some cases I have found good use for 2 of basically the same skill.

Drakar · May 04, 2006, 10:28 PM // 22:28

I wonder if you ever heard a professional athlete saying : " It's not fair that Micheal Jordan gets to practice more then me. I should be able to be a NBA star and win millions too but I dont' have the time to practice like him..."

I was reading the whole thread and for a minute I thought I was on Blizzard Worlf of Warcraft forums. Hardcore complains they want harder content. Anet give it to them, the casual complaint they can't access the content. It's always the same useless discussion. If you are not willing to do the time, then don't do the crime. END OF DISCUSSION.