Curse

lg5000 · May 11, 2006, 12:25 AM // 00:25

Damn, I thought fow and uw was there for the challenge.. how wrong must I have been questing down there instead of farming?

GloryFox · May 11, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

I feel sad for the developers who obviously took precious time to make areas that no one will realy adventure through. I mean.... I went around to several towns that had ownership and did not see anyone in them. I saw one XoO person in HzH braging about being in there but that was about it. So many people includeing myself who enjoy the thrill of a challange and so few to enjoy thoes challenges. What a waste of space on my Hard Drive and what a waste of time for the developers.

UndeadRoadkill · May 11, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by Senator Tom

stop whining and face the truth. untill anet changes it

You know, a hope for change is kind of the reason threads like these are made...

Jormund · May 11, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

If I can get in, so can you:

More later when Imageshack lets me upload!

master chief matt · May 11, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by sgtclarity

I can't believe you all are so pathetic. You expect to get the creme of the crop for doing nothing? Maybe you haven't realized it yet, but these guilds who control the capitols do so because they WORKED to EARN the faction for them. You have no right whatsoever to complain one bit.

OMG read wtf we are saying, do you see anyone saying we should have these elite missions handed to us? ive been reading the new posts since i started the thread. NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS SAID THEY NEED TO OPEN IT UP TO ANYONE. we are all saying, and have come to a general agreement that it should be available for anyone to get to, like in tombs, or hoh, or obsidien armor, anyone can get to it so long as your side has favor, and you can finish the uber hard missions to get the forger to make you armor.

people like you who vomit opinions with out even reading what we are saying are the really pathetic ones out there. faction farming is not work, its grinding and an aspect of the game that sucks royaly.

master chief matt · May 11, 2006, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by Jormund

If I can get in, so can you:

More later when Imageshack lets me upload!

ok, so you got in, what one is that? kurzic or luxon? i know for a fact that there are kurzic guilds that have members that will invite people to go with them. as for luxon groups, unless you are a personal friend in real life with one of their members you probably wont get an invite unless you pay them, or dump 10k faction to get in.

and dont tell me for one second that you think the current requirements for getting into teh elite missions is fair, it discriminates against every person who only has a few hours a day each day or even less.

Stockholm · May 11, 2006, 02:01 AM // 02:01

We should orgenise a 24 hour walkout when everyone who is aginst the current faction system DO NOT LOG ON. Then A-Net can see how many ppl really are aginst it and what chapter 3's player base will be like.

master chief matt · May 11, 2006, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

Now if people who raced through the game and got bored because they bet it so early also got bored of doing those repeatable quests then that is their own damn fault.

ehhh, i have to disagree with that, its not our fault we finished the game so quickly. ive done alot of quests with my assasin, and they are all pretty easy and quick to do. there are far less towns and outposts in cantha than in tyria, and there are half as many missions, and there are no long missions in the game except for raisu palace. the rest of the missions are all about a half hour long or so. in prophecies there were missions, like thk, that took an hour+ to do.

factions is way too short, and not enough extra stuff for us to do. people get bored doing the side quests, we've been doing them for a year with prophecies. titles arent really that important to many, some of them take no skill to earn, like opening 1200 high end chests, or being drunk for 10,000 minutes total

it would be nice if in their planning they had made an sf/uw/fow/tombs style place for the rest of us. honestly though, the missions we are faced with are no challenge really, too short, and do not keep us busy. prophecies had you usuing up the entire map, with missions that made you run long distances in order get to the next primary spot.

what we all realy want is something to challenge us, nothing in factions is challenging. all ive resorted to is re-doing a couple of missions to farm for rare weapons that are specific to that place. this is not chalenging, but atleast i have something to do and get rare skins for my warior and assasin

master chief matt · May 11, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

We should orgenise a 24 hour walkout when everyone who is aginst the current faction system DO NOT LOG ON. Then A-Net can see how many ppl really are aginst it and what chapter 3's player base will be like.

i honestly, and whole heartedly agree with this, because aparently talking about the problem, and bringing it to gailes attention, along with that of anet, is having to bearing on the problem being solved.

my friend was talking about crashing lions arch, we all just go in there and sit around. absolutely crash lions arch, and leave cantha empty for a day.

Spook_Cell · May 11, 2006, 03:14 AM // 03:14

I don't know why everyone is being so mean to Gaile, she's just the PR person. For the most part she relates info between the players and the devs and it's her job to smile and say everything is peachy whether it is or not.

The faction system will be worked on but to what extent I don't really know. They've already made a few tweaks to make faction harder to gain (Luxon arena quest) but there are still many obvious exploits (Luxon supplyline quest). Hopefully there will be a point where the alliance battles are a viable way of making faction but for now the repeatable PvE quests are your best bet for grinding out faction fast.

As for how to gain access to the elite missions you only need a member of the holding alliance to bring you into the elite mission outpost, after that as along as you don't zone out you can do the mission itself as many times as you want.

The real problem with faction is it's too easy to get. Jade has gone from 3k just yesterday to 2k this afternoon to 1.6k tonight and that's only with the people who aren't turning their points in to their alliance.

Personally I see the whole system as a good idea that was very poorly implemented. It's sad to see AN drop the ball once again and IMO this was very predictable as many people pointed out after the preview weekend.

Changes will be made but I wouldn't hold my breath with E3 going on and even then I doubt it will allow everyone to enjoy the elite missions to their leasure. So for now your best bet is to find someone in an alliance that reads the Bible alot (Do unto others yadda yadda yadda) and is nice enough to let you in or wait for things to change as they will inevitably.

shadowfell · May 11, 2006, 03:43 AM // 03:43

The system is flawed anyhow. It needs to be changed. As a previous poster said, people log out from the area, and log back into the area. "favour or faction" or not. There is a flaw whether by fairness to all, or by the greed machine it has become. I admit I love the perfect items I'm getting from the mission, but I guess you don't realize how much of the game you are missing when you are spending 4+ hours a day running the same pattern in any given faction map.

It's tiring.

GloryFox · May 11, 2006, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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We should orgenise a 24 hour walkout when everyone who is aginst the current faction system DO NOT LOG ON. Then A-Net can see how many ppl really are aginst it and what chapter 3's player base will be like.

Im up for a 24hr walkout.. It should take 3 weeks to cordnate one. Say June 3rd. Its a saturday and a day most people would be on.

What don't we wan't
GRIND!
When don't we wan't it
NOW!

Senator Tom · May 11, 2006, 05:15 AM // 05:15

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Originally Posted by master chief matt

ok, so you got in, what one is that? kurzic or luxon? i know for a fact that there are kurzic guilds that have members that will invite people to go with them. as for luxon groups, unless you are a personal friend in real life with one of their members you probably wont get an invite unless you pay them, or dump 10k faction to get in.

and dont tell me for one second that you think the current requirements for getting into teh elite missions is fair, it discriminates against every person who only has a few hours a day each day or even less.

i have 2-3 hours mondays, wednesdays, and fridays..if i dont have a lot of homework. im in the cavalon alliance.

UndeadRoadkill · May 11, 2006, 05:19 AM // 05:19

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Originally Posted by master chief matt

it would be nice if in their planning they had made an sf/uw/fow/tombs style place for the rest of us.

Hey, how about a third "elite" mission on par with the others that you can only enter if you are NOT a member of an alliance that is controlling or has recently controlled a town?

Really, I feel like access to elite missions is not a reward for... doing "well"... rather, I feel like denial of access is a punishment for not enjoying things in the game that the devs feel that we should enjoy. Like they want to force us to "want" to be in a huge guild and alliance with a bunch of strangers.

master chief matt · May 11, 2006, 09:30 AM // 09:30

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Hey, how about a third "elite" mission on par with the others that you can only enter if you are NOT a member of an alliance that is controlling or has recently controlled a town?

Really, I feel like access to elite missions is not a reward for... doing "well"... rather, I feel like denial of access is a punishment for not enjoying things in the game that the devs feel that we should enjoy. Like they want to force us to "want" to be in a huge guild and alliance with a bunch of strangers.

I think that this is more than fair, again, it gives the rest of us a chalenge, because we all know how challenging the rest of the game was.....

Macktar Wang · May 11, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by Senator Tom

i have 2-3 hours mondays, wednesdays, and fridays..if i dont have a lot of homework. im in the cavalon alliance.

Congratulations?

I don't get what you are saying. So you are on for about 6-9 hours during the week (your numbers). Does that mean everyone in the Cavalon Alliance is? How many people are in the alliance? Just because you play only a limited amount of time, all of a sudden overtaking Cavalon is easy?

Here's an idea, since you are so good. Leave your Alliance. Start a new guild, then a new alliance. With your newly built alliance, take over Cavalon. Then, post up that you have done it. Only then will I see that it is actually possible to overtake a holding alliance.

master chief matt · May 11, 2006, 12:59 PM // 12:59

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Originally Posted by Macktar Wang

Congratulations?

I don't get what you are saying. So you are on for about 6-9 hours during the week (your numbers). Does that mean everyone in the Cavalon Alliance is? How many people are in the alliance? Just because you play only a limited amount of time, all of a sudden overtaking Cavalon is easy?

Here's an idea, since you are so good. Leave your Alliance. Start a new guild, then a new alliance. With your newly built alliance, take over Cavalon. Then, post up that you have done it. Only then will I see that it is actually possible to overtake a holding alliance.

/signed, amen man. that is exactly what we have all been saying about faction farming. it will be impossible for any new guild/alliance to take cavalon, and i highly doubt this guy will take up your call to arms, because he knows that it will be impossible

Moa Bird Cultist · May 11, 2006, 01:01 PM // 13:01

All I have to say on the subject is: Watch out, ZoO and BkBl, as the small guilds will be at your throats once everyone is up to speed. Our alliance has around 40,000 faction at the moment, but we've not got started, because most of the players are still not at house. As has been mentioned already, faction isnt hard to come by, one way or the other, so my mind is set: We're coming for your elite status, prepare yourselves!

coolsti · May 11, 2006, 01:23 PM // 13:23

I am taking my time with Factions, and so none of my characters have yet reached end game, so what goes on there is still unknown to me. But I have heard from my guildmates that this indeed seems to be the case: elite missions are only open to those who control the key towns. We also realize that, as non-grinding players, we as a guild or alliance will never ever have the opportunity to control these towns.

What on earth was Anet thinking when they designed this? With no end-game equivalent to UW/FOW/SF/ToPK in the Factions chapter, many users will very quickly become bored with the game and, well, just leave.

Maybe this is Anet's plan? How many people can their servers accommodate at a time anyway? Maybe better to have many many people buy the game, play it for a while, and then stop to make room for the next?

I for one do very much hope that Anet is rethinking what they have done here, and then drastically change how access to elite missions is done. Or add new content giving us a Factions version of UW/FOW, etc.

Peewee · May 11, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33

This is how i see it. You bought this game. Did you buy it for the elite missions? no. so what do you think gives you the right to demand access to elite missions. There is an increasingly worrying trend in gamers, especially MMOs that says 'i bought your game, i own this game, i own you.' There are a limited number of towns, and a lot of alliances out there. Some, just like the top ranked gvg guilds, are going to be fanatical about claiming these places. let them have what they deserve.

However, The problem as i see it, is that claiming elite missions is not down to skill, but rather how much you play, which is the opposite of GW motto. Becuase alliance standing is largely down to the number of members in the alliance, it seems that large farming communities are the ones who will get the highest standing. Whats more, in order to compete with these alliances you must play about 20-40 alliance battles a day, assuming a 50/50 win ratio. Most people simply cannot manage this.

A proposal is to perhaps to make alliance to elite missions possible after earning, say 1,000,000-5,000,000 faction from either side. This is high enough so that its hard to get to, but equally it is attainable with enough hard work. Currently the RATE of faction accumulation is rewarded, not the actual total. As a result smaller alliances, which tbh tend to be comprised of a small number of pvp players, and could be considered the more elite of GW players, will never ever ever get a chance to crack these missions. While one can get to rank 9, with enough time and hard work, and perhaps get into the top 10 guilds, competing with faction farmers is going to be impossible. Cavalon and House Zu Heltzer will be forever owned by alliances with the most amount of ppl possible, forever farming faction, and not really playing the game, or even contributing to much of a community. That is what i beleive is wrong with this system, its a double standard, and is clearly rewarding the wrong people. All i can say, is that whatever these people get will be shunned by the vast majority of the community.

I hope a compromise can be reached, that still rewards those who earn it, but is still accessable to the people that actually play the game, rather than farming it for all it is worth. ANET has made some big design errors with factions, i hope they are rectified