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Fist_of_God · May 29, 2006, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by Tijger

What a BS post.

Anet has marked some milestones of sales but they hardly send out press releases for selling a 1000 copies of GW nor does a 1000 copies significantly impact the sales figures for GW or GW:F, 10,000 perhaps but a 1000? puhleeze, grow up.

With this kind of BS there's no winning, you whine if Anet doesnt do anything about bots yet when they ban a 1000 it's regarded as padding their bottomline.

Where in my post is there any whining? A-net has hardly impressed me with many of their feeble attempts of making us think one thing, while they have alterior motives. If they only ban 1000 bots every 2 months, in 12 months, it adds up to over a quarter of a million dollars at $50 a new copy on average.

You do the math over the next five years and see if you wouldnt like to have that tidy sum to invest. This is my opinion...you don't like it.. thats well and fine. If these people really are selling virtual gold on ebay for real money, what makes you think a simple generic ban is going to stop any of these hardcore sweatshop owners? They will buy more copies, don't be a fool. You wouldn't stand by and allow Anet to destroy your lucrative money making opportunity, if you were these people.

I will continue to believe the corporate norm for this type of action..increased sales..the bottom line, call it whatever you want. Anet doesn't care as much about you as they do the bottom line..you can believe what you like. Furthermore, they banned over 1000, we don't know the exact number, and its going to be a continuing effort. So its not just 1000..it will be thousands and ..maybe tens of thousands, and in the end.. that will be better for A-net's profits.

ArTy · May 29, 2006, 01:47 AM // 01:47

Good on Anet for attempting to purge the world of chinese farming bots. They really do clog up the towns and channels with crap. Daily purges FTW

Save the Minotaurs and Trolls! Hunt down your nearest bot and kick their ass.

**cosyfiep** · May 29, 2006, 01:48 AM // 01:48

thanks Gaile....a journey of a million miles begins with the first step, and I hope that your journey is moving along ....

Terra Xin · May 29, 2006, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Fist_of_God

I will continue to believe the corporate norm for this type of action..increased sales..the bottom line, [b]call it whatever you want[b]. Anet doesn't care as much about you as they do the bottom line..(but)you can believe what you like. Furthermore, they banned over 1000, we don't know the exact number, and its going to be a continuing effort. So its not just 1000..it will be thousands and ..maybe tens of thousands, and in the end.. that will be better for A-net's profits.

That is great advice. Though you kinda repeated yourself there on the 1000 bot ban... and... everyone already knows that... being the title of the thread and all.

Now. Could everyone turn and look away from this person^^. Now direct your attention to me please:

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I am pretty sure that the money we spend banning the botters is higher than the money we make if they purchase another copy of the game. This isn't a profit-driven decision but one of... dare I use the word "morality?" Well, if not that word, then perhaps "fair play" or at least "keeping the economy solid for the vast majority, who don't use bots."

Now i'd rather believe the words of an actual staff member than a non-staff member who is just speculating. No offense to you Fist_Of_God, but, and I quote "believe what..." I "...like".

Fyre Brand · May 29, 2006, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Thanks Gaile and ANet staff. I appreciate the game staff addressing this really irritating issue.

I think there is also a player responsibility to discourage those around us from buying gold on ebay and gold sites. It's hard to run a business with no patrons. These bot shops won't generate revenue if the game players don't buy the gold.

Fist_of_God · May 29, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

That is great advice. Though you kinda repeated yourself there on the 1000 bot ban... and... everyone already knows that... being the title of the thread and all.

Now. Could everyone turn and look away from this person^^. Now direct your attention to me please:

Now i'd rather believe the words of an actual staff member than a non-staff member who is just speculating. No offense to you Fist_Of_God, but, and I quote "believe what..." I "...like".

Sure, its your prerogative..just as it is mine to believe what I like. I am sure you would have believed the PR spokesperson for enron as well..Kudos to you sir.

arcady · May 29, 2006, 02:10 AM // 02:10

If you hate the company so much and so strongly distrust everything it says, why play its game?

I have a strong level of corporate skeptism, but I don't go beyond the logical economic analysis into the realm of conspiracy to back it up. The simple economical on this one doesn't add up to a 'bans for profit' theory... and it takes some extraneous logic to pull that notion together. That just shows not a desire to have a 'good faith skeptical approach' but an active disdain and dislike that needs to justify itself. When you reach that level of hostility, you're better off just moving on.

Fist_of_God · May 29, 2006, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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Originally Posted by arcady

If you hate the company so much and so strongly distrust everything it says, why play its game?

Who said I hated anything or anyone? Where do you see that in my post? I stated my opinion and subsequently, it looks like I have knocked over some peoples sacred cow.

Loviatar · May 29, 2006, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by Fist_of_God

If they only ban 1000 bots every 2 months, in 12 months, it adds up to over a quarter of a million dollars at $50 a new copy on average.

You do the math over the next five years and see if you wouldnt like to have that tidy sum to invest. .

your figures are a flat out lie .

ANET sells to retailer for maybe 20-25 dollars not 50 to start with.

not so much now is it.

but wait ................theres still more

a few bucks for manufacturing and packaging it

even less now

they may get 15-20 per unit if lucky

now figure in the cost of all the well paid peoples time sorting them out

GAILE WAS RIGHT
BREAK EVEN OR LOSE MONEY DOING IT

back to math 101 for you

Fist_of_God · May 29, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by arcady

I have a strong level of corporate skeptism, but I don't go beyond the logical economic analysis into the realm of conspiracy to back it up. The simple economical on this one doesn't add up to a 'bans for profit' theory... and it takes some extraneous logic to pull that notion together. That just shows not a desire to have a 'good faith skeptical approach' but an active disdain and dislike that needs to justify itself. When you reach that level of hostility, you're better off just moving on.

So, I am not entitled to expressing my opinion in a public forum? Its an opinion, nothing more and nothing less. I have moved on, I do not troll these forums starting any anti Anet threads neither did I ever say I hated anet or corporations in general, but that doesn't keep me from knowing the norm. You will never even find a post about anet started by me, good or bad.

If people would except my opinion for what it is, mine exclusively, and stop revolving this thread around my opinion, I wouldn't have even posted in this thread again. Maybe the topic title of this thread should be changed to, "What Fist thinks about the new anet ban, Flames welcome."

Terra Xin · May 29, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by Fist_of_God

Sure, its your prerogative..just as it is mine to believe what I like. I am sure you would have believed the PR spokesperson for enron as well..Kudos to you sir.

my prerogative!?? this right isn't exclusive, it is shared by all. And I already know you believe what you like I JUST QUOTED YOU ON THAT!!

And how on earth does a company that faced bankruptcy and fraud charges have "anything" to do with this thread? Bot's get banned, it costs them more money to do so, and money wasn't even their priority. You may have a point, which I believe is incorrect, but try to learn to back up your statements. I have Gaile, who/what do you have? Intuition^^?

Gaile... I am a big fan.... the last time I asked for an autograph my post got deleted.... talk about exclusive^^

EDIT: Bad language. I "except" your opinion wholeheartedly. If you're coming in here asking everyone to accept your opinion, the wise thing would be to just leave your opinion, because there would be no reason for you to back it up. But if your opinion gets challeneged, and you're still posting in here, then you are defending it. It's a good thing, but try not to use the "Im going to be the better man and walk away" it gets old.

Fist_of_God · May 29, 2006, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

your figures are a flat out lie .

ANET sells to retailer for maybe 20-25 dollars not 50 to start with.

not so much now is it.

but wait ................theres still more

a few bucks for manufacturing and packaging it

even less now

they may get 15-20 per unit if lucky

now figure in the cost of all the well paid peoples time sorting them out

GAILE WAS RIGHT
BREAK EVEN OR LOSE MONEY DOING IT

back to math 101 for you

I beg to differ. they use software to detect bots and not as much of human resources as you might think. As far as the math goes, yes I was refering to the retail value being purchased. Either way I don't think you would balk at the total sum if it was available to you.

Fist_of_God · May 29, 2006, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

my prerogative!?? this right isn't exclusive, it is shared by all. And I already know you believe what you like I JUST QUOTED YOU ON THAT!!

And how on earth does a company that faced bankruptcy and fraud charges have "anything" to do with this thread? Bot's get banned,

Try to keep up please, I was refering to your statement in rather believing everything or anything a PR person would say.

lyra_song · May 29, 2006, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by Fist_of_God

I beg to differ. they use software to detect bots and not as much of human resources as you might think.

And you know this how?

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Im sure detecting macros is fairly easy. But processing and banning should still be left to a human being.

Anyone remember a little while back when several members of the community got banned for botting? But they later got their accounts back.

I dont think i want an automated script telling me that im an automated script.

Fist_of_God · May 29, 2006, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

EDIT: Bad language. I "except" your opinion wholeheartedly. If you're coming in here asking everyone to accept your opinion, the wise thing would be to just leave your opinion, because there would be no reason for you to back it up. But if your opinion gets challeneged, and you're still posting in here, then you are defending it. It's a good thing, but try not to use the "Im going to be the better man and walk away" it gets old.

As long as they keep the thread open, I wouldn't walk away from rebuttles.
I never said I was walking away from anything. This makes the second time you and a few others have read way too much into my posts.

Loviatar · May 29, 2006, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Originally Posted by Fist_of_God

I beg to differ. they use software to detect bots and not as much of human resources as you might think. As far as the math goes, yes I was refering to the retail value being purchased. Either way I don't think you would balk at the total sum if it was available to you.

the fact is you stated flatly Anet did it for profit then gave figures that were not just an oopsie but deliberately inflated.

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If they only ban 1000 bots every 2 months, in 12 months, it adds up to over a quarter of a million dollars at $50 a new copy on average.

You do the math over the next five years and see if you wouldnt like to have that tidy sum to invest. This is my opinion...you don't like it.. thats well and fine.

Fist_of_God · May 29, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

And you know this how?

====================

Im sure detecting macros is fairly easy. But processing and banning should still be left to a human being.

Anyone remember a little while back when several members of the community got banned for botting? But they later got their accounts back.

I dont think i want an automated script telling me that im an automated script.

I have played other games where this type of activity was prohibited, and they did say they were using up-to-date software to detect botters. I am not a programmer, but I am sure you can find someone to ask.

Fist_of_God · May 29, 2006, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

the fact is you stated flatly Anet did it for profit then gave figures that were not just an oopsie but deliberately inflated.

Still, even though my calculations were on the higher end, even if you lower the over all average, they still make millions in the long run. I was not considering the wholesale price, but that doesn't change my opinion. whether its 250k a year or 500k a year, you still wouldn't turn a closed hand to this sum of cash.

Unkillable Cat · May 29, 2006, 02:43 AM // 02:43

Thought I would paste this here too, try and get it as much attention as possible, a new and even more irritating kind of bot:

Im a pretty avid player of fort Aspenwood, so ive gotten to recognise the names of the regular AFKers (read leeches) fairly well. Tonight I entered a game, and spotted one of them right away, but this time they actualy moved, great I thought their going to play for once, so carried on the game thinking we had a full team for once.
Round 2 starts, this time im (1) on the list, and the same leech is there, i moved off teh start position a little, they followed me, so i moved again, same happened, long story short, this player continued to follow me for the duration of the match, never using any skills or attacking, they were basicly a minipet that I could use as a meat shield.
2 rounds later the same thing happened, asking arround in the start area, it turns out that the same bot has been following players all day. so watch out for this one. report them when you see em, lets get the bots out of thegame all together

Kook~NBK~ · May 29, 2006, 02:52 AM // 02:52

Shame on A-net acting for their own self interests! If they keep that up, they may be able to keep servers up and running, adding new content, and even holding special in-game events that their paid developers come up with!

But here's the thing: 1,000 copies of GW is less than 1/10th of 1% of the number of copies they've sold - a mere pittance! The banning of the bots has more to do with keeping the vast majority of their customer base happy so that THEY will continue to buy additional chapters.

50% or more of players not buying future chapters because A-Net shows no regard for the community by letting the bot problem (among other problems) go > selling 1,000 more copies (or even 20,000 for that matter) to bot farmers.