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Sarevok Thordin · Jun 02, 2006, 01:59 AM // 01:59

The filter for WTB and WTS just isn't working....

Right now in Euro Drok District 1. Local chat is being spammed WORSE than trade chat itself with a few morons who simply cannot use the fricken trade channel.

We might as well leave local to it's doomed stance and make a new channel called "Talk" at this rate >_<

Gmr Leon · Jun 02, 2006, 02:07 AM // 02:07

I've met quite a few people in my travels talking about the local chat spammers,asking them to stop. Though once in a district in Kaineng Center me and some other people were able to have a conversation in local chat!

TheMosesPHD · Jun 02, 2006, 02:10 AM // 02:10

Then once that channel fills up we can start up the "Speak" channel and then eventually the "SCREAM" channel

Maybe they'll just take the new trading system we've been promised to come "after factions" and bundle it into Chapter 3 as a "feature" to boost Christmas sales.

guppy · Jun 02, 2006, 02:12 AM // 02:12

It's actually because Anet seems under-staffed or something and cannot focus on many issues at once. A few months to fix a major issue with factions elite missions on a game that just came out.. come on Anet, that's just unprofessional and if Ch. 3 comes out before......

Anyways, filters (as many already know) don't work, and unless they come up with a solution to trading, the local chat will always be spammed to get more attention for people looking to sell. You can filter my chat all day long and I am sure there is a way to get around it.

You can't blame people because the trading system is worse than many games out there (which is kind of sad considering the quality of the game). Well that didn't come out the way I meant, what I mean is that you can't expect, with a large community, that people will remain civil and act appropriately.

Gmr Leon · Jun 02, 2006, 02:18 AM // 02:18

....Should we start chatting in the Trade channel and see how they like it? XD

robrobrob · Jun 02, 2006, 02:21 AM // 02:21

I agree that ArenaNet's handling of sale-spam in Local Chat is horrible and their efforts for an improved trading system has no evidence to support it exists. Is the filter their idea of an improvement, or is it just a touch they felt should be implemented while they work on bigger fixes to trade? I wrote my thoughts/feelings on this on GWS. http://gws.echoshift.net/?p=9

inscribed · Jun 02, 2006, 02:22 AM // 02:22

Hrm.

I actually agree with people using the local chat instead of the trade chat to buy/sell items, and I do it myself. I can say, from personal experience, that it is much faster to sell items on local chat than trade chat. Most other people trying to sell items will agree with me.

First, approach it from a seller's stand point. You have an item you don't need, and have no reasonable way to sell it. There are no merchants for many of the items that are often sold (green items/ special event items/ minipets/ etc.), and the only way to get any gold from these items is to sell it to another player. Whats the easiest way to sell an item? Have it seen by as many people as possible. Restricting your advertisements to the trade channel means alot less people will see your advertisement, which in turn means you will spend much more time trying to sell your item. I know people will argue that "if I wanted to buy an item, I would turn on trade chat", but this is a pretty weak argument. Of the many items I have sold, a lot of them were to players who had not entered the town expecting to make the purchase. These are people who were just passing through town, happened to hear an item being sold that they thought might be useful, found the price to be reasonable, and bought it. This is how a majority of transactions are done.

Coming at it from a buyer's standpoint, I know that I had not given much thought to buying a Ragos' Flame Staff for my elementalist, but had happened to be passing through Camp Rankor when someone was selling one for what I considered to be a good price. I thought about it, and went ahead and bought it. I'm sure a majority of the players can relate to experiences like this. Of course, I am referring to players with enough surplus gold in their banks to make purchases like this (I know some players have never had more than 10k in their storage and couldn't make a sizeable purchase even if they wanted to, maybe all the hate is just bitterness at being poor?).

Its just basic economics. Anet has not given us an efficient way of doing player to player transactions. They instead expect us to spend an hour or two in town spamming advertisements. Of course people are going to find the quickest way to make these sales (i.e. spamming local chat), there are no better alternatives.

robrobrob · Jun 02, 2006, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by inscribed

Hrm.

I actually agree with people using the local chat instead of the trade chat to buy/sell items, and I do it myself. I can say, from personal experience, that it is much faster to sell items on local chat than trade chat. Most other people trying to sell items will agree with me.

First, approach it from a seller's stand point. You have an item you don't need, and have no reasonable way to sell it. There are no merchants for many of the items that are often sold (green items/ special event items/ minipets/ etc.), and the only way to get any gold from these items is to sell it to another player. Whats the easiest way to sell an item? Have it seen by as many people as possible. Restricting your advertisements to the trade channel means alot less people will see your advertisement, which in turn means you will spend much more time trying to sell your item. I know people will argue that "if I wanted to buy an item, I would turn on trade chat", but this is a pretty weak argument. Of the many items I have sold, a lot of them were to players who had not entered the town expecting to make the purchase. These are people who were just passing through town, happened to hear an item being sold that they thought might be useful, found the price to be reasonable, and bought it. This is how a majority of transactions are done.

Coming at it from a buyer's standpoint, I know that I had not given much thought to buying a Ragos' Flame Staff for my elementalist, but had happened to be passing through Camp Rankor when someone was selling one for what I considered to be a good price. I thought about it, and went ahead and bought it. I'm sure a majority of the players can relate to experiences like this. Of course, I am referring to players with enough surplus gold in their banks to make purchases like this (I know some players have never had more than 10k in their storage and couldn't make a sizeable purchase even if they wanted to, maybe all the hate is just bitterness at being poor?).

Its just basic economics. Anet has not given us an efficient way of doing player to player transactions. They instead expect us to spend an hour or two in town spamming advertisements. Of course people are going to find the quickest way to make these sales (i.e. spamming local chat), there are no better alternatives.

Except Local Chat isn't intended to be the chat channel for trading. That's what Trade Chat is for. Screw economics, what about respecting your fellow players so they can have a damn discussion in local chat without having to see you traders spam your ads?

Arkantos · Jun 02, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by robrobrob

Except Local Chat isn't intended to be the chat channel for trading. That's what Trade Chat is for. Screw economics, what about respecting your fellow players so they can have a damn discussion in local chat without having to see you traders spam your ads?

Agreed. I dont care how much better it is to use the all chat to buy/sell, theres a reason theres the trade channel. We dont spam trade channel with conversations, dont spam all channel with trading

guppy · Jun 02, 2006, 03:00 AM // 03:00

As much as its great to be honest and act appropriate.. there is almost no chance you can ask an entire community to stop using the local chat when the trading system is just poor. It is another problem in the game that isn't being adressed that is causing this problem. It isn't people, they will go to great lengths to make some cash

inscribed · Jun 02, 2006, 03:04 AM // 03:04

I don't think I've ever seen an intelligent conversation in local chat, so I don't think anyone is missing much. I don't really see that as the issue, though. Originally, there was no trade chat, and all advertisements were on local chat. Anet implemented the trade chat to help with the advertisements, but no one really benefitted. The traders spent even longer trying to sell their stuff, which meant they had less time to play the actual game. If you want someone to blame, blame Anet for not implementing some form of trade house where I can spend 5 minutes putting my stuff up for sale and continue about my business. Instead, I have to spend hours spamming chat, and if I have to do that, I'm going to cut my time as much as possible, which means spamming local chat.

MMSDome · Jun 02, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10

either way dont expect to have an intelligent conversation in dist 1 of any place because it is always drowned out with trade caht anyway, yes you can turn it off but even half the time you got 12 year olds that just learned their first swear word and want everyone to know about it. Most intelligent convo tends to be in Fishermans haven i have found

Arkantos · Jun 02, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

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Originally Posted by inscribed

I don't think I've ever seen an intelligent conversation in local chat, so I don't think anyone is missing much.

I'd rather see some people trying to actually have a conversation then seeing

~~~~~~`WTSELL~~~~~UBER LEET ZODIAC SWORD~~~~~~100k +50 ECTOS~~~~~~~~~~1

~~~~~~`WTSELL~~~~~UBER LEET ZODIAC SWORD~~~~~~100k +50 ECTOS~~~~~~~~~~2

~~~~~~`WTSELL~~~~~UBER LEET ZODIAC SWORD~~~~~~100k +50 ECTOS~~~~~~~~~~3

inscribed · Jun 02, 2006, 03:17 AM // 03:17

I do agree with ya on that, but it isn't the traders you should have the issue with. Take issue with Anet for not giving us any alternative (trade chat isn't a viable alternative).

Arkantos · Jun 02, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19

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Originally Posted by inscribed

I do agree with ya on that, but it isn't the traders you should have the issue with. Take issue with Anet for not giving us any alternative (trade chat isn't a viable alternative).

Please, explain how the trade channel isnt useful.

inscribed · Jun 02, 2006, 03:22 AM // 03:22

Uh, reread my original post? I think that was the entire point of it. Getting your advertisement seen by as many people as possible means you get your item sold faster. Advertisements on local chat reaches more people than advertisements on trade chat. Experience has proven this time and time again.

Please reread my original post.

Phades · Jun 02, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25

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Originally Posted by inscribed

Uh, reread my original post? I think that was the entire point of it. Getting your advertisement seen by as many people as possible means you get your item sold faster. Advertisements on local chat reaches more people than advertisements on trade chat. Experience has proven this time and time again.

Please reread my original post.

I am certain you wouldnt mind a commercial interupting every phone call you make given your standpoint then.

It is essentially the same thing.

inscribed · Jun 02, 2006, 03:27 AM // 03:27

Not really, no one has the ability to interrupt a whisper, and you can turn off local chat if it really bothers you.

Matsumi · Jun 02, 2006, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by inscribed

Whats the easiest way to sell an item? Have it seen by as many people as possible. Restricting your advertisements to the trade channel means alot less people will see your advertisement, which in turn means you will spend much more time trying to sell your item. I know people will argue that "if I wanted to buy an item, I would turn on trade chat", but this is a pretty weak argument.

How is that a weak argument or even something to be argued? Seems pretty plain and simple to me. Kind of like saying, "Sorry, not interested." without saying anything. People don't have to buy other people's crap all the time in this game to get something good, or have to be rich to do it. This isn't really a game that has uber weapons or gear that you have to rely on to succeed, it's just vanity items.

I'm sure if you had a gang of about 5-6 people that harrassed people on the streets everyday, most might get mad, but you might catch a few people off guard that didn't know they wanted to buy anything. Another term for it relating to real life, would be door-to-door sales, but since we can't really close the door on you (unless we turn all chat off), it becomes utterly annoying.

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(I know some players have never had more than 10k in their storage and couldn't make a sizeable purchase even if they wanted to, maybe all the hate is just bitterness at being poor?).

I don't think so, I have plenty of money that I got from not selling items to other people, but to the merchant. I still find it annoying, and a bit rude actually. They set up a filter to filter WTS and WTB into the trade channel automatically, but they also gave instructions on what is not filtered (at least on what I read). Gee, what was the point of that then, lol? Would of been better to just be anonymous, but I'm sure sellers would of tried something eventually anyway.

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Of course people are going to find the quickest way to make these sales (i.e. spamming local chat), there are no better alternatives.

How about, if nobody wants to buy your crap in the trade channel, to just give up and go about your business doing something else? Is it that important that somebody needs to buy your junk, and fast? I've also heard that your items sell better when we have favor, there's a full moon, your sales text is neon colored, toss salt over your shoulders, etc.

Seriously though, if you want better alternatives, and there are none right now, how about making money some other way? There's plenty of ways to earn money in this game without relying on others to provide it for your items. One thread I looked at talked about selling rare and common materials when prices go up. If the majority of GW players are poor, and there's an overstock of vanity items, seek alternatives or cheaper selling items. If they're affordable by the majority of buyers, then you're back in business. Then you have economy again, can't base all products on much higher value than the average person's income can you? Who's gonna buy, the rich? There's not alot of them running around, and if there are, chances are they're into exotics or something.

Arkantos · Jun 02, 2006, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by inscribed

Uh, reread my original post? I think that was the entire point of it. Getting your advertisement seen by as many people as possible means you get your item sold faster. Advertisements on local chat reaches more people than advertisements on trade chat. Experience has proven this time and time again.

Please reread my original post.

I knew that.

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Originally Posted by inscribed

Restricting your advertisements to the trade channel means alot less people will see your advertisement, which in turn means you will spend much more time trying to sell your item. I know people will argue that "if I wanted to buy an item, I would turn on trade chat", but this is a pretty weak argument.Of the many items I have sold, a lot of them were to players who had not entered the town expecting to make the purchase. These are people who were just passing through town, happened to hear an item being sold that they thought might be useful, found the price to be reasonable, and bought it. This is how a majority of transactions are done.

This isnt a weak argument. Its true, if you dont wanna buy anything, and you dont wanna see all the spamming, you turn off the trade channel. Instead of being so selfish and using all chat, think of all the people who dont wanna hear the trading crap. How are you being selfish? You will use the all channel so YOU can sell YOUR item so YOU get money.

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Originally Posted by inscribed

Its just basic economics. Anet has not given us an efficient way of doing player to player transactions. They instead expect us to spend an hour or two in town spamming advertisements. Of course people are going to find the quickest way to make these sales (i.e. spamming local chat), there are no better alternatives.

This game isnt all about selling/buying. If you REALLY wanna sell/buy something, you'll wait an hour or two. How about this, forget basic economics, and think of basic rules. Again, you dont have to spam local chat. Ive sold many items IN TRADE CHANNEL (Omgz, no way

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To sum up, stop thinking about yourself and think about the others that dont wanna see spamming. Sorry, its true.