Curse

Batius · Apr 21, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Ok this thread is getting quite sad now, flame after flame, whine after whine.
I say a moderator closes the thread.
ANet are trying their best to cater for everyone, GW provides 4 slots for characters, that isn't gonna change. So for those who wish to try out more characters they have offered new slots. You want them, take them, you don't, carry on playing with 4 slots. If you're unhappy that you have to pay extra for more slots:
1. Stop playing GW
2. Buy a game that suits your preferences, or make your own.
3. Realise that although ANet look after our best interests, they are still a BUSINESS. You reel off freebies all the time, you lose income. No income means less to spend on maintenance, more downtime. Less staff to develop new chapters (Factions), no special events (Haloween, Christmas, PVP Events), which means that people start to complain. Its a vicious circle that can be broken simply by people keeping their mouths shut with opinions that are negative. You don't like it? Fine, but don't bury us in your own BS (Sorry about language)

So basically buy new slots if you like, if you don't like the price, carry on playing with 4 slots or just quit.
For those who want slots, the information is given either in the link of the first post, or other information is given through out the thread.
Some people really act like 5 year olds...

Mordakai · Apr 21, 2006, 07:41 PM // 19:41

/signed to close

We are not getting ripped off, repeating it over and over doesn't make it so. In order to get ripped off, you have to buy something that doesn't deliver what was promised. By now, we all know merging Factions nets you two slots. Ergo, you can't be ripped off, since you know what you're getting.

lyra_song · Apr 21, 2006, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by WetWookie

"OMG You guys want us to have a better product! I won't stand for this! Let's all unite and fight to make sure that we all have LESS or at the very least we are charged more!"

P.S. Shoes without laces and games where you can't experience all of the content are both functional. They just don't do what a reasonable consumer would expect them to do so the analogy stands.

Last i checked i can experience everything in guild wars....other than the WaW where UW and FoW are locked when Europe/Korea has favor.

warren_kn · Apr 21, 2006, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by WetWookie

"OMG You guys want us to have a better product! I won't stand for this! Let's all unite and fight to make sure that we all have LESS or at the very least we are charged more!"

P.S. Shoes without laces and games where you can't experience all of the content are both functional. They just don't do what a reasonable consumer would expect them to do so the analogy stands.

Since when can you not experience all the content? You mean that because you cant have a slot for each profession all at once your not getting the whole game? It's a shame you feel you can only enjoy the game by having all 8 characters at once.

edit - also /signed for closing, this thread is going nowhere, just whine after whine.

WetWookie · Apr 21, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Why are you guys so opposed to Anet producing a better product? And shutting up people who dislike something does not make it go away. If nobody complained about anything nothing would ever improve.

felinette · Apr 21, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by SisterMercy

This was something that wasn't anticipated by A.net and the new slots are designed to prevent future necessities like this. I don't know that there's many ways to fix what's already happened.

Shouldn't be too difficult for them to merge two accounts. All they'd have to do is move the character information from one account to the other, and then delete the second account. Since they can obviously add character slots to an existing account, adding character slots that already contain character info to an existing account should be possible and not tax their programmers' brains too much, one would hope.

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If they enabled you to merge two existing Prophecies accounts, likely you'd end up with half the storage of what you're accustomed to. So there's a down-side to that too.

The biggest downside I see to having two accounts (I'm in that boat) is that to keep up with future chapters, you have to buy two copies.

I think offering the option to buy character slots is great--it's why most people have more than one account. And I think they need to address merging accounts now that they've rectified a problem that they created in the first place, namely the game having fewer character slots than professions.

pegasux · Apr 21, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

wow this is pretty funny to read. simply put if you want more char. slots buy it if not then don't either way whining will not make ANET give us an extra slot. get over it and enjoy the game.

warren_kn · Apr 21, 2006, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by WetWookie

Why are you guys so opposed to Anet producing a better product? And shutting up people who dislike something does not make it go away. If nobody complained about anything nothing would ever improve.

Extra slots does not equal better product plain and simple. I can't believe many people would think it does. I do agree with you on your second point, however the complaint has been made, arguments explained, it is going nowhere. Make your complaints direct to Anet now. Can you really see this thread coming to a good conclusion

WetWookie · Apr 21, 2006, 08:02 PM // 20:02

It does equal a better product to the people who would use those slots. No I don't see this argument going anywhere. And no, complaining to Anet to change it would do nothing. It's too late now that they've implemented pay per slot.

Gli · Apr 21, 2006, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by warren_kn

Extra slots does not equal better product plain and simple.

Of course it does, surely up to the point where options equal content. With less slots than primaries, we're not at that point yet. I can't believe you can argue against this.

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I can't believe many people would think it does.

I can't believe even one person would believe it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by warren_kn

I do agree with you on your second point, however the complaint has been made, arguments explained, it is going nowhere. Make your complaints direct to Anet now. Can you really see this thread coming to a good conclusion

Fan forums are how ANet wants us to communicate our feelings about the game to them. Try going the direct way and that's what they'll tell you.

Loviatar · Apr 21, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by felinette

And I think they need to address merging accounts now that they've rectified a problem that they created in the first place, namely the game having fewer character slots than professions.

they make few flat out statements usually hedging what they say.

merging accounts has been given a flat no every time it has been brought up.

example of why it is a baaadddd idea.

husband and wife play as a team on separate pcs and accounts

hubby/wife gets this great idea of lets use that merge option and then only have to buy 1 copy of each following chapter...see the trap yet?

they merge accounts and try to play as a team but only one can control a character...........ooopppsssssie

contact support who says you were warned with pictures and in seven different languages that the merge was irrivocable and we cannot change it back..........curses Anet for giving them the option.

WetWookie · Apr 21, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Why can't we discuss something that won't change? I'd say about 99% of the discussions on this board change nothing.

warren_kn · Apr 21, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Gli

Of course it does, up to the point that playing options equal content. With less slots than primaries, we're not at that point yet. I can't believe you can argue against this.

I can't believe even one person would believe it doesn't.

Fan forums are how ANet wants us to communicate our feelings about the game to them. Try going the direct way and that's what they'll tell you.

Oh well, we have different opinions then. I don't see your point regarding content I really don't. It's just not that big a deal. Obviously there a lot of people on either side of the fence judging by this thread alone, therefore both our points regarding "can't believe people" redundant.

Finally I know Anets policy regarding forums. My point was the arguments have been made for both sides, this thread has become just a tit-for-tat exchange between people (including this post I suppose

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warren_kn · Apr 21, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by WetWookie

Why can't we discuss something that won't change? I'd say about 99% of the discussions on this board change nothing.

But then the forum is not just for a platform for change is it?

felinette · Apr 21, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

husband and wife play as a team on separate pcs and accounts

hubby/wife gets this great idea of lets use that merge option and then only have to buy 1 copy of each following chapter...see the trap yet?

they merge accounts and try to play as a team but only one can control a character...........ooopppsssssie

Well, obviously it would be a bad idea to merge accounts in that case. Doesn't mean they shouldn't offer the option. Stupid people will always do stupid things. If options were never offered because someone might do something stupid, we wouldn't be able to do much.

But, you know, I was thinking about this, and I think that as a result of the announcement to sell character slots, I'll be cancelling one of my Factions preorders. I only really need 8 slots (one for each profession--I don't PvP, and if I ever want to, I'll just buy another slot). It'll cost me 20 bucks US to buy 2 slots, plus the 6 I'll have with merged Prophecies and Factions = 8 slots. It means the characters on my other account can't go to Cantha, but that's fine. So in the long run, I'll actually save about $30 (by not buying a second copy of Factions), plus not have to buy two copies in the future.

Others with multiple accounts might want to consider the same thing. Cancel your extra Factions preorders and buy extra slots instead. Not ideal, but more cost-efficient in the long run.

Gli · Apr 21, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Merging accounts would bring up all kinds of complications. ANet reps have mentioned several and I can't recall all of them but they were convincing.

Here's one: Fame. What would happen if I merge a 100 fame account with a 10,000 fame one?

And imagine the horrors if someone merged stolen accounts.

MSecorsky · Apr 21, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by felinette

But, you know, I was thinking about this, and I think that as a result of the announcement to sell character slots, I'll be cancelling one of my Factions preorders. I only really need 8 slots (one for each profession--I don't PvP, and if I ever want to, I'll just buy another slot). It'll cost me 20 bucks US to buy 2 slots, plus the 6 I'll have with merged Prophecies and Factions = 8 slots. It means the characters on my other account can't go to Cantha, but that's fine. So in the long run, I'll actually save about $30 (by not buying a second copy of Factions), plus not have to buy two copies in the future.

Someone who gets it. Very nice. Purchasing slots will save people money over time, especially the ones that prefer to have a great many slots/ multiple accounts.

I still think the Ebay guy that buys 20 slots to hold his stuff... then gets caught and the whole account deleted...

Heh heh... see, there is a niche that may not like this in the long run.

warren_kn · Apr 21, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Actually, it was all the slot complaint threads that probably led to the decision to offer more slots for $10.

The difference with this thread is I don't see Anet offering slots for free!

Ha Ha! Sweet. You and I know better, right?

I appreciate that, but my point was that 99% of threads on the board don't change things because not all threads are complaints.............!

crimsonfilms · Apr 21, 2006, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Sigh. Again, you are not being forced to buy anything. I don't know how to say this any plainer than no extra expenses required. No monthly fees, no requirement to buy expansions, no requirement to buy extra slots. You paid $50 for GW and can continue to play it as long as you want without spending another dime (other than internet access, but I'm sure you'll find a way to blame Anet for that as well...)

As predicted - the no monthly mantra screams right back.

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Bwa- ha- ha! You're funny. You really are. But I don't think Anet or anybody else feels threatened.
I'll tell everyone right now who is morally outraged that a company has the gall to sell a service people want, they SHOULD leave Guild Wars. And go live in a commune somewhere, so you can get everything you want for free.

Commune?

OMG. It is the 'Love it or leave it' bumper sticker.

felinette · Apr 21, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by Gli

Merging accounts would bring up all kinds of complications. ANet reps have mentioned several and I can't recall all of them but they were convincing.

It's a shame they didn't offer the option to buy slots much earlier.

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Here's one: Fame. What would happen if I merge a 100 fame account with a 10,000 fame one?

Yeah, not being a PvPer, I never think about stuff like that.

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And imagine the horrors if someone merged stolen accounts.

Actually, I don't think that would be too difficult to rectify if they kept a record of the email/pwd of the account that was merged in.

But as my previous post indicated, I no longer care about merging accounts.