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shardfenix · Aug 07, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

A large number of you keep saying that PvE has nothing to do with PvP. Try pvp, then say that again. PvE and PvP are the exact same thing, except eoe bomb isnt a build in pve. That's all. Oh, and pve is 100 times easier because you're fighting enemies with no intelligence whatsoever. I can 4 man FoW with my pvp guild EASILY. I am still amazed that 8 people cannot do it. And I love when noobs refuse the fact that I can 6-man the deep.

Blackest Rose · Aug 07, 2006, 08:26 PM // 20:26

I don't play PVP because of exactly the post above me.....

I prefer teamwork and having a good time rather than saying "I'm the best and you PVE'ers are complete noobs...."

"Look at me I can do the deep with 6 people....I'm the best."

So what if I die and don't have the best uber build in the world - it doesn't make a bad player or ruin that persons experience.
Stuff like being called a newb/noob in PVP does ruin that experience so I take the easy way out and give it a complete miss.

I'd rather play co-op than competitive.

I'd really like if Anet gave some indication on what proportion of the people play PVE or PVP or both.... it would be an interesting stat I'm sure

Mithie · Aug 07, 2006, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Blackest Rose

I don't play PVP because of exactly the post above me.....

I prefer teamwork and having a good time rather than saying "I'm the best and you PVE'ers are complete noobs...."

Uh, if you're good at teamwork and have good communication skills, then you won't be called a noob because people will actually work well with you.

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I'd rather play co-op than competitive.

Then I agree, PvP isn't for you.

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So what if I die and don't have the best uber build in the world - it doesn't make a bad player or ruin that persons experience.

Well, if you die and don't use an optimal build which is effective for the type of PvP and role your team fits you with, then guess what? You ARE a bad player - a bad pvp player.

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Stuff like being called a newb/noob in PVP does ruin that experience so I take the easy way out and give it a complete miss.

To be frank, and - with the disclaimer that no one is forcing to pvp, and that if you don't like pvp, well then that's perfectly fine - if being called a noob gets you so pissed off that you want to avoid a good part of a product which you paid 50 bucks for, well then, maybe you aren't quite the type of person Al Gore invented the internet for.

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I'd really like if Anet gave some indication on what proportion of the people play PVE or PVP or both.... it would be an interesting stat I'm sure

Look - in the 50 bucks that you paid for Guild Wars, you paid for BOTH the PvP AND PvE portion. So why not try both out? You paid for it...

Mister Overhill · Aug 07, 2006, 09:18 PM // 21:18

I still play a lot of FPS, and for my age I think I'm pretty good, but playing console games with my grandkids makes it plain that I have no business in serious competition.

<-- (the old pro)

Andy_M · Aug 07, 2006, 09:34 PM // 21:34

One thing this thread has proved - 'never the twain shall meet'. Although reading the pvp evangelists trying to convert people is always good for a laugh.

Metanoia · Aug 07, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by Andy_M

One thing this thread has proved - 'never the twain shall meet'. Although reading the pvp evangelists trying to convert people is always good for a laugh.

Interesting conclusion, considering that almost every post in this thread was made by someone that plays either PvE or BOTH. I'm sure everyone who's read your original post in this topic is well aware of your perfectly rational distain for the PvP community, there's no need to re-affirm it every other page.

Ps.

Myria · Aug 08, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

The top five reasons I don't PVP --

5) I like being called a 'scrub' -- a term PVPers seem to like hurling around almost as much as 'noob' -- because I PVE. I'm not entirely sure what is meant by 'scrub', but I figure that cleanliness is next to godliness, scrubbing leads to cleanliness, thus being a 'scrub' must mean one is godly. Not that I particularly aspire to goddesshood, mind you, but it does seem clear that 'scrub' is a high compliment indeed.

4) Being a contrarian by nature, I enjoy playing the game as it was never meant to be played. I have no idea why it was never meant to be played PVE-only (or pretty much so), but I've been told that so many times that I'm sure it must be so. I figure it must be a religious thing, something along the lines of "And Lord Balthazar said, "Thou shalt hold only PVP in thine heart, and PVE only in disgust and with nose held whilst screaming 'UAX now!' over and over until it rends the heavens and sunders the souls of those who would PVE for fun."". Or something like that, anyway.

3) I prefer a challenge. In PVP everyone's the same level, everyone has the same health, everyone has the same armor, everyone has the same skills... Boring! No challenge at all! Now go fight Rotscale. He's ten levels higher than you, has roughly 20 times your health, has essentially infinite energy, his skills do several multiples of the amount of damage yours can, your hexes only last half as long on him, and he casts twice as fast as you. Throw in all of his buddies and random poison spots and it's enough to give any sane person nightmares. I dunno about you, but in my book fighting Rotty is much more of a challenge than fighting your average wammo who's primary skill is the ability to type 'noob' quickly and often.

2) Amusingly enough, given that it fundamentally involves naught save two small groups of people trying to beat the sacred airborne rodent defecation out of each other for no apparent reason, PVP violates my anti-social nature. In PVE I can (and have) hench the entire game. In PVE I can (and do) play only with my small circle of close friends. In PVE I can, with a little care and the unchecking of chat options, pretty much ignore the rest of the player population and in turn be ignored by the rest of the player population. In PVE I've never been tempted to type 'lfg' (or, for that matter, anything else), never had anyone question my build, and I've always played exactly as I wish. Aside from RA, which I've been told numerous times is not "true" PVP (excuse me for a moment while I roll my eyes), one needs a group to PVP -- a problem, as my small circle of friends is comprised entirely of individuals even less interested in PVP than I. In PVP one's build will invariably, and not without reason, be questioned. In PVP one will not play as one wishes, but will play as the group needs, or one will lose early and often. As my desire to participate in such a team 'sport' ranks just slightly lower than my desire to have red-hot needles stuck under my fingernails whilst undergoing a triple root canal, sans anesthesia, it's safe to say that PVP and I are not ever going to get along.

1) Fundamentally, and more seriously, I don't PVP because doing so offers nothing of interest to me. It doesn't excite me to beat another person, it doesn't particularly bother me to lose to another person. I don't care about fame, rank, glad points, Balth faction, or any ladder. The one time, in the over a year I've been playing, that PVP did offer something I wanted, I did try it. I played a lot, I won a lot, and I lost a lot. I got what I wanted and discovered that while PVP was more, much more, exhilarating and quite a lot easier than I had expected, in the end my instincts were right and it simply wasn't for me. Once I had what I wanted I simply wasn't interested enough to bother going back and doing any more. For me, the Nightfall PVP beta aside, PVP lacks anything that motivates me whilst PVE is filled with things I find interesting and motivating. In the end it's as simple as that.

Tarun · Aug 08, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

PvE and PvP are the exact same thing [...] because you're fighting enemies with no intelligence whatsoever

Whoa, he's right. PvE and PvP ARE the same because you always fight enemies with NO intelligence!

Man, that's a startling revelation!

hidden_agenda · Aug 08, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40

To me, GW time is usually my downtime -- i.e. I am trying to relax / unwind. The few times I've played PvP, the experience seems to involve lots of:
1) posturing
2) name calling
3) immature / stupid behavior

None of which really appeals to me...

Jeslica666 · Aug 08, 2006, 01:42 AM // 01:42

A-net has publicly said that GuildWars was not built for PvP, and it's not. Many people try to say that it was, and that's all that is good about the game. But everyone I have talked to that has told me that have not played other games that were PvP based. GuildWars PvP was just an add-on, and it is not what PvP is all about. GuildWars was built to be a PvE game.

The PvP part of the game is not welcoming to new members that would like to try it out and maybe play PvP more often. I've tried it out, but I could never get in a good group because of everyone wanting a ranked person in the team. Well, I hate to break it to you, but you can't rank if you can't get in a team. Someone can be kickass and not be ranked. PvE takes just as much skill and patience as PvP does if you play the game right and not try to rush to the end.

I have never kept myself a PvP slot. All the characters I have brought up are flexible to any build that I want to put on them. PvP characters are a one shot build. They are built for one thing, and one thing only. You go and tell the game you want to create a PvP character and Boom! you're automatically level 20 and pumped to the max. You can buy every skill in the game playing against other level 20 computers, and as I see it, cheat the game out from the real fun of building yourself up from nothing.

I know everyone will continue to argue the facts over PvE and PvP, but if you're a real gamer and have played a multitude of different games, you can see the difference right away and pinpoint the fact that GuildWars just wasn't made to PvP and the PvP community is tightly knit to a certain kind of people and a certain kind of players that just want to kill time and act all big and bad because they've got so much faction and they are so high of rank and all the other PvP labels that are there.

You may like the way the GuildWars has set up the PvP program, and that's fine. I personally enjoy the PvE best, and always have, and always will. That's what the game was built to do. I take my time and enjoy the game. I don't rush through it and make it fast and boring, which is a big reason I hear why people PvP, because PvE is too boring and too easy and too easily finished. Different characters have different paths on the game and different difficulties throughout the game. Each new character is a new adventure if you follow the game line and take side trips here and there.

I know I'm starting to ramble, so I'll leave my post to this. I could go on for awhile about this and say a lot just from personal experience throughout the gaming GuildWars world on both sides of the PvE and the PvP. I like PvE, and that's that. You may like PvP, and so be it. This is something that shouldn't become a great big deal and cause so much split between the community and players.

Replicant · Aug 08, 2006, 01:56 AM // 01:56

I don't PvP because.....

....I uninstalled and it's been the wisest decision i've made when it comes to that game.

seriously, Guild wars has really been suckin since factions..

I guess theres a line between gamers that play Guild Wars... the ones that want instant-gratification and the ones that want to actually have to WORK for their characters.....

Ultra Mega · Aug 08, 2006, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by Jeslica666

A-net has publicly said that GuildWars was not built for PvP, and it's not. GuildWars PvP was just an add-on, and it is not what PvP is all about. GuildWars was built to be a PvE game....... pinpoint the fact that GuildWars just wasn't made to PvP

Do you have a link to A-net saying this?
I don't think they did because it clearly is not true. Skills/Armor/Weapons/classes are all balanced so that they work in PvP, when designing anything new, the first thing that is considered is how it will effect PvP.

I play pvp about 70% and pve 30%. I definately find PvP more of a challenge. In PvE you know what you will be facing so can build to beat it. It PvP you can only guess at what you will face and you have to adapt. When there is a human brain on the other end then anything can happen.

PvE has been fun but I wish I didn't have to play through it multiple times, it is just a method of unlocking for me. The way guild wars is at the moment PvE players can easily avoid the majority of PvP but PvP players find it a lot harder to avoid PvE because of the unlock process, it is possible to avoid but it makes the unlock process a lot slower.

Gorebrex · Aug 08, 2006, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by Myria

The top five reasons I don't PVP --
...3) I prefer a challenge. In PVP everyone's the same level, everyone has the same health, everyone has the same armor, everyone has the same skills... Boring! No challenge at all! Now go fight Rotscale. He's ten levels higher than you, has roughly 20 times your health, has essentially infinite energy, his skills do several multiples of the amount of damage yours can, your hexes only last half as long on him, and he casts twice as fast as you. Throw in all of his buddies and random poison spots and it's enough to give any sane person nightmares. I dunno about you, but in my book fighting Rotty is much more of a challenge than fighting your average wammo who's primary skill is the ability to type 'noob' quickly and often.
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Must disagree here. The challenge is in maximizing the use of those skills against your opponents, while prevent them from doing the same. The SKILL of the player makes all the differance if everything else is the same. Thats the challenge! Becoming better skilled than your opponent(s). BTW, I dont PvP, as I have absolutely no interest in it whatsoever, but this "Get better skills, gear, ect, than the other guy, and Pwn, lather, rinse, repeat", is what reduces the skill factor, and makes it more about whos got better/more powerful character skills/gear, than actual PvPing skills. I also cant wait for ANet to remove the "forced" PvP when leaving pre, and make it optional(fight mobs if not chosen), as Ive never done it, just warn people I wont be participating, and wait it out.

ricocheting · Aug 08, 2006, 03:09 AM // 03:09

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Originally Posted by Jeslica666

A-net has publicly said that GuildWars was not built for PvP, and it's not. Many people try to say that it was, and that's all that is good about the game. But everyone I have talked to that has told me that have not played other games that were PvP based. GuildWars PvP was just an add-on, and it is not what PvP is all about. GuildWars was built to be a PvE game.

LOLOL. care to provide that quote? while i don't want to turn this into one of those discussions (there are plenty of threads for that already) the entire philosophy of GW is built around "everything on equal footing" (armor/damage/only 8 skills on bar/very low max character level/weapons/etc/etc/etc) specifically for the "jump directly into pvp" users. NONE of those things being equal matter for a primary PvE built game as you suggest. and yes, i have played many other MMORPGs and yes, i have first hand experience to compare GW with.

Tarun · Aug 08, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10

To all the PvP players who still don't understand that GW was made for PvE:

Read the update notes. There was no Balthazar Faction for a while into the game after the release.

Rent · Aug 08, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

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Originally Posted by Blackest Rose

I don't play PVP because of exactly the post above me.....

I prefer teamwork and having a good time rather than saying "I'm the best and you PVE'ers are complete noobs...."

"Look at me I can do the deep with 6 people....I'm the best."

So what if I die and don't have the best uber build in the world - it doesn't make a bad player or ruin that persons experience.
Stuff like being called a newb/noob in PVP does ruin that experience so I take the easy way out and give it a complete miss.

I'd rather play co-op than competitive.

I'd really like if Anet gave some indication on what proportion of the people play PVE or PVP or both.... it would be an interesting stat I'm sure

Whoa. Jealous much?

GloryFox · Aug 08, 2006, 03:17 AM // 03:17

PvP gives new players a feeling that they will never be good enough. If you have Rank 1 its not good enough If its rank 12 its not good enough and you are call a noob because you obviously IWAY'd your way....

I gave up on PvP when Rank Emotes were introduced. A LONG time ago.

Ultra Mega · Aug 08, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19

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Originally Posted by Tarun

To all the PvP players who still don't understand that GW was made for PvE:

Read the update notes. There was no Balthazar Faction for a while into the game after the release.

That was because A-net thought everyone would want to PvE to unlock their skills for PvP, this was clearly a mistake which they fixed.

anonymous · Aug 08, 2006, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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Originally Posted by Crimson Ashwood

it's quite a knock to somebodies confidence when you rock in to PvP with your fully worked on PvE character (not having read a forum or a wiki) to get destroyed and pounded by Mr. clever build and his tactics.

Whew almost had me there. If you hadnt said what you said in the paragraph under, I might have cried that one more person thought because they did grind they should win.

Alleji · Aug 08, 2006, 05:49 AM // 05:49

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

PvP gives new players a feeling that they will never be good enough. If you have Rank 1 its not good enough If its rank 12 its not good enough and you are call a noob because you obviously IWAY'd your way....

I gave up on PvP when Rank Emotes were introduced. A LONG time ago.

If you're rank 12, you're a noob because you spirit-spammed your way there. It's impossible to get that much fame with IWAY within a human lifetime.

Get it right :P