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ERMC · Jun 02, 2006, 07:04 AM // 07:04

like was said earlier usually the districts 1 of each major city are the ones filled with trade spam. When i'm trying to sell or buy something i usually go there and i hardly ever see anyone try to form a group in la1 or droks 1 and so on. I think most players have figured it out and the lower the district you go you find pugs and some conversations going on.

I also have seen the trade chat used for converstations and forming groups so do not act like it's all one sided.

I am not defending the use of all chat for selling but i have been playing this game for almost a year (1 month till mini pet YAY) and it doesn't bother me anymore. I can serioulsy read all that is going on in a town and find what i am looking for. If anet really wanted to stop trade chat spaming the could make some kind of punishment for it but with the thousands doing it that would just get ridiculous. Plus they have been talking about Auction house even before the started releasing info about chapter 2 and still nothing. It's obviously not a major concern to them so they have no rush on it.

i was in ToA earlier today and someone was trying to buy ecto in local chat and not one person said anything about using trade chat. Most people have come to accept it and telling people it's annoying isn't going to stop them as there is no consequence for using all chat to sell and buy.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jun 02, 2006, 07:09 AM // 07:09

Oh well, if it wasn't full of trade chat it would be full of political and religious arguements.. With the not-so-occasional "yo mama" joke.

Ishmaeel · Jun 02, 2006, 07:11 AM // 07:11

tl;dr after the half of second page.

Here's my view anyway: We (those who are annoyed by the local trade spam) cannot force/convince the traders to use trade channel. Not with insults, not with kind words, not with pleas and begging.

What we can do is make spamming the local channel "not viable" -- simply by not selling to and buying from anyone who spams local. If we are in the majority, we should reap the rewards with time.

If we are not, we might as well suck it up and accept the thing as the nature of the beast, because even an auction house will not totally eliminate the problem.

Arkantos · Jun 02, 2006, 07:14 AM // 07:14

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Oh well, if it wasn't full of trade chat it would be full of political and religious arguements.. With the not-so-occasional "yo mama" joke.

Actually, in popular cities d1 I see actual conversations. I rarely see big arguments...other then house/cavalon -.-

TheMosesPHD · Jun 02, 2006, 07:29 AM // 07:29

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Oh well, if it wasn't full of trade chat it would be full of political and religious arguements.. With the not-so-occasional "yo mama" joke.

Wow you're extremely right! Now I understand why Random Arenas spawns so many mindless debates. O.o

Now for all of you who are arguing against the use of Local Chat for trading, ask yourself: Do you really want every city to end up like RA?

Long live trade spam!!

michaeldt · Jun 02, 2006, 07:40 AM // 07:40

Sorry inscribed, you cannot pass the buck on this one and blame Anet for it. There are only two channels which reach everyone in the district. Trade and All. If sellers use all chat then people looking to group up have no chance.

It IS selfish to use all chat. You have the choice of using trade or all chat. Just because you want to sell something doesn't give you the right to spam an entire distict. You complain how long it takes to sell items? Well, think how long it takes people to play through the game because people like you are spamming all chat preventing people from grouping up to play the game. Since when did was your time worth more than everyone else's?

As to your 'point' that selling in all chat is more effective? Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. Unless of course you're trying to sell overpriced items to people who don't know better. I do all my trading in the Trade channel and I never wait long to sell an item. Why? Because I sell it for a price I know is reasonable.

neuro_999 · Jun 02, 2006, 07:51 AM // 07:51

I think the solution goes to filter the general chat with the names in your ignore list. This will stop the spammers for using it if they know they can be ignored. And if they dont u cant ignore the spammers and live better.
Salu2.

draxynnic · Jun 02, 2006, 08:04 AM // 08:04

You know... while an auction house or similar would be good to have for everyone...

I think we can all take our bearing from the fact that ANet did put the filters in in the first place. This indicates, to me, that THEY think it's a problem.

Furthermore, I'll have to double-check this, but there's probably something in the EULA about evading filters. I'm sure that someone who deliberately evades a swear-word filter can probably be reported and, potentially, suspended or banned. I wonder if the same is true for evading the trading in all chat filter as well?

Ellador Nae · Jun 02, 2006, 08:09 AM // 08:09

It seems we all agree on one thing- ANet's solution to trade is insufficient (not just the annoying spamtrade in All chat, but in general).

I trade quite a bit and yes, I post an occasional WTB/WTS in 'All'. And you know what? It's worth 10 msgs in 'Trade'. That doesn't make it right for me to advertise like that, but it's the best option for traders at the moment.

Traders should have more in-game options! Where can you sell stuff? In larger areas the trade channel gets so many msgs that it all whizzes by in a second. Create an island, "Press T to open the Trade window" where an auction house/searchable and browsable billboard would be, whatever, just do something. The 'Trade' chan is often not enough.

That said, I don't think anything except it being a reportable and bannable offence would stop people from advertising in 'All'.

Witchblade · Jun 02, 2006, 08:14 AM // 08:14

cmon, stop whining about the locale channel ... turn it off
i ve never had a problem using those channels .. as long as u dont go in LA 1 or Ascalon 1 .. it's fine

TheMosesPHD · Jun 02, 2006, 08:34 AM // 08:34

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Originally Posted by neuro_999

I think the solution goes to filter the general chat with the names in your ignore list. This will stop the spammers for using it if they know they can be ignored. And if they dont u cant ignore the spammers and live better.
Salu2.

The ignore list? It only has TEN slots. I actually use a lot of those slots because I've found some loons in game that I just can't stand. I actually wish the list was bigger. I only have one slot open in my ignore list to use for temporary ignores, and even if I had all ten slots open for blocking buyers, then there are still tons of spammers left.

Of course I've noticed someone has used the old complaint that you can't form groups and silly trash like that because of all the spam. The solution is so simple that I don't see why you find forming groups a problem. First off, most of the cities where you form groups, like missions or quest outposts, don't have a problem with trade spam. There is no frequent problem there. You may occassionally get someone spamming once or twice to sell something, but those idiots usually learn and stop.

The only places left are the major outposts. The big gold thumbtacks on your world map. Everyone, including you, knows that the first few districts of a town are where people go to spam. So all the people that have any clue at all (and it's these and only these clue-grasping people that you'll want in your groups anyway) will move to the higher numbered districts to form groups.

At present time there is no effective alternative to spamming in local chat to sell things. The people that say we should all use trade chat are the exact same people saying they frequently mute said chat. But we should all know where spam occurs and where it doesn't. I don't see why you can't use this knowledge and just change districts in the very few towns where spamming is a big problem.
LA, Droks, Ascalon
Kaineng, House, Cavalon

That's six towns, three per chapter. Not many at all. And I might add that House and Cavalon do not have much of a spam problem at all. Plenty of people are successfully forming groups there, and even conversing about whatever they please even in the first district.

Swinging Fists · Jun 02, 2006, 08:35 AM // 08:35

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

Droknar's Forge, Ascalon City, and Lion's Arch are the cities that people go to (In Tyria) when looking to buy things - people who have trade chat on!. (Where do they shop in Cantha?)

I'd have to say the main spot is Kaineng Center (d1 of course).

I never blamed the people spamming the ALL channel before the filter because they had to compete with the others who were doing it, but now? Personally, I will not buy or sell from anyone who "gets around" the trade filter. It just bothers me that ANet tried to do something to make things a little better for us and these arses deliberately bypass it. I don't get upset or comment to them, I just won't buy their items.

Unless I'm crafting armor, I am never in "buy" mode, but yet I keep my trade channel open in case I spot a good deal. I assume there are many others out there as well. Also, the last couple weeks, I've been selling amulets, using the trade channel exclusively, and had very little problem selling them. I never saw a WTB Amulet of the Mists, but yet was able to find buyers with their trade channel on, and I didn't have to spend hours doing it.

The way I do it is to write the ad, asking for a pm, then I change districts after one ad. <Enter>, Up Arrow, <Enter> (repeats the ad in the next district), and change to next district. I cycle through all the districts that way and repeat for any city that I think might have a number of people. It was always Kaineng that I found the buyers, and now that I think about it, usually not d1.

Perhaps, ANet should rename the "Trade" channel to the "LFG" channel, redo the color scheme, and let traders spam the "ALL" channel all they want. Would the traders then infiltrate the LFG channel too ? Hopefully not.

It just comes down to a matter of respect, for yourself and others.

makosi · Jun 02, 2006, 08:44 AM // 08:44

I really don't see the problem with it. Ok, it's a little irritating but if you don't want your chat spammed with WTB/WTS don't go to Droks or Kaineng. Those cities don't offer anything more or less than other places. They have been the GW trade areas for months now and if I don't want a headache I don't go to Droks or Kaineng. If that's the worst in-game problem, I think we're laughing.

TheMosesPHD · Jun 02, 2006, 08:47 AM // 08:47

Many people say they have no trouble selling things in trade chat. But if there wasn't a variance in color, some people spamming white and some people spamming pink, it would be hard to notice the individual items flying by. When I see too much white, i spam pink. When I see too much pink, i spam white. But if every single WTB or WTS was pink instead of variating, and you should go to the city and try and imagine it, it would be much more difficult for buyers and sellers to notice your individual sales unless they were in "buy mode". And of course I revert to my statement that many people mute trade chat all together when they're not in "buy mode".

Helll is for Heroes · Jun 02, 2006, 08:48 AM // 08:48

me and my mates usually have a conversation in the trade channel, its a lot easier.

Permasiel · Jun 02, 2006, 08:50 AM // 08:50

Turn local chat off when you try to sell/buy, and after a while the local chat spammers will notice they can never make any transactions when spamming there and the problem will be solved.

Arkantos · Jun 02, 2006, 08:51 AM // 08:51

It doesnt really bother me in towns, cuz I barely do quests with PUGs. But hwne I saw about 4 people spamming to sell something in Raisu Palace earlier, I was like OMGWTFBBQ

MirkoTeran · Jun 02, 2006, 08:55 AM // 08:55

I really think this game needs and in-game mods that will ban people for x-hours for doing stupid things like spamming in local chat. Coupled with a nice message "Player X has been banned for Y hours for spamming" to all to warn them it should give some idea that doing it is wrong. (Simmilar sanctions would also be applied for using all caps, cursing,...)

Servant of Kali · Jun 02, 2006, 08:57 AM // 08:57

Sorry but, i dont see how not-having-auction-house or anything like that, is an excuse for spamming local chan. It's tedious to find PUG group for questing in LA or Droknar, i bet. Not just that, but i find it highly annoying when im in other outposts/towns/mission areas, and people keep spamming local chan with trade offers. I mean, I TURNED OFF TRADE CHANNEL WITH A REASON no thx i dont wanna buy your stuff!

Im a nazi, and i would first post on official website "use trade channel", then i would start giving temporary bans for everyone who does not use it. You dont need to ban everyone, just a small percentage. That will teach the others. When you can access the account for 3 days, that will be tough for most addicts. Then if you repeat offense, 10 days. Then a month. GG. It's good for ANet cause banned person doesnt waste their bandwith, and since he bought the game who cares if he plays or not :P

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really don't see the problem with it. Ok, it's a little irritating but if you don't want your chat spammed with WTB/WTS don't go to Droks or Kaineng. Those cities don't offer anything more or less than other places.

Well in LA for instance u may want to find pugs for quests.. but alas. However, in Prophecies i was ok with it. Ascalon, LA, Droknar. People were selling stuff there.. understood. What i dont understand is spammage of local chan in OTHER areas. And that's what i complain about. Droknar can have 10 trade chans as long as i care.

arcady · Jun 02, 2006, 08:58 AM // 08:58

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Originally Posted by inscribed

I do agree with ya on that, but it isn't the traders you should have the issue with. Take issue with Anet for not giving us any alternative (trade chat isn't a viable alternative).

You should be banned.

Plain and simple.

Why is local chat better than trade chat? Both are just chat channels - use the proper one or get out of the game.