Curse

Caleb · Jul 25, 2006, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

So what will you do when you find poorly edited text in the game? Because it's only a question of when, not if,

Since you quoted me, I will respond to your question.

What will I do? I will overlook the editing error and continue on with the game I am enjoying. While I understand your fervor, I do not share it.

QuietWanderer · Jul 25, 2006, 11:45 PM // 23:45

all your base are belong to us

Roza · Jul 26, 2006, 12:40 AM // 00:40

I fully agree with the OP. And yes, Anet needs to make sure that their product remains a quality product. Polish actually means a lot (which includes good script writing and voice-acting, btw, and making sure maps for pvp are bug-free).

More importantly, the article mentioned was not really worthy of being a state of the game article. Previously, these article tended to be quite interesting to the serious GvG player. Now they asked someone to put up a little guide to TA and RA especially. I am sorry, but I and many others like me have posted far better guides on guild-websites and (public) forums. The fact that Anet brushes off the fans with stuff like that does make me wonder whether the original inspiration and zeal is still there.

bigwig · Jul 26, 2006, 04:23 AM // 04:23

The grammar apocalypse is at hand! Repent!

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 26, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

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Originally Posted by Caleb The Pontiff

What will I do? I will overlook the editing error and continue on with the game I am enjoying. While I understand your fervor, I do not share it.

Thank you for giving a concise, comprehensive, fair and intelligent answer to a question. Online forums could really use more posts like yours.

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Originally Posted by bigwig

The grammar apocalypse is at hand! Repent!

It is, and you better! I mean, it says so right on the poster board I'm wearing!

VitisVinifera · Jul 26, 2006, 04:47 AM // 04:47

I gotta say, once you become a working stiff in something other than flipping burgers, professionalism says a lot about a company. While the editing, grammatical, and spelling errors might not prevent me from buying another game from them (there are several other things that WILL and very well could, but my opinions on these things have been shared in other threads), these sorts of things reflect on a company's management, vision, and quality.

I workin a quality field (a pharmaceutical manufacturing company where I am in QA), and these things are important to me. I agree with the OP and would just LOVE to see Gaile chime in in a thread like this. This is her company (figuratively), and to see such slop being thrown on to a site feature that she's hyped, one would think this should come to her attention.

anonymous · Jul 26, 2006, 05:45 AM // 05:45

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Originally Posted by Skuld

Hmm, your very reply says a lot.

Although I think the errors should be fixed and shouldnt have been there in the first place for a proffesional company, I think his point was that you can read and understand it. You know what he said even through the errors right?

markus_thom · Jul 26, 2006, 07:51 AM // 07:51

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

I've been saying this for a while but I feel the need to say it again: the quality of editing on the main Guild Wars site (http://www.guildwars.com/) has been exceptionally poor lately. I say this not because I expect every writer of every article to have perfect punctuation and grammar, but because I already know - as Gaile Gray has posted - that professional editors are checking all articles before they are uploaded to the site. This isn't a post about a poor job on the part of the writers, whose job it is to create content. This is a post about a poor job on the part of the editors, whose job it is to make sure all content is edited properly.

Case in point: yesterday's State of the Game article. I don't know if this item was rushed or whether the editing process was skipped entirely, but there are things in that article that even Microsoft Word would catch, ranging from misspellings to multiple punctuation marks to missing words. The description of "The Crag" arena at the very end of the Random Arena section is a veritable minefield of editing errors, including things like "killsin 3minutes" and "akillA" and the seemingly ubiquitous double punctuation.

I understand that in online communication where time is of the essence misspellings will occur, and a lot of us read or use "unedited" language in the game itself. But official content from the company that releases this game, content that isn't subjected to the same time constraints as in-game speech, should be held up to a higher standard.

I care about this game and I can't stand the thought that its main, official website contains errors. Neither can I believe it's good business, not with a "Contacts from journalists" email listed on the Support page. A few editing errors aren't something to base one's opinion of the whole game on, but a journalist who finds them on the site and then finds them again in the game might just give a less favorable review.

I'd like to give direct feedback about this issue, but there doesn't seem to be a "Site feedback" email on the Support page. Not knowing which email address to use, I've mailed my specific editing concerns with the State of the Game article to the "General Community Contact" address. I am, however, getting a bit discouraged, what with no feedback going the other way. Only a month ago Gaile Gray started a thread on this very forum devoted to anything we as players could spot in terms of things that needed fixing. The only thing there I know was fixed is the wording on Knights and Ascalon armor, because I can see that in update notes. If someone is fixing things we're noticing, I'd like to see it reported somewhere so I can give the people a hand for making Guild Wars better. If nothing is being done I'd like to know that too, so that I can enter my "angry customer" mode and try to rile the community up to do the same

What kills me most is that people are getting paid to prevent errors, and yet errors are so numerous. If we're getting tapped by ANet to help find them, I'd really like to know what's being done to fix and prevent them.

I'm not serious about spelling, I make typos all the time due to lack of sleep and a average vocabulary, but if its your job/caree then it should be taken seriously. Otherwise people might start to think anet are very rushed.

It does give you that rushed feeling, and gives you a insight into how anet produce themselfs.

Loviatar · Jul 26, 2006, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

So what will you do when you find poorly edited text in the game? Because it's only a question of when, not if, with all the editing errors that have been pointed out in .

i think i will continue on playing in spite of the trauma.

a possible reaction of some is this.

*when in fear
when in doubt
find an error
scream and shout*

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 26, 2006, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

*when in fear
when in doubt
find an error
scream and shout*

Find an error. One.

How many errors will it take until you start getting concerned?

Because at present, the number of editing errors isn't decreasing.

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

To follow through, I just checked on a factual error that was present in the 07/13 issue of the Scribe, and it appears to have been fixed. Where originally Rotscale "made the eastern boarder of Kryta its home," the sentence has been changed to read "made the western boarder of Kryta its home." How is it that while changing "eastern" into "western" the editor didn't notice the word next to it?

majoho · Jul 26, 2006, 09:31 PM // 21:31

LOL, this is a joke.

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 26, 2006, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by majoho

LOL, this is a joke.

Of course it is. Which is why ANet is paying people to edit articles on its website.

If ANet is taking it seriously enough for it to be a job, why shouldn't we care when the job isn't being done well?

majoho · Jul 26, 2006, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Actually I wasn't meaning your post even though I might as well have been, but I'm talking about the nazi mods that keeps deleting my posts, if they have a problem with them they could at least PM me and tell me what the problem is.

But on subject again.

What's with the bolding stuff in all your posts?

And just because you won every spelling bee you ever competed in most people still don't think it's much (or any) of a problem that things are spelled wrong on the site - it's a simple game homepage, not some fancy business page.

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 26, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by majoho

But on subject again.

What's with the bolding stuff in all your posts?

I bold my main points so that people who skip over things can still get what I'm talking about.

I also bold things for emphasis

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Originally Posted by majoho

And just because you won every spelling bee you ever competed in most people still don't think it's much (or any) of a problem that things are spelled wrong on the site - it's a simple game homepage, not some fancy business page.

I've never competed in a spelling bee, and the only reason I've ever mentioned that I do editing for my college's literary magazine is because I hope my experience gives some validity to my statements.

I don't know how much more of a "fancy business" Guild Wars can become. Think about it: with 2 million copies of Prophecies and Factions sold, Guild Wars has brought in $100 million. Of course the actual numbers are lower because not all of the $50 you pay for the game goes directly to ANet - unless you bought the game directly from the NCSoft online store or the upcoming in-game Official Guild Wars store. I'd call any business that boasts a revolutionary revenue model, 2 million items sold and a huge fan following of their product a "fancy" one.

Guild Wars is ANet's business since it's (right now) the only ANet game. The Guild Wars website is the main advertisement for Guild Wars. I believe it should be held up to the "fancy business page" standards because it is very likely to be the first place incoming customers will look for detailed game information.

Loviatar · Jul 26, 2006, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

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I don't know how much more of a "fancy business" Guild Wars can become. Think about it: with 2 million copies of Prophecies and Factions sold, Guild Wars has brought in $100 million. Of course the actual numbers are lower because not all of the $50 you pay for the game goes directly to ANet - unless you bought the game directly from the NCSoft online store or the upcoming in-game Official Guild Wars store. I'd call any business that boasts a revolutionary revenue model, 2 million items sold and a huge fan following of their product a "fancy" one.

Guild Wars is ANet's business since it's (right now) the only ANet game. The Guild Wars website is the main advertisement for Guild Wars. I believe it should be held up to the "fancy business page" standards because it is very likely to be the first place incoming customers will look for detailed game information.

were you aware that everything you described belongs to NCSoft?

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Who is ArenaNet?

ArenaNet is a wholly owned subsidiary of NCsoft Corporation

Meo Yeong · Jul 26, 2006, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

I've never competed in a spelling bee, and the only reason I've ever mentioned that I do editing for my college's literary magazine is because I hope my experience gives some validity to my statements.

LOL

Run-on sentence

Has two subjects.

Should be.

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I've never competed in a spelling bee. The only reason I've ever mentioned that I do editing for my college's literary magazine is because I hope my experience gives some validity to my statements.

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There goes your experience out the window LOL.

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 27, 2006, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

were you aware that everything you described belongs to NCSoft?

So instead of addressing the issue, you want to play the blame game?

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Who is ArenaNet?

ArenaNet is a wholly owned subsidiary of NCsoft Corporation

Owned, yes. Operated? Hardly. ANet has its own team of game developers, quality assurance testers and even editors. ANet employees are listed separately from NCSoft employees on The ArenaNet Team page. If you complete Factions and stick around long enough in the Divine Path, you get to see game credits for Factions, which also list ANet employees separately from NCSoft employees.

While ANet is technically the property of NCSoft, my understanding is that the ANet team enjoys a considerable degree of autonomy, illustrated majorly by the fact that all other NCSoft games have a monthly subscription fee. Are you suggesting that ANet is nothing more than an adjunct of NCSoft, a "branch office" under direct and total control of the parent company with no input on how things are done?

Or are you telling me to take my concerns to NCSoft, because it's NCSoft's fault that editing errors are present on the Guild Wars website, and NCSoft will be more interested in hearing about them since it's the company that receives money from successful sales of the Guild Wars product? And therefore, as the business behind Guild Wars, NCSoft would care about how well the official website presents the game to potential customers where ANet would not?

From the multiple things I've read on the fansites and the main Guild Wars site, I believe that the ANet team is committed to constantly making Guild Wars better. Are you saying they don't because they don't have as much of a vested interest in Guild Wars as NCSoft does, because they're working for a paycheck and not a commission?

Unless you have the inside scoop on the degree of autonomy ANet receives from NCSoft and ANet's relative freedom in terms of regulating Guild Wars content both in the game and on the official website, why bring NCSoft into this?

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Originally Posted by Meo Yeong

LOL

Run-on sentence

I only hope that stating my experience gives my claims a degree of validity. I never claimed that degree would be absolute

Besides, am I getting paid to post in this thread? I wish!

Loviatar · Jul 27, 2006, 12:30 AM // 00:30

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

So instead of addressing the issue, you want to play the blame game?
Owned, yes. Operated?:

i do not have the slightest idea what set you off on that tangent.

you made a list of Anet assets and i merely said that NCSoft is the owner of those stated assets as indeed Anet is

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a wholly owned subsidiary of NCsoft Corporation

i was addressing the wealth of Anet assets listed as being NCSoft assets nothing more

YunSooJin · Jul 27, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

It's nothing but disgrace on ANET's part that they decide to trot out shoddy workmanship. It's nothing but disgrace to the players that are constantly making excuses and explaining away ANET's behavior.

I think our little PR Rep's silence on this issue says enough.

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 27, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

i do not have the slightest idea what set you off on that tangent.

you made a list of Anet assets and i merely said that NCSoft is the owner of those stated assets as indeed Anet is

i was addressing the wealth of Anet assets listed as being NCSoft assets nothing more

So how does the fact that NCSoft owns ANet relate to the fact that the main Guild Wars website contains editing errors? I went off on a tangent to find a connection, since you didn't provide one.