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floplag · May 08, 2006, 09:04 PM // 21:04

theres an old saying that says "most people are fast to complain, and slow to praise"... if at all.

i see thats alive and well in these forums

i for one am having fun, and while ive seen a couple bugs... so be it.

another old saying says "the only real constant in the world is change" ... skill adjustments etc... we all know there are some needed adjustments now like there have been at many times in the past.. and they get made

some of you seriously need to just relax, and enjoy the good, rather than the bad... its a game, its supposed to be fun... and im having fun.. anyone else ?

GunnerMan1 · May 08, 2006, 09:17 PM // 21:17

This should have went in "enjoying factions" thready but anyway i love factions. Some things could use a change but I want more. I like it a lot. Only have 2 beefs with the game at this point.

Str0b0 · May 08, 2006, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Well I don't think it is necessarily that we have to praise everything they do, even if it is good. The reason complaints are so prevalent is that one of the only ways that ANet can become aware of some of the issues in the game is by reading these fansites. At your job do you need to be told constantly," Hey you're doing a bang up job."? If you do then you'll likely be disappointed. If things run smoothly the best compliment you can get is silence. then you know you've made a bug free product. As it is now think of complaints as a second set of eyes looking at what has already been done. Same concept as giving a paper or document to someone else to proof read. Do you know how many hundreds of lines of code there are in a game like this? Things are bound to be missed. As for the mechanics there is little they can do about it now but those comments and complaints will help them make a better product in the future. It's a necessary part of the development process.

master chief matt · May 08, 2006, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by floplag

theres an old saying that says "most people are fast to complain, and slow to praise"... if at all.

i see thats alive and well in these forums

i for one am having fun, and while ive seen a couple bugs... so be it.

another old saying says "the only real constant in the world is change" ... skill adjustments etc... we all know there are some needed adjustments now like there have been at many times in the past.. and they get made

some of you seriously need to just relax, and enjoy the good, rather than the bad... its a game, its supposed to be fun... and im having fun.. anyone else ?

the game is very much a fun game,but when we pay 50$ for a game that is half the material as teh original when it launched i think we ahve a right to complain about that, i would have rather waited another 6 months and gotten a better full game, than 2 chapters over that course.

Also, if you have not had that glitch in v. square, consider yourself lucky. it happens randomly and in a high rate. I was lucky to get through it my first time with my first char, and in under 10 times with my second char. now on my third char i am stuck there bc of the togo/mehnlo glitch

did the game designers not play the game all the way through from beginning to end?

did they not try every combination of the missions, like entering the portals at nahpui quarter in dif orders. i know that there is a glitch there where some people cannot pass through portals for a long period of time.

and people have a right to voice their complaints about a game when there are so many glitches/problems in the game that we all payed 50$ for

Big Tony · May 08, 2006, 09:42 PM // 21:42

I think what the OP is getting at is the sudden flood of topics on this site saying "zOMG!!1! I dont like a certain portion of this game, therefore Anet is the Deevil and doesnt care about players! This game is the sux0r!"

How many updates did prophecies have? I've only played since March but I've seen at least 2 that i can remember in that time alone before Factions came out. I'm sure 98% of the issues players are having will be resolved by future updates. Another addage: Patience is a virtue!

PS dont give me the "I dont have to be patient, I paid $50 for a game" argument. If you dont like it, contact Anet for your money back and stop posting angry rants on the forums and ruining the game for everyone who WANTS to play.

Navaros · May 08, 2006, 09:47 PM // 21:47

I don't think the old adage is returning. There are more fanboy-made threads singing praises for Factions and believing that everything is 100% perfect with it than there are complaint threads about Factions.

Seems to me that most fanboys feel "threatened" when they see a legitimate complaint thread crop up so they try to make as many pro-Factions threads as possible in response to the "threat" they feel.

Quajai · May 08, 2006, 09:54 PM // 21:54

I have to say I'm enjoying Factions so far. It's just I was hoping for a little more. Perhaps my expectations are a bit unfair. I was just hoping for more of an original feel and not just an expansion feeling. Perhaps more new features. I don't think I'll play it nearly as much as I did Prophecies based on what I've seen so far but that probably is a good thing anyway.

MelechRic · May 08, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by Big Tony

PS dont give me the "I dont have to be patient, I paid $50 for a game" argument. If you dont like it, contact Anet for your money back and stop posting angry rants on the forums and ruining the game for everyone who WANTS to play.

You're free to stop reading the threads concerning the limitations/problems with Factions any time you'd like. None of them should be ruining your game unless somehow criticism of a thing you enjoy is taken as a personal affront. If that's the case then you should probably evaluate your relationship with the game and other things in general.

If you want to throw cliches/old addages around then here's two for you:

"The customer is always right."

"You may fool all the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all the time; but you can’t fool all of the people all the time." -- Abraham Lincoln/P.T. Barnum (attribution is unclear)

MelechRic · May 08, 2006, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by Quajai

I have to say I'm enjoying Factions so far. It's just I was hoping for a little more. Perhaps my expectations are a bit unfair. I was just hoping for more of an original feel and not just an expansion feeling. Perhaps more new features. I don't think I'll play it nearly as much as I did Prophecies based on what I've seen so far but that probably is a good thing anyway.

Maybe your hope was based on the sticker price: $50. That might give you (and a lot of other people) reason to believe there'd be an entire game in the box. Instead there's basically an expansion with a broken faction system that encourages mindless minions to farm 24/7 just to play two "Cow" levels.

floplag · May 08, 2006, 10:04 PM // 22:04

i dont think anyone said anything about the game being perfect ... were simply focusing on whats right, rather than whats wrong. big difference

and im hardly threatened by anything here... im just tired of the pointless one sided rants

Big Tony · May 08, 2006, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by MelechRic

You're free to stop reading the threads concerning the limitations/problems with Factions any time you'd like. None of them should be ruining your game unless somehow criticism of a thing you enjoy is taken as a personal affront. If that's the case then you should probably evaluate your relationship with the game and other things in general.

I didnt say the game is free of problems. I didn't say that I think that the people posting threads about their problems with the game should be banned. I'm just becoming tired of hearing "locked gates shows that Anet hates everyone" or "12v12 are screwed and will always be screwed".

All I'm saying is that negativity is running rampant on these forms lately. Starting a respectable post to state a bug/exploit/problem with the game is fine and obviously encouraged, but I've seen too many rants about how the whole game sucks because of 1 part. I tend to try and see things as a whole before i make a decision. And seeing how I haven't seen the whole game, Im holding my criticism until later.

MSecorsky · May 08, 2006, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Bah, some people would complain if you hanged them with a dirty rope. Anyone that thinks this isn't a full game hasn't bothered to slow down and play it. I've just made it to Cavalon with my assassin, created during the early launch. Must have done 50 quests at least.

There's a LOT here, folks!

I do have issues with what I heard about the 12v12 changes... very not good. However, I'm going on the assumption it'll be fixed. Time will tell.

Morgana · May 08, 2006, 10:10 PM // 22:10

I'd rather be playing the game than whining about it, one way or the other. I think Factions is a huge improvement over Prophecies, and love almost everything about it. However, I'm not saying anything against those who don't. I've seen quite a few legitimate complaints(and I do have some myself), but there have been a lot of complaint threads...

Although recently, I've seen several praise threads appear too... funny how all the praise threads got merged...

Eviance · May 08, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Hey I posted a "what are you thankful to GW for" thread in the midst of all my bitching... And I have no idea where it got off to. It was a way to let Anet know that even tho we are raising heck that doesn't mean we don't like any of it. The fact that they have a fanbase should be proof enough of that.

If we didn't like some things we wouldn't be here bitching at all! We would have moved on to something else more interesting! However we know that Anet sometimes listens when we don't like something and so by golly we are going to post our dislikes because THOSE are the things that need change to us. If you like something it doesn't need change so why bring it up? (that is the way most people look at it.)

People wanted more plot and story line... In the last one Rurik goes against his father and kingdom - tries to save the refugees and gets himself offed! (something that a lot of people didn't see coming)
Then you come across these white mantle fighting demons and such - then you see them fighting tree huggers - you find out they are sacrificing people and put an end to that - Mr badguy wants the stick but you don't know that he is the badguy (tho looking back it was obvious) - he helps you to get out to where you ascend and you meet the biatch dragon who says "You were not meant to die here by my hand cause you do not know when you are overmatched!" or something like that - you go to fight the murssaat cause lets just face it no one likes them - you figure out that jerkface is Mr. Badguy! - and off you go to the fires of HELL to save the world... now THAT is a story!

This has very little story that wasn't already shown in the opening video... It seriously does lack and doesn't come across to those of us who recall the Tyrian story as a stand alone or a kick butt game. To us it comes off as "something to occupy our time".

Prophecies grabbed your attention from presear and drug you through a very cool story line, making you the do all end all kick butt guy! This has you babysitting Togo and Mhenlo and the story really doesn't have any meat!

So for those of us who enjoyed certain aspects of the old game or the FPE we aren't all that impressed. We expected to be amazed like we were coming out of presear ascalon for the first time but alas we were not ;_;

There are still things they could do to salvage this flop but I see the streets of Tyria refilling and people farming the last mission and so forth to make money.... I cannot see Factions as the stand alone that Prophecies was, not for the price.

EternalTempest · May 08, 2006, 10:37 PM // 22:37

OP - I think your dead on.

I don't thing Gw:f is perfect and I've not yet beat the game so some area's I just don't know but I'm having a blast playing it.

One of the things I think that people started going nuts is when it forced them to change.

Gold Drops w/ perfect-near perfect drops = Ticks off Gold Farmers
Locked Gates = Ticks off runner

When someone plays a specific way or a very narrow way and something changes that affects them, to them the Anet "messes" with them it greatly impact's them.

A lot (not all) in this situation, do not see the game as a whole so when they don't like what happens with there "Part" game and the changes, it can set them off.

floplag · May 08, 2006, 10:42 PM // 22:42

precisely ... it makes people now play the game

Navaros · May 08, 2006, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by floplag

i dont think anyone said anything about the game being perfect ... were simply focusing on whats right, rather than whats wrong. big difference

and im hardly threatened by anything here... im just tired of the pointless one sided rants

So then if it's "focusing on what's right" then it's a "cool post" and if it's focusing on what's wrong then it's a "pointless rant".

Such a philosophy just serves to underscore what I've said; those who feel threatened by legit criticisms try to "drown it out" by making numerous "praise threads".

If Factions really is such a "great game", then there is no need to feel threatened or react adversely to people posting criticism aka "pointless rants" about it. Ranting about those rants in fact, just gives the impression that indeed Factions does have many flaws that are trying to be swept under the rug by hardcore Anet fans.

MelechRic · May 08, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by Navaros

So then if it's "focusing on what's right" then it's a "cool post" and if it's focusing on what's wrong then it's a "pointless rant".

Such a philosophy just serves to underscore what I've said; those who feel threatened by legit criticisms try to "drown it out" by making numerous "praise threads".

If Factions really is such a "great game", then there is no need to feel threatened or react adversely to people posting criticism aka "pointless rants" about it. Ranting about those rants in fact, just gives the impression that indeed Factions does have many flaws that are trying to be swept under the rug by hardcore Anet fans.

Nicely stated.

AhuraMazda · May 08, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

You cant make a game that pleases everyone. People who dont understand this feel the need to complain the minute something displeases them.

The people who do understand this get their opinions, suggestions and concerns drowned by the flood of, well, spam.

Ultimatly its best not to complain at all in these circumstances, as it becomes a fanboi versus hater spam fest ([email protected] first page of this forum), but to see if you can do anything to help improve the game/situation.

Omni Spirit · May 08, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by EternalTempest

OP - I think your dead on.

I don't thing Gw:f is perfect and I've not yet beat the game so some area's I just don't know but I'm having a blast playing it.

One of the things I think that people started going nuts is when it forced them to change.

Gold Drops w/ perfect-near perfect drops = Ticks off Gold Farmers
Locked Gates = Ticks off runner

When someone plays a specific way or a very narrow way and something changes that affects them, to them the Anet "messes" with them it greatly impact's them.

A lot (not all) in this situation, do not see the game as a whole so when they don't like what happens with there "Part" game and the changes, it can set them off.

Thats what made GWP so much better then Faction...it gave ppl the freedom. If they want to farm or run people, that was great, people had something to do and it was good for the game too.

Farmers lower the price of rare items by putting more of it into circulation.
Runners are there for ppl that already finished and don't want to dredge thru it again.

Here is Anet's 2 biggest mistake, taking out 2 things that RP gamers like.
I guess it shouldn't matter cause faction is geared toward pvp anyway.
Hence, my prediction is chapter 2 will be a total disappointment even with there minor patches and Chapter 3 will be a total failure.

Good Bye Anet...the one hit wonder.