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Skids · Jul 25, 2006, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by Charqus

i would prefer more pve also but ah well.
It will come.

Only if people voice their opinions and express their concerns.

People posting "anti" this, "anti" that and "close the thread" are obviously people who are either happy enough with the way things are atm, or are just posting out of the need to post anything at all. It is not constructive in the main - merely destructive to the threads topic.

We all hope Nightfall doesnt become Nightmare, and if as rumours have it there have been significant gameplay changes to it since Factions, then that must solely be down to the mass of people who have voiced about their upset - otherwise Anet would just assume we all love it the way it is and not do anything different.

Draxx · Jul 25, 2006, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by Skids

Only if people voice their opinions and express their concerns.

People posting "anti" this, "anti" that and "close the thread" are obviously people who are either happy enough with the way things are atm, or are just posting out of the need to post anything at all. It is not constructive in the main - merely destructive to the threads topic.

We all hope Nightfall doesnt become Nightmare, and if as rumours have it there have been significant gameplay changes to it since Factions, then that must solely be down to the mass of people who have voiced about their upset - otherwise Anet would just assume we all love it the way it is and not do anything different.

*claps* Well Put. I would ALSO like to add that if you are happy the way things are then why not express that...

As much as that point of view is flawed because arenanet keeps nerfing and changing everything anyway, so they would be what I would call… pawns someone who just follows the flow of the game because it is just there and they “cant do anything about it”.

Cacheelma · Jul 25, 2006, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

If you could get more out of Guildwars wouldn't you want it. All i want is the same quantity and quality chapters as was in the original product.

I don't feel like Factions has anything less than Prophercies. That's why I'm not here to ask for free stuff.

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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

Im gettin sleepy and really wish ppl would realize that Arena Net is starting to Nickel and Dime us by making a less quality chapter be a requirement to stay competitive. for example:

1 Storage increase only being available to cantha characters
2 Extra character slots for sale when they stole 2 of yours after you merged your accounts.

Are you happy with losing those slots just because you wanted to bring your Tyrian characters to cantha.

I don't see Factions as less in quality when comparing to Prophecies, the opposite may be even true.

Storage increase issue will make this thread get merged with other threads. And I thought you don't want that to happen, so please, don't raise this issue as an argument or what not.

I'm happy with 2 extra char slots because I want to bring all my chars to wherever I want. Anet didn't stole anything from me. I agreed to do it myself. Hell, you made it sound like I should complain when I buy a PC with soundcard and no speakers but some other options instead (and they stated clearly you won't get any speakers to begin with).

lyra_song · Jul 25, 2006, 12:59 PM // 12:59

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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

A Portion?
Try 90% of ppl from Prophecies. Repeat buying will be lower for chapter 3 unless Arena Net shapes up.

Please dont pull percentages and statistics out of your behind. Thank you.

maybe thats too harsh.

How about....

Speak for yourself. Voice your opinion. But dont act like you speak for everyone because you dont.

forelli3600 · Jul 25, 2006, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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But Nerfing Everything is destroying anyone careing as much as anything else, what is the point in having more explorable areas when you cant farm anyway is how i feel because i love farming, i understand obviously the explorable areas will have other uses rather than farming, but recently the whole Guild Wars Experience has left me feeling like Everytime i achieve something it is ripped away from me.

Some ppl will never understand that nerfing skills is essential for the future of gw.
If you want this lovely game to be dead in a few years, go on whining about your destroyed farmbuild. Just get over it, make a new build and go in again. This game is about skills remember....

Draxx · Jul 25, 2006, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by forelli3600

Some ppl will never understand that nerfing skills is essential for the future of gw.
If you want this lovely game to be dead in a few years, go on whining about your destroyed farmbuild. Just get over it, make a new build and go in again. This game is about skills remember....

Oh My GOD

They are doing it the wrong WAY!

How can you not see this...

You make a build they nerf a build,
You make a build they nerf a build,
You make a build they nerf a build.

That is not they way to make consumers want to play a game,

I am not saying skills don’t need to be nerfed on a whole, but How are you happy with things being run as they are, the whole dynamic of guild wars currently is ultimately pointless if when you come up with something fantastic, instead of being able to be happy with it and proud of yourself you have to be worried because the creator of the game will come and Destroy it because they don’t like it.

It is honestly remarkable that people try to argue this point. A lot of people feel like this a HELL of a lot infact.

It is only because it has such amazing potential that people get upset when they feel robbed by the people that gave us the game in the first place.

I respect that you may enjoy changing your builds, I can even understand the way things need to be nerfed I expect this in any online game.

But it is now just becoming Ridiculous... it is a running joke that ANET will nerf everything in humanity, and now people are getting P*ssed because it just aint funny anymore

Arenenet are making large mistakes, which are making a lot of there players unhappy. And if you think they are not making ANY mistakes regarding this then you are fooling yourself.

Because it must just be the streams of experienced players that are wrong… *sigh

People hate change for the most part this is true, but a lot of people feel things are changing to much and your losing the point of playing the game in the first place.

I don’t mean to be hostile at all. But it is remarkable that instead of thinking maybe he is correct and trying to find common ground people endlessly just say.

‘Don’t Moan Just Adapt…’

There is a line between changing things and completely altering them entirely and it feels more and more like ANET have not only crossed that line but they have got out there Rocket Launcher and blown it to sh*t.

If you dont agree thats fair... but at least come up with some kind of logical reason for why you dont. because i hear very little logical arguement FOR ANET making SO many changes...

Guild Wars is about skill, that s what ANET said... And when you put effort in for over a year only to have everything changed and you have to start over it is more than upsetting.

It seems like they even WANT you to use the Premade Builds, because when you make your own they NERF UM!. *sigh*

lyra_song · Jul 25, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by Draxx

If you dont agree thats fair... but at least come up with some kind of logical reason for why you dont. because i hear very little logical arguement FOR ANET making SO many changes...

You make a build. Its a great build. Its a fun build to play.

Everyone copies it. Everyone plays that same build.

Nobody tries anything new because its the best build ever.

Gameplay is reduced to just playing 1 single build. People get bored. The build is no longer fun because its the only build people play. People who dont use that build get snubbed. Or maybe the build is too powerful.

They nerf that build slightly. And they buff other skills that arent so good.

Now your uber build is not so uber. But now theres other skills to play with.

Voila.

Nerfing and Buffing is all about keeping the game fresh and interesting.

Skids · Jul 25, 2006, 02:53 PM // 14:53

With every nerf the PvE game dies a little more both in-game and in-heart.

"Its all about balancing" they say. So why dont they nerf the bosses and enemies? They dont because the balancing is only about PvP which ultimately is all Anet appear to care about.

Dark Dragon · Jul 25, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Draxx

Oh My GOD

They are doing it the wrong WAY!

How can you not see this...

You make a build they nerf a build,
You make a build they nerf a build,
You make a build they nerf a build.

That is not they way to make consumers want to play a game,

sorry but that is just wrong that is not the way they do things
if you made your own build andkept it to yourself then it wouldn't get nerfed

this is what happens

Somone makes a build, they tell everyone about it, everyone copys that build, the only thing you see is the same builds, they nerf the build,

lather and repeat.

the aspect of you must be using this build or you "sux" put me off pvp entirly and now i only do pve.

if everyone kept there builds to themselves i think that the pvp world would see more diversity as people will have to experiment on there own, but to bad it will never happen.

Draxx · Jul 25, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

Yes YES Finally...

I AGREE!

*takes breath* lol

Skill Nerfing you can get frustrated with but is needed, i do agree. Because there is only 8 Skill spaces you will have a lot A LOT of the same builds,

There are loads of reasons for this. but keeping people thinking i have no problem with. Because I have no problem with coming up with my own builds.

But it seems they go to far and utterly destroy the class in the case of Elementalists and Warriors for example.

There is a difference between tapping someone on the cheek and breaking their nose. And it seems to me ANET is not that aware of the difference.
(A little Extreme perhaps but you get the point.)

Dralspire · Jul 25, 2006, 03:12 PM // 15:12

Thank you to all those that have participated in this discussion so far. Please remember that this thread discusses a certain topic. Accordingly, let's focus on said topic in a respectful and cordial manner please. Thank you.

Skids · Jul 25, 2006, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by Draxx

....so they would be what I would call… pawns someone who just follows the flow of the game because it is just there and they “cant do anything about it”.

I am told that there is a MORPG game about (which looks quite good) called Space Cowboy which some people I know on another forum play a bit of. There is an official forum where I understand that the mods close virtually every thread that sows dissent, criticises and even any that offers suggestions. There is seldom if any input or communique's from the dev's.

One thing I will give Anet credit for is that they do tend to provide information on a reasonably frequent basis - even if its stuff we say "ohhh noooo!!!" to. As I understand it they do also peruse the forums and take on board comments which they may or may not act upon - but at least they look!

Equally there are different levels of admining forums and although you will get the good and bad admins, I have yet to see any GW forum admin who acts like a one man thread eater.

Retribution · Jul 25, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

Coming from a pvper's perspective:

If anet offered new classes and skills and weapons without all the content crap for like 15-20$, I'd buy those over the game. The Factions pve sucked, it was rushed and incomplete. I'm definitly waiting before I rush into nightfall, infact if nightfall sucks I'm out permanently.

Yawgmoth · Jul 25, 2006, 06:59 PM // 18:59

This thread doesnt make sense, it's such a whining fest that it wouyld be better to close it. Arenanet for sure knows what they're doing but it's impossible to make everyone happy

The OP is wrong with the costs:

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Monthly costs to play:
World of Warcraft- about 12 dollars a month
Guild Wars- 10 dollars a month"

wow is more like 15$ and gw 6-8$ per month if you buy every chapter. I bought my Factions for ~36$ and that was a preorder with free shipping, so just look for better deals around.

I like prophecies more than factions and I agree that factions storyline is too short but thats not everything, there are still lots of things to do there, lots of repeatable content.

sorry four my bed english

Stockholm · Jul 25, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Retribution

Coming from a pvper's perspective:

If anet offered new classes and skills and weapons without all the content crap for like 15-20$, I'd buy those over the game. The Factions pve sucked, it was rushed and incomplete. I'm definitly waiting before I rush into nightfall, infact if nightfall sucks I'm out permanently.

Coming from pveer's perspective I would gladly pay $100 for nightfall without the PvP part. And I'm pre-ordering.
Taste is like a ass, split

Maria The Princess · Jul 26, 2006, 06:24 AM // 06:24

maby theyre strategy is to do like this:

Ch1- BASE GAME

Ch 2- PVP>PVE

Ch 3-PVP<PVE

Ch 4-PVP>PVE

Ch 5- PVP<PVE

and so on......

Crimson Ashwood · Jul 26, 2006, 06:42 AM // 06:42

I'm really starting to wonder what people like about Guild Wars at all if they think the "factions PvE sucked". I mean, I was playing it thinking to myself, yep... it's Guild Wars alright... having fun and killing stuff, completing quests and putting up with a poor and cliche storyline (heh, it's sooo bad, like Days of Our Lives with a worse script).

As a player of Guild Wars, not a share holder or a creator, I'm not much concerned with the "business" side of AreaNet/GuildWars team, I'll leave the money making to them.

The WoW vs Guild Wars debate is ongoing, anyone truely interested in the topic would do well to look into and research the business models of the two games and how they differ. It'll heavily enlighten you.

Tarus From Taros · Jul 26, 2006, 07:15 AM // 07:15

First of all, Kurt, it's good to see Guild Wars has stopped your drinking habits

. Secondly, I can see your frustration as a Primary PvE player. I as well was very dissapointed in the PvE aspect of Factions. It took me only two days to finish that game and I wasn't even rushing.

My main complaint with it was the fact that it was a very small area, yet they made it very mazelike and the quests had you repeatedly clearing the same area over and over again with little gratification. Had the quests been more thought out and lore driven I wouldn't have felt it was pointless grinding.

I think it's good you call Anet on these mistakes but also don't worry too much because Arenanet seems like a company that learns from failure and will produce a better product. So guys, please don't flame him because he's stating his oppinion that happens to be negative. If arenanet weren't aware of how these people feel theres more likely of a chance they will continue to make the same mistakes. I'm being very optimistic about Nightfall because my gut instincts tell me it's going to have large replay value to the PvE audience.

Misc Merik · Jul 26, 2006, 08:11 AM // 08:11

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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

Well I guess A-net didn't listen to my last post warning them about their current and future ideas for Guild Wars.

PvP is the end-game for most repeat buyers. To maintain a large player base, an MMORPG must have quality, well-supported PvE. Blizzard has known this since the beginning and that is why they continue to stomp Guild Wars in the market. Guild Wars was a great opportunity with a bright future. It seems that they have had a change in management.

Arena Net is not encouraging PvE play. They are starting small events such as the Dragon Festival as maintanence for the PvE base. What they should be doing is introducing new content in the form of high level areas or revealing more map.

Instead, they are introducing rehashed/expanded PvP content every 6 months for another $50. This is bad business. If Nightfall does not have quality PvE content when released it will be the last game I purchase from Arena Net.

Monthly costs to play:

World of Warcraft- about 12 dollars a month
Guild Wars- 10 dollars a month

Although Guild Wars is a better value it doesn't come near matching WoW in content. I spend absolutely all my time in Prophecies because it has better PvE and I have absolutely no problem with not buying anything else from Arena Net. I will play Prophecies as long as the servers are running.

On the Reverse side of the coin are PvP players who are mildly enjoying the updates and nerfs. I want to know from true PvPer's though, will you continue buying Guild Wars chapters based on what we know so far. Will you or your parents be willing to shell out $100 a year for content that is half as good as the original product.

I do not think Guild Wars will ever tank. They are making profits. But, I can't fathom why they would alienate their customer base and purposely lose money.

For the last time!

I WILL STAY IN PROPHECIES AND ENJOY MY GUILD WARS EXPERIENCE FOR AS LONG AS THE SERVERS ARE OPEN! UNLESS PVE GAME CONTENT NOTICEABLY IMPROVES, I WILL NOT GIVE ARENA NET ONE MORE DIME!

I believe those of us who arent solely locked to any particular section of the game are better off then those who only want pve or only want pvp.

in short I enjoy the game for what it was made for. To be entertaining.

bart · Jul 26, 2006, 08:30 AM // 08:30

I hope so... but i think i'm gonna wait a few months after the release to be certain.