Curse

Fox Reeveheart · Jul 28, 2006, 12:48 PM // 12:48

Ummm have any of you seen this skill yet? >_>

Doesn't holy damage IGNORE armor and double damage against undead? >.>

oh man ._. I can't wait till later on to make my dervy!

this + primal rage would be PIMP for a W/D >.>

but yeah o.o this is gonna be SWEET q.q

its like

10 energy
cast time of 3/4

all nearby foes take ?-? holy damage (one i saw was at 40), for 30 seconds, all your attacks deal holy damage, when the enchantment ends, it lights your foes on fire for one second o.o

im sorry but thats just PIZZIZZOWNED >.>

zeno · Jul 28, 2006, 01:21 PM // 13:21

no damage ignores armor in Guildwars. Any sort of armor-ignore comes from the skills themselves. This is almost like a guy I ran into about a year ago who believed that Chaos Axes ignored armor because they deal chaos dmg(warcraft 3) =/....

The intial ?-? holy damage ignores armor, but the damages dealt by your attacks won't, even though they're dealing holy damage. It's the same deal with Judge's Insight.

degen don't count as dmg

Align · Jul 28, 2006, 01:22 PM // 13:22

See my response in the topic you first saw the skill in.

Yanman.be · Jul 28, 2006, 01:24 PM // 13:24

It's like Judge's Insight I think...wich is actually Light damage.

Align · Jul 28, 2006, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Not that it matters.
HOLY DAMAGE DOES NOT IGNORE ARMOR.

Anryla · Jul 28, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33

What? Holy damage type does not ignore armor? Any proof of that?
Bane signet deals same damage to a warrior as any other proffesion

Or am I totally misstaken?

Shield · Jul 28, 2006, 01:48 PM // 13:48

As zeno said, any armor penetration or armor-ignoring properties are caused by the skill, not the damage type. JI makes you do holy damage, but your damage does not ignore armor. It specifically gets 20% AP. More information is on the wiki:

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Ignore_armor

remmeh · Jul 28, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

D/A AoD+Heart of Holy Flame spike...

Solar_Takfar · Jul 28, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

It does cause double damage against undead, and 5 extra damage about necromancers wearing tormentor's armor (my poor neccrie

)

I was expecting the Paragon, being a "guardian angel" and stuff, to be the one with holy-damaging skills, tho. Instead, he's an angel who likes to make people bleed and set stuff on fire...

Manic Smile · Jul 29, 2006, 10:35 AM // 10:35

old testament followers

Sax Dakota · Jul 29, 2006, 10:56 AM // 10:56

go to isle of the nameless....walk up to the suits of armor, and use holy heart of flame. They all take the same dmg which is 64 if you go right out with the premade.....

The damage that is listed on holy heart is exactly what you are going to hit for, minus damage prevention enchants.

Makaelthos Solcry · Jul 29, 2006, 11:12 AM // 11:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeno

no damage ignores armor in Guildwars. Any sort of armor-ignore comes from the skills themselves. This is almost like a guy I ran into about a year ago who believed that Chaos Axes ignored armor because they deal chaos dmg(warcraft 3) =/....

The intial ?-? holy damage ignores armor, but the damages dealt by your attacks won't, even though they're dealing holy damage. It's the same deal with Judge's Insight.

degen don't count as dmg

That's bull crap shadow damage and chaos damage ignore armor.

Terra Xin · Jul 29, 2006, 11:21 AM // 11:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

It's like Judge's Insight I think...wich is actually Light damage.

err7, only selected monk wands/staves deal light damage, judges insight deals holy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makaelthos Solcry

That's bull crap shadow damage and chaos damage ignore armor.

I am totally convinced that people who have posted in here do not read this thread. So let me make everything clear -

Any damage that is inflicted by weapons is subject to passing through armour. If a weapon is enchanted to perform holy damage, because it is a weapon, it is still subject to armour, regardless if your weapon deals holy damage. The real benefit of holy is its increased damage versus selected armour on necromancers and undead minions.

Damage caused by the skill itself are not subject to the properties of the weapon, and therefore ignroe armour altogether. Excluding elemental damage, this is very much true.

And please read the link provided by Shield - http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Ignore_armor

WhiteZombie · Jul 29, 2006, 12:19 PM // 12:19

generally, spells that do holy damage ignore armor. holy damage on weapons, however, is simply another type of damage other than physical damage. it still does double damage to the undead, however.

so, in turn, the initial AoE of heart of holy flame ignores armor. the attacks just have their property changed to 'holy', and do not ignore armor.

ubermancer · Jul 29, 2006, 01:56 PM // 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeno

no damage ignores armor in Guildwars. Any sort of armor-ignore comes from the skills themselves. This is almost like a guy I ran into about a year ago who believed that Chaos Axes ignored armor because they deal chaos dmg(warcraft 3) =/....

Chaos Axes did actually use to do Chaos dmg, and no, it didnt ignore armor (but there was no way to resist it other then base armor)

Poison Ivy · Jul 29, 2006, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeno

no damage ignores armor in Guildwars. Any sort of armor-ignore comes from the skills themselves. This is almost like a guy I ran into about a year ago who believed that Chaos Axes ignored armor because they deal chaos dmg(warcraft 3) =/....

The intial ?-? holy damage ignores armor, but the damages dealt by your attacks won't, even though they're dealing holy damage. It's the same deal with Judge's Insight.

degen don't count as dmg

Don't belive this bullcrap.

Shadow dmg / Holy dmg ignores armor.

Holy dmg doubles on undead (Dunno about Shadow dmg)

And don't pay attention to zeno, he has NO CLUE what he's talking about

Goats17 · Jul 29, 2006, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Holy damage ignores armor, but Judges Insight doesn't. That would just be unfair. It, and Heart, are the only exceptions to the Holy Dmg rule. I think.

Million Blades · Jul 29, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

Try getting a wand that deals holy/light damage, and then a wand that deals something like fire damage, and then attack the 100 armour dummy. I think you'll find they both do the same damage overall.

Spura · Jul 29, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goats17

Holy damage ignores armor, but Judges Insight doesn't. That would just be unfair. It, and Heart, are the only exceptions to the Holy Dmg rule. I think.

There is no holy damage rule.
Damage from skills always ignores armor unless it is declared to be physical or elemental. Damage from weapons never ignores armor.

Damage from smiting spells is holy solely for purpose of hurting undead. It could simply be no type damage otherwise.

linh · Jul 29, 2006, 03:14 PM // 15:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

Don't belive this bullcrap.

Shadow dmg / Holy dmg ignores armor.

Holy dmg doubles on undead (Dunno about Shadow dmg)

And don't pay attention to zeno, he has NO CLUE what he's talking about

Shadow Damage and Holy Damage (like in Shadow Strike, Banish, etc..) only ignores armor because skills describe that. Judge's Insight doesn't because it makes your attack deal Holy Damage ( just like a type of damage : Physical Damage, Elemental Damage...), thus your attack can't ignore armor.