Curse

Fossa · May 11, 2006, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Notice that Gaile and Alex have taken the time to drop in several comments in recent threads, but they won't say a word on this subject.

From Gaile's chat: "I think you'd be surprised at the percentage of those who can reach the elite missions"

Please, tell us Gaile, how many percent of the Faction players has had access so far?

MelechRic · May 11, 2006, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Fossa

From Gaile's chat: "I think you'd be surprised at the percentage of those who can reach the elite missions"

Please, tell us Gaile, how many percent of the Faction players has had access so far?

Well if it's big then I guess I'm a loser since I haven't been. Hmm... maybe I don't want Gaile to answer that question.

felinette · May 11, 2006, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Really, I feel like access to elite missions is not a reward for... doing "well"... rather, I feel like denial of access is a punishment for not enjoying things in the game that the devs feel that we should enjoy. Like they want to force us to "want" to be in a huge guild and alliance with a bunch of strangers.

That's the spin I get from it, too. No matter how great the "reward", though, they'll never get me to farm. Hell, I have a few hours on a weekday to play games and there are other games out there. After I get home from work, that last thing I want is another grind.

Stabber · May 11, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Notice that Gaile and Alex have taken the time to drop in several comments in recent threads, but they won't say a word on this subject.

They are probably subject to a gag order. Also they are the wrong people to ask for explanations as they are the PR filter. I doubt they are empowered to provide any worthwhile answers.

This issue needs to be heard and addressed by a game designer. Who will be the first gaming media company with some clout to ask this at an interview with Jeff Strain or someone equally high up? Come on, GameSpot, GameSpy, Kotaku, etc., wow us with an interview worth reading.

UndeadRoadkill · May 11, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by Stabber

They are probably subject to a gag order. Also they are the wrong people to ask for explanations as they are the PR filter. I doubt they are empowered to provide any worthwhile answers.

This issue needs to be heard and addressed by a game designer. Who will be the first gaming media company with some clout to ask this at an interview with Jeff Strain or someone equally high up? Come on, GameSpot, GameSpy, Kotaku, etc., wow us with an interview worth reading.

Yeah, I know, but I just wish that whoever makes the PR decisions would at least acknowledge our arguments. And I don't mean the way Gaile did the other day, where she displayed such a lack of understanding. A "we hear you, we're not changing it," is the least they could do, considering this is a very big issue that a great many people feel strongly about.

makosi · May 11, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

I have no guild, never mind an alliance. Can someone post screenies of these elite missions because thats as close as i'll get.

Zehnchu · May 11, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Large alliance’s holding and controlling towns was a major concern way before Factions was released. And it is far worse then what was feared. I really don’t see how the numbers of people who have access to these “elite mission” are greater then the people, who don’t nor will never get to play these areas.

Imho alliances have their rewards their guild name on town, discounts at the merchant, but giving them exclusive access to the toughest challenging missions in the game, rewarding faction farming is a complete joke. And it makes the favor system of FoW/UW look like a dream come true.

I still think elite missions should be accessible to everyone in the controlling Faction. And if they want to reward faction farming then they can offer those who control the towns free access to elite missions and everyone else pays a fee the same as Fow/UW. Sorry I don’t like the idea of gold going to the controlling alliances to further befit from farming. Or they could have put two town in the middle to make the two sides fight for control of the line to gain access to elite missions for the winning Faction side (Luxon or Kurzicks) anything would have been better then this favor system they have now.

sgtclarity · May 11, 2006, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Just pretend like they don't exist.
In my case, i've seen occasional people taking people for money, like 500 gold.
It sounds fair to me.

Rogmar · May 11, 2006, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by sgtclarity

Just pretend like they don't exist.

Exactly...would you complain if the town controlling system wasn't implemented at all? Most likely no. So why do you complain now? It's basically like the top guilds "farming" the HoH chest.

Zehnchu · May 11, 2006, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by sgtclarity

Just pretend like they don't exist.
In my case, i've seen occasional people taking people for money, like 500 gold.
It sounds fair to me.

Vague?

Stabber · May 11, 2006, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by sgtclarity

Just pretend like they don't exist.

Thanks for that helpful suggestion. Maybe I should also pretend that Factions isn't half the size of Prophecies. And that Alliance Battles are fun. And that GvG and PvP in general are not dying the death of a thousand apathies.

On second thought, let me not pretend my way into cloud cuckoo land. This is Guild Wars, not Barney and Friends. Let's not play pretend.

Teklord · May 11, 2006, 10:52 PM // 22:52

I have to admit, I love it when people give the ever un-intelligent "Just ignore it and it'll go away" answer. Cracks me up every time.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot are they thinking when they post that?
No one needs to answer this question.

I'm also noticing the person agreeing is a member of Farmers R' Us. Could go further to comment on profession choice, but I think I've made my point.

allience · May 11, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09

i'm very annoyed about the elite missions access. i've already beaten the game with a RT, now doing it with my necro. i've never even SEEN what these mission are and were they are located. i though that it's just because i didn't know were it was located. but learning about this restricted access crap makes me really mad!

sad part is that i'm a capable player, with a good guild and we win halls almost daily. yet we never got into that pve area and i've never even seen these town owners. i find it's very unfair for ppl to be locked out on an entire area. i payd 50$ for this game and i feel cheated out.

these elite missions are probably the only areas were players would actually enjoy a good pve match besides fow/uw. for us pvp players, used to much more difficult game play, the regular missions are boring. it's not right to restrict those areas. it should be just like fow/uw, were every1 that payed a small free can gain access. for god sakes, it's a game and we, as customers, should be able to go werever the hell we please!!!

=HT=Ingram · May 11, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

In all honesty the Challenge missions and the elite missions are very similar in objectives and style. Howerver... The Elite missions tend to have somewhat better drops, BECAUSE so few are able to farm it to death... But alas. Eventually I'm sure Anet will provide a way for more to go there... May be soe time however. Think of Sorrows Furnece timeframe... Just cut it down from 12 month scale to 6 month scale. so using that logic in 4 months time, we may see something along that line.

master chief matt · May 11, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by Rogmar

Exactly...would you complain if the town controlling system wasn't implemented at all? Most likely no. So why do you complain now? It's basically like the top guilds "farming" the HoH chest.

again, only people from teh black blades are the ones telling us to shut up. and anyone can farm an hoh chest, there are no fame reqs for forming a group to get into hoh.

GloryFox · May 12, 2006, 04:03 AM // 04:03

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again, only people from teh black blades are the ones telling us to shut up. and anyone can farm an hoh chest, there are no fame reqs for forming a group to get into hoh.

Great point

I have a friend who has no rank and he and a few others held HoH for one match. Not bad for not having a Bambi. He lost to a European team and said it was a close match. The nice thing with favor is that it allows 1/4th of the game base to actually get into UW and FOW ELITE PvE missions. Unlike this silly Faction system that only allows .001% of the game base to fully enjoy the PvE area of the game.

Lucifer PVP · May 12, 2006, 04:56 AM // 04:56

3,000,000 faction is crap
Lets just say most alliances have 300 members total .. now each member donates 10k faction at the same time. 300 * 10,000 = 3,000,000. So in one day you spike your faction to 3,000,000. The deg is 300,000, correct me if i am wrong. So you need 30 people donating 10k or 60 people donating 5k per a day to maintain the 3 million. So if all members just wait to spike their faction there is a good reason to believe an alliance could hold the main city. The problem with the elite missions isn't the 3-4million faction an alliance has to have, it is the other 200 members of the alliance not helping, causing the other members to suffer. Some of the people complaining just want things handed to them and some are working hard to take over the main areas. Now that we have an update that reports the amount of faction a guild donates to the alliance, a guild now can know when it is time to move to another alliance or create there own. Now to open the elite mission for the skilled players maybe they should allow for the current challenge record holders to have access to the areas. Doing this would not allow for alliances to farm the challenge areas. (Beat the all time record by one gives you 8k faction and 2k gold. ) I got 90k faction in about an hour and a half.

Main point is dump the non productive guilds, you may have to merge with larger ones and spike your faction. 3-4 million faction is quite easy to get if everyone works together and dumps in the faction at the same time. That isn't grinding. if your alliance isn't able to produce that much faction and you have a decent size alliance base (300 Total) then there is a lack of good leadership or there are leeches in your guild/alliances.. Yes i do realize that grinding in the end will win but atm any alliance can come out of no where and take the main city.

Am i wrong about the sizes of alliances?

=HT=Ingram · May 12, 2006, 06:46 AM // 06:46

We already saw the capital change hands at least 4 times since launch. and that's with constant farming for the upkeep... So I feel eventually some more will get in. May take some time, but it will happen. they just can't maintain the faction farming on that level forever and enjoy what they are doing...

Fossa · May 12, 2006, 07:28 AM // 07:28

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

The nice thing with favor is that it allows 1/4th of the game base to actually get into UW and FOW ELITE PvE missions. Unlike this silly Faction system that only allows .001% of the game base to fully enjoy the PvE area of the game.

Favor is a very bad system too. Imagine you were on an Asian server right now or on an European server last summer. UW/FoW access 2-3 hours a week? I'd be furious.

generik · May 12, 2006, 07:47 AM // 07:47

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Originally Posted by Fossa

From Gaile's chat: "I think you'd be surprised at the percentage of those who can reach the elite missions"

Please, tell us Gaile, how many percent of the Faction players has had access so far?

15%?

If it is truly that many.. then quite frankly I am impressed.