Curse

Sister Brianne · Jul 24, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

I'm sorry if I sound elitest...

Today I tried to farm for Rotscale and got totally flamed for being noob cause i didn't know what to do.

Im not blaming all pve'ers but some of tehm are just like the elite pvpvers.

I do win halls about once a day (not exagerating)

I don't hold for along time or anything...but i play enough to get there and win from time to time. (y does that matter?)

duanstar · Jul 24, 2006, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Sister Brianne

I don't hold for along time or anything...but i play enough to get there and win from time to time. (y does that matter?)

Because then you're one of the ultra-leet 13440 people to win per week! =P

Winning halls is the best technique to enlarge your e-p. I agree: it's rather absurd how highly people think of their fame. I guess it's the same idea if you finally get that incorrigable ale-hound or legendary survivor and really want to flaunt it.

Eviance · Jul 24, 2006, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by Satai Katalya

people are different, if your going to run around assuming things are the same then you dont get the point.
People are great players in different ways. Heck I probably suck in some regards to HA and in other situations quite well.
Too much bitching not enough fun being had.

QFT!
You couldn't get me to successfully monk in HA even if you put my build together and told me where to throw the skills. I make a pretty crappy mesmer in HA as well. I can run a decent necro warrior hate build but so what? I can run a necro spike decently but I still sometimes have timing issues....
But I can do pretty danged well on my Ranger or my Warrior. They aren't cookie cutter builds even if those builds have been tried. I think the issue is that people take HA a lot more seriously and cut people down out of meaness or their greediness for the win. I am not saying that we should throw away our teams and good streaks for someone with NO experience. But at the same time, don't wave your rank around like it makes you a God and then sit there kicking newb players in and out of your group for fun.

The issue is not the builds or the rank, its the people behind them and their mentality or lack there of... AKA Immaturity.

To the OP: Yes hun its frustrating but you can find excellent groups that are open to you, it just takes some looking is all. However dont be so strong willed that you aren't willing to make a change for the team. If they say one of your skills would be better with something else, say "sure I will give it a try" If it doesn't work let them know.

*sighs* Old thoughts new threads....

My current opinion of HA is that it's a sawmill for noobs with nubs.
(Meaning, that right now... even henchway can win the "mission". I miss the challenge... some of its come back but, meh still seems lacking from its former glory.)

B Ephekt · Jul 24, 2006, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin

players need to pull their heads outta their own asses long enough to realize that altho i'm rank 0, I still may be good.

You may have the potential to be an excellent player but you still lack experience in HA. Without the knowledge of builds, the specific skill being used or map objectives and tactics you won't fair very well. And while that's all perfectly fine and too be expected of new players, ranked players want to play when they get on, not spend their time teaching others who could learn on their own.

Imo, rank 0-3 shoud be a learning period where you learn about builds, tactics and the HA meta, while building up a friends list. Your first 180 fame is the hardest to get, but it does get easier. Also, you will soon learn that rank is near usless when you have a good friends list.

pigdestroyer · Jul 24, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

so the conclusion is anyone whos got higher rank than me is an iwayer noob that I could pwn

stop whining and get ranked if its so easy getting it

BigTru · Jul 24, 2006, 08:44 PM // 20:44

I won't let anyone into my group who isn't rank 8/9 or more, unless I or one of my friends know them personaly, they belong to a respectable guild, or I have observed them.

I don't care what anyone says, the more rank you have usually = the more HoH experience you have. A rank 9 is usually much better than a rankless player.

Time is money. HoH runs can last hours. Why exactly should I waste an hour getting to Hall of Heroes, only to find out our warder doesn't know how the actual HoH works?

Skuld · Jul 24, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

Heh, I have 70% tyrian explorer on my char and I never get picked!!

duanstar · Jul 24, 2006, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by BigTru

I won't let anyone into my group who isn't rank 8/9 or more, unless I or one of my friends know them personaly, they belong to a respectable guild, or I have observed them.

I don't care what anyone says, the more rank you have usually = the more HoH experience you have. A rank 9 is usually much better than a rankless player.

Time is money. HoH runs can last hours. Why exactly should I waste an hour getting to Hall of Heroes, only to find out our warder doesn't know how the actual HoH works?

Yes, time is money if Guild Wars is a factory...Ok, so you're the most effecient PvPer out there and you have the most fame?

You should read this. It's a French classic about a businessman and a smart little prince: http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littleprince/chapter13.html

Yarly · Jul 24, 2006, 09:07 PM // 21:07

I would consider myself a PvE'er, 2 fow armors, 6.2 mil exp on my elle, 4.5 mil on my monk, ive just made a new mesmer and am already 70 ectos and 44 shards to her fow armor.

But, im also rank 8, with about 260 fame left till rank 9. GMC on the elle, Advanced Skill Hunter on the monk. Yes... I agree its bloody hard getting suitably ranked when your at 3 fame. So just stick at it! Pug after Pug after Pugh will get you to rank 3 (Your First Emote) Then from there onwards start looking for a guild which does HA more oftern. Don't whine on about why its hard or why you can't do it, your not the only one thats felt that, but id say about 90% of the high ranked people were in the same position.

If you want it, just get on with it!

Helll is for Heroes · Jul 24, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by makosi

Same level of achievement imho.

however, a completely different ballpark.

BigTru · Jul 24, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Yes, time is money if Guild Wars is a factory...Ok, so you're the most effecient PvPer out there and you have the most fame?

Do you know what a "figure of speech" is? Don't take words literally. And when did I ever say I was the most effecient PvPer and have the most fame?

I said I have no reason to accept a low rank player in my group who I don't know. I'm not saying all of them are bad or all high ranked players are better, but I'd rather take my chances with a higher ranked player because they're better than lower ranked players more often than not. No point wasting time giving low ranked players a shot.

Navaros · Jul 24, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Aussie AJMW

i am sick to death of hearing the absolute BS of people who think there good because they can follow a build set up by someone else. all i hear is IM A RANK 6 ect ect well guess what its just a title. i have friend of the luxons and 86.2% explored. id like to hear some funny stories about this please

I am sick to death of jealous, unranked people lodging illegitimate complaints about high-ranked people.

Sure rank can be grinded, but it still takes skill to do so.

Those who do not have the skill and fortitude to grind rank also - and instead all they can do is complain about better-ranked players - are indeed not good players, and not the sort of players any good player would take into his party. Serves them right that their destiny is to forever complain about "woe is me" on fan forums whilst all the good high-ranked players are winning HoH.

Rank does indeed indicate skill. How often do unranked parties win HoH? Almost never.

How often to R9+ parties win HoH? All the time.

Jealously-based rank whining from bad, unranked players really needs to stop.

End of story.

Tingi · Jul 24, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17

I'm rank 4 currently (I've only won Halls once with a r6+ group that called on me to monk cuz im in their friends list

). However I love PvP AND PvE. I used to HA all the time, but then i realised that the grind was just too tedious. So I hardly do it anymore. My favourite is GvG and im in a top 300 guild which I find very fun indeed. I prefer the lengthier battles rather than the faster paced HA.

IMO fame isn't a problem, it's jealous players AND elitist players. Of course I admit if some r9 flashes his emote, I think "oh i wish I was r9" becuase who doesn't? But I won't complain about it. They worked hard for their fame and I could easily get my r9 by going to HA every day and grinding it. However I choose not too and I hone my skills in GvG instead.

However elitist rank players need to stop and think about themselves. With "power" (fame??) makes your head become MASSIVE :P. If a r6 + is LF a monk or whatever in HA, they usually let my in because I am polite and say what build I am. Those are the players I like, who give people lower in rank a chance.

vaxmor · Jul 24, 2006, 10:54 PM // 22:54

cry more.

Celios · Jul 24, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by Navaros

I am sick to death of jealous, unranked people lodging illegitimate complaints about high-ranked people.

Sure rank can be grinded, but it still takes skill to do so.

Those who do not have the skill and fortitude to grind rank also - and instead all they can do is complain about better-ranked players - are indeed not good players, and not the sort of players any good player would take into his party. Serves them right that their destiny is to forever complain about "woe is me" on fan forums whilst all the good high-ranked players are winning HoH.

Rank does indeed indicate skill. How often do unranked parties win HoH? Almost never.

How often to R9+ parties win HoH? All the time.

Jealously-based rank whining from bad, unranked players really needs to stop.

End of story.

Signed 100x over.

Sometimes a high-ranked group will get impatient and grab a lower ranked player. More often than not, that player is kicked 1-2 runs later. Why? Because, sadly, they simply don't know what they're doing.

I might also add that the low-ranked players' impression that the r9+ community does nothing but grind fame couldn't be more wrong. Most good groups will simply rack up 50+ fame in a run or two by virtue of being - get this - good groups. Just because you're doing 1 fame IWAY runs doesn't mean the rest of us are grinding our lives away too.

nightwatchman · Jul 25, 2006, 05:17 AM // 05:17

The problem with trying to measure skill is that there is not one "good at guild wars" skill. Farming 55/SS in UW is a skill, but farming spiders in FoW is a different skill and they can't really be equated. Likewise, in regular pve, a good ele might not be a good monk, etc.

Similarly even in halls, an experienced tank isn't necessarily someone you want running sb/infuse.

One thing the HoH ranks do guarantee though is that you know the maps, and have probably fought *against* a wide variety of different builds and know how to counter some/most of them.

I do gotta say that there is nothing more painful than watching someone in Hells Precipice, etc. posing with his tiger as if luring titans is a HoH skill.

Mera Regila · Jul 25, 2006, 06:06 AM // 06:06

I recently had a funny experiance with someoen with a high rank. I was arguing with him, saying vampiric did way more damage than sundering in the long run. He argued saying sundering is better i only said that cause I couldn't afford sundering >_> I told him calculations, he knew he was beat. All he had to say was.

"Im rank 9, get a life."

BIGGEST contradiction id ever heard. Everyone i told thought it was halarious.

Mera Regila · Jul 25, 2006, 06:15 AM // 06:15

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Originally Posted by Navaros

I am sick to death of jealous, unranked people lodging illegitimate complaints about high-ranked people.

Sure rank can be grinded, but it still takes skill to do so.

Those who do not have the skill and fortitude to grind rank also - and instead all they can do is complain about better-ranked players - are indeed not good players, and not the sort of players any good player would take into his party. Serves them right that their destiny is to forever complain about "woe is me" on fan forums whilst all the good high-ranked players are winning HoH.

Rank does indeed indicate skill. How often do unranked parties win HoH? Almost never.

How often to R9+ parties win HoH? All the time.

Jealously-based rank whining from bad, unranked players really needs to stop.

End of story.

You have absolutely no right to speak on behalf of ALL ranked players in the entire game. I do agree that some players are very good that are high ranked, but some are complete noobs. Ive seen people who bought accounts to get to rank 10. They had no idea at all what they were doing in a simple run through the Random Areans (yes i do Random Arenas to farm Balthazar Faction).

Truth to be told some high ranked people are just bad, end of story. Though you and some of your friends may be good, others are very bad at PvP.

Stockholm · Jul 25, 2006, 06:32 AM // 06:32

I worked in a very PvP like enviroment for 20+ years(pro sport) and found that the ones that let fame go to there heads very quickly went down hill, the coockier they got the more bussines they lost, untill they where the laughing stock of the industry. No matter how good you get DO NOT FORGETT WHERE YOU CAME FROM. The road to the top is long and hard but the road to the bottom is very short and quick. If you can help someone on the way up, the same way you got helped on your way to the top, that makes you the better in the long run.
And to those that like to flash and gloat after winning a match, You don't deserve to win, show some dignety and pride in what you accomplish but remember that there is allways someone better chasing your ass.

Voltar · Jul 25, 2006, 06:35 AM // 06:35

even 'good at pvp' is relative. i blow at ha because grouping is so tedious at r2 which i've gotten from friends telling me, "dude, make an orders real quick," or, "we need a bonder in ha." i'm not so bad at ab or aspenwood and i would probably never even try that build in ha. gvg i'd run around with my finger up my nose probably because i've never been in a gvg guild before.

that's one of the really cool parts of this game. a lot of options and variations.