Curse

Riplox · Aug 03, 2006, 09:35 PM // 21:35

To QuietWanderer:
I don't think a fee would be a very good idea because it would deter people from selling there as they would not want to pay it. I know I wouldn't even if it's like, say, 100 gold or something. They would just go back to selling in normal chat.

To Enchanted Warrior: Read my post #32. I've done most of the work on how a trade "bazzar or vendor", as you put it, should work. If you did read it, then I don't know what to say except; why did you just reitterate what I said? Sorry if I came of as pissed (as I'm not), I value people's suggestions even if they are redundant or totally wrong or against what I believe.

- Riplox

eternal pho · Aug 03, 2006, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quince

I hope I’m posting this in the right forum... .If not admins please move it. I thought this is where it should go. To the best of my knowledge this is also an original thread… so here we go!
Are you tired of going into an area and trying to talk to someone on the local chat channel only to have your message lost in an over flow of "WTS...." or "WTB..." all on the local chat channel? You are not alone. Recently I have seen that some sellers are deciding that the best way to sell their items is to move into the local channel. I for one am not going to tolerate this, nor should you. People often say.... well just ignore them. I say this is unacceptable for 2 reasons 1) the ignore list is only so long.... and 2) why should I have to work more simply because others aren't following the rules? With this in mind I have started a campaign and a call for others who are also tired of this. If we ban together I’m sure there are enough of us to implement my plan. The more people involved the easier it will be to do. I have found that simply asking most people to cease and desist and to start using the trade channel is enough. There are some people who think that they have the right to just shout wherever they want and I’m asking the GW staff about this currently... if it is considered spam.... if it is reporting them will be the next step. ANYWAY.... here is where you the reader come in.... if you wish to join this little alliance (not an actual guild alliance.... just a group of concerned players that the game is taking a nasty turn) please let me know here.... or through a private message. All you have to do is if you see someone misusing the local chat.... let them know that it is best... for the thing they are selling/buying and for the rest of the community that they use the proper channel for the proper purpose. Thank you for your time and I hope you will support me in this endeavor.

Thats why theres a whisper chat =D

Quince · Aug 04, 2006, 03:50 AM // 03:50

no... whisper chat is if you know who you want to talk to and you want to have a one on one discussion. Party chat is if you want to make a party and talk with the people in there, 8 max.

However what if you wanted to, as i said, organize a party, or ask a question, or just have a general conversation. The community is there for these kind of things. Not having an enviournment where these things flourish is a waste and a shame.

TheMosesPHD · Aug 04, 2006, 04:13 AM // 04:13

Let me guess: All of the people in favor of all traders moving to trade chat only are the same people that always have trade chat muted? I'm sure you'll come up with excuses for it, but, plain and simple, it's absurd what you're asking for. I'm just gonna make this one post because the last thread like this went on forever...

If you don't want to see trade spam, zone out of the 1-3 districts of the main cities. People always talk about moving all traders to other "trade" districts or the last districts (as if the last districts are any diff than the first), but we already have trade districts: the first few districts of the main cities. Anyway it has to be the first 1 to 3 districts because those are the districts that are constant.

People talk about wanting to be able to form groups and talk, but common sense tells every single person in the world that actually does want to chat that if they move out of district 1-3 then they'll be, for the most part, free and clear from trade spam in chat. You randomly zone into districts, so if you randomly zone into the one you don't like, move.

Until ANet impliments a better system, this one works best for the economy, and it only aggrivates a minute population of GW players.

Good luck with the thread. I'll come back in the morning and see what people are saying on page 15 of this thread.

Lemme requote my first sentence, because people in favor of hating traders always overlook the pitiful irony:
"All of the people in favor of all traders moving to trade chat only are the same people that always have trade chat muted." <--ironic

EDIT: Oh, and everybody should use GWGuru Auction house

thx

sky the unstopable · Aug 04, 2006, 05:42 AM // 05:42

as much as i would love a "trade" district it would never work. we cant get people to advertise in a trade channel and you want them to move to a different district? way to much work. the entire idea behind advertising in local (which i do not do) is to reach all the people you can. no one would move to a new district because you would only get the people who are looking for something specificaly. but i do detest spammers in every way when i see people spamming

E/MO LFG............1
E/MO LFG............2

and so forth i make sure they dont make it into my group. thats just how i roll.

forgive me for my spelling. -sky

Tripped · Aug 04, 2006, 06:50 AM // 06:50

well too bad the floor of kaineng centre has the same color as the trade text

stop whining

Slainster · Aug 04, 2006, 07:03 AM // 07:03

spam sux.. it takes the fun out of some of the hilarious conversations that happen in town, it would be great if there were some way to fix this properly, I personally dont think an inhouse auction system will be the complete answer, there will still be spammers

aron searle · Aug 04, 2006, 08:13 AM // 08:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMosesPHD

People talk about wanting to be able to form groups and talk, but common sense tells every single person in the world that actually does want to chat that if they move out of district 1-3 then they'll be, for the most part, free and clear from trade spam in chat. You randomly zone into districts, so if you randomly zone into the one you don't like, move.

Stop being so damn reasonable, how are people supposed to rage against traders if there is a reasonable and sensible soloution damn you.

Its the principle of the matter errrmm YEA.........

cough

Quince · Aug 04, 2006, 09:10 AM // 09:10

last time i checked... which is right now.... trading is still going on in pretty much every district i see in KC that people are actually in.... so yea... your 1-3 idea thing, i beleive i already adressed that by saying i was staying out of D1 in most areas and D1-3 in major trading areas.
you should try reading posts you are argueing about.

no, i don't always have trade chat muted... only when i don't want to trade/buy/sell anything. what a novel idea. just like if i don't want to talk to anyone localy i don't turn on local chat. I turn it on when i have something to sell or buy and turn it off when i am done. The poeple that are complaining here are the people that are annoyed with other players interupting thier game play or conversation with offers on things they don't want. Everything has it's place. Local Chat is not the Place for Trade.

CorstedPirate · Aug 04, 2006, 10:42 AM // 10:42

The spamming WTS/WTB in mission outposts is very hard to get around. There is often only 1 district these days. Not only that, it doesn't take very many people trade spamming in all chat to make it impossible to find a group for anything. In places like Ascalon, Droks, LA, and KC there is no district that is not considered a trade district. It is not acceptable to me that one of the basic principles of the game fails in those cities.

I mean the trade channel gets maybe 20% of the trade activety that the all channel does. If it was more even I wouldn't care as much, it would mean people are actually trying to use it. It is so obvious that people don't care to use it that I don't think a place devoted to trading will be enough to solve this problem. A mere auction house will not be enough. Something has to be implimented that is more convienent than spamming. An in game auction listing that allows people to set a specific price for the item they wish to sell(such as materials) or to set a minimum bid with a time limit like the guru system. Something like that would allow people to haggle while continuing to farm which would cut down on a bit of trade spam.

They need to give us something that lets people be lazy while getting what they want. That is the only way to promote the use of it. The trade channel does not make things easy enough for eveyone to want to use it.

EDIT: Something with booths and a specific place you have to go to to buy from there, or to begin the auction just won't work. It will require time that people don't want to give

Liber Pater · Aug 04, 2006, 11:25 AM // 11:25

it's not that much of a problem for the most part, i feel. There's only a few major towns that are major trading centers. Lions Arc, K Center, and Ascalon to name a few. While I agree it's utterly annoying, i think, at the very least, WTS should be kept in the trade channel and WTB should be acceptable in chat channel. Oh, I left out the Monestary, Cavalon, Droks, ToA.....but there's plenty of places that are somewhat spam-free.

Tark Alkerk · Aug 04, 2006, 11:30 AM // 11:30

where my Auction house anet?
i am geting old here
seroiusly tho,
anet has said that the auction house has been on the cards for a while now.
either implement it or spill the beans that it can't be done.
i am getting tired of waiting.
here starts the campaign to free droks int dis 1

Quince · Aug 04, 2006, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Corsted, i agree completely. The using the local channels for now IS much easier because people who don't look at GW as a "group game" or "co-op" game are the ones supporting the local chat traders. These are the people who only log on to farm and get cooler stuff for themselves (for the most part this has been my observation) or run through the entire game with henchies simply because it is easier then making a party instead of getting to know people.

I apologize if some people who use local chat for trade are reading this and don't think this describes them, however it is none the less my point that this local chat trade was implemented by people who are just worried about pushing thier stuff as fast as possible on people who aren't even in the market for what they are selling, kind of like door to door salesmen or really sleezy used car salesmen.

A point was brought up. Some of the people posting to keep it in trade chat always have thier trade chat off. I personally do not however if others wish to do that that is thier choice. The entire game is not a market place and if people never what to turn trade on to buy or sell anything then that is thier buisness. What's next? After making them listen to everything you have to sell when they just want to talk to some people in a town or organize a party, are you going to make them buy what you have to sell? Seems ridiculous to me.

So as i said before, please keep it in trade chat. You want to give something away for free... fine advertise it on local (since that hardly ever happens anyway) however if you are looking for gold or any other service or item in return for your service or item, trade chat is where your proposal belongs.

Vahn Roi · Aug 04, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Wouldn't an auction house change "W T S SUNDERING ONI BLADE!!!!" to "W T S SUNDERING ONI BLADE!!!! CHECK AUCTION HOUSE!!!!"

Doesn't help much in my mind...or am I missing something?

Quince · Aug 04, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

well the idea of auction house is they have pretty much everything so it is automaticly assumed if you are looking to buy something you will be in auction house. So the WTS in auction house wouldn't really happen, because if you are saying "I'm Selling something in the Place where everyone sells something" you sound less like a seller and more like a special kid looking for a cookie.

AnnaCloud9 · Aug 04, 2006, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vahn Roi

Wouldn't an auction house change "W T S SUNDERING ONI BLADE!!!!" to "W T S SUNDERING ONI BLADE!!!! CHECK AUCTION HOUSE!!!!"

Doesn't help much in my mind...or am I missing something?

You are missing nothing, because you are exactly right.

Sadly

Natalie Bredesfjord · Aug 04, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

i think moderators will be the only way to get rid of the WTB/WTS problem once and for all. Everytime someone uses local chat to sell/buy items ban them for one day. Repeat, and bam..banned again. That should educate people. Telling them to pretty please use the proper channels will not.

mqstout · Aug 04, 2006, 08:25 PM // 20:25

The autofilter, as most people predicted, only caused people to adjust their messages -- and make them annoying. It's no longer "WTS blah ". It's "\/\/TS blah" and "^&?#$*^@$*%$#(@* selling blah! |||||||||||||||||"

Riplox · Aug 04, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Natalie, I agree with that whole-heartedly. And that ban isn't unreasonable either. The only problem is that that ANet isn't about to go sinking more money into a freeplay game. So unless GW become a pay-to-play game, we won't be seeing that any time soon.

Vahn Roi: A way to solve that problem would be to make the people who open a store in the Auction House stay there in order to sell their stuff. Disable local and trade chat in the House and you're golden.

Then for people who still go about the game trying to sell their stuff without using the auction house, you ban them from chat for some amount of time. Have the "ban bot" recognise an entire list of selling techniques and not just wts, WTS, wtb, WTB. Or as was suggested earlier: Take numbers out of local chat, and my little addition, remove trade chat altogether once the Auction House is implemented.

- Riplox

aron searle · Aug 04, 2006, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vahn Roi

Wouldn't an auction house change "W T S SUNDERING ONI BLADE!!!!" to "W T S SUNDERING ONI BLADE!!!! CHECK AUCTION HOUSE!!!!"

Doesn't help much in my mind...or am I missing something?

Yes you are missing something

A % of people are simply doing it because they feel its quicker, a % of people would not use the trade/local channel at all if there was an auction house, so trade spam would drop by a %.

The ONLY thing you can argue is what that % is, and as none of use know, anyone who claims to is simply pulling figures out their arse.