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jaibas17 · Aug 04, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57

I AM NOT SAYING ANY CLASS SUCKS, REFER TO POST 30 BEFORE POSTING

weeks ago, anyone that wanted to get to an elite mission, had to actually be willing to complete it to enter

people had to sit waiting for a ferry sometimes
the thing was, people actually prepared to be able to to this missions

nowadays, people that want to do the missions in this weekend, simply go to an npc and make a quick group

most people atm have almost no idea what they are doing, hence they fail

examples of this

--> 55 monks
--> assasins (i have an assasin myself, but i dont bring it to the deep because his role is degen/spiker, not mass mob control
-->mesmers (same thing, they are a great class, but dont have 35+ enemy mob control), besides, pug groups dont have the confidence to bring these in their groups unless they are experienced ones
-->16 weapon mastery "tanks"
-->flare spammers
-->trappers with 10 wilderness and 16 marksmanship

please people, read everything about the elite missions first

"a guide to pugs" thread
guild wiki

inform before attempting them please

"I in no way try to underrate the classes just mentioned, but i agree there roles are different than the ones needed for this missions. why would you take an assasin that can kill 1 target in 8 secs, when u can bring to nukers to dispose a group of 20 enemies in an echo meteor shower spam?

xiaotsu · Aug 05, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

...Did you just imply that mesmers don't belong in the elite missions? Sorry if I misunderstood, but it looks that way...

lishi · Aug 05, 2006, 12:14 AM // 00:14

i always runned 16 weapon mastery tank , it always worked , and i always cleared the deep.

really all those tank with the bar filled with stances and other stuff make me laugh.

2 defencive skill are enough with decent monk i even survived without using them

and about the stupid ppl.

Guy join.

What is your skillbar

1) guy respond -> good skillbar ok proceed
2) guy respond -> sucky skillbar -> kicked
3) guy say nothing -> kicked.

yes even if he is a monk.

CHUIU · Aug 05, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by xiaotsu

...Did you just imply that mesmers don't belong in the elite missions? Sorry if I misunderstood, but it looks that way...

I'll say it! Mesmers don't belong in anything but PvP.

And this thread is pretty useless, any good group will screen out the noobs by checking their builds.

Avarre · Aug 05, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by jaibas17

--> assasins (i have an assasin myself, but i dont bring it to the deep because his role is degen/spiker, not mass mob control

Plenty of backline to spike once aggro is taken.

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-->mesmers (same thing, they are a great class, but dont have 35+ enemy mob control)

Neither does anything else that doesn't have mass aoe, your point?

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-->16 weapon mastery "tanks"

Like those warriors that tank all the FoW spiders, and kill them too?

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please people, read everything about the elite missions first

"a guide to pugs" thread

A thread that had to have the first post heavily edited and the thread mod-cleaned after it was barraged with counter opinions and accusations of overwhelming stupidity.

Reasons for failure rate are more people who have never done it before, and more random pugs.

Wessels · Aug 05, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

I had never seen any elite mission before today ( as a matter of principle I refuse to stand in a town spamming LF taxi for something which should be open to all anyway ) and completed Urgoz on first try .

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'll say it! Mesmers don't belong in anything but PvP.

oh,really?? This tells me you know very little about mesmers in PvE play ( example : do Nahpui quarters first without a mesmer and then with one : you will see a mesmer can take out celestials by the bunch by using cry of frustration and energy-surge, they deal incredible damage by just using those 2 skills ) .I can imagine a mesmer in Urgoz could wreak havoc as well ( in fact : I have no doubt about it at all ) .

Zinger314 · Aug 05, 2006, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by Avarre

A thread that had to have the first post heavily edited and the thread mod-cleaned after it was barraged with counter opinions and accusations of overwhelming stupidity.

Hey...I resent that!

I edited the that thread only to clarify more specifically why Assassins and Mesmers are not accepted into PuGs. I never changed my stance. And I shall remain by it.

You also fail to point out that the other half of that thread agreed with me.

I'm sorry, but not all Mesmers are as "leet" as you, Avarre.

xiaotsu · Aug 05, 2006, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by CHUIU

I'll say it! Mesmers don't belong in anything but PvP.

ROFL!

You're funny.

Don Zardeone · Aug 05, 2006, 01:21 AM // 01:21

I have absolutely no idea what to say.

Seriously. I could say so many things but.

Wow, just wow.

Wow

you ever played mesmer OP?

Sarevok Thordin · Aug 05, 2006, 01:23 AM // 01:23

I managed just fine with Arcane Echo and Glyph of Energy on my bar......yeah, despite most people screaming for renewal nukers.

The main problems I encountered were

Rage Quitters
55 monks (yep......)
Leeroys
people who don't listen to experienced players to organise the team (after all, it IS the ultimate co-op challange ;P)
Wammo that runs back when the monk has him healed fine as I'm nuking then goes on to me to "Do my job" when I try to fight off the kanaxi after he goes down like a rock (back turned = double dmg + heal sig = gg). I can only Gale once every 10 seconds on Kanaxai you know =/. So yeah, warriors not holding agro
People who camp drops on the other side of the gate when the others have been Rebirthed to the other side, causing the others to get angry/quit.

I had no problem taking my time and listening to someone first time around, did well, went back in and educated other new players. Wish others could too ;_;

Oh, and I can testify that ASSASSINS have NO place in the deep. Only thing that can survive up close is a warrior. Mesmers on the other hand, can do good.

Priest Of Sin · Aug 05, 2006, 02:51 AM // 02:51

are you spreading mesmer hate? Nothing intereupts kanaxi like a mesmer, you pig. You're dead to me.

Zinger314 · Aug 05, 2006, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin

are you spreading mesmer hate? Nothing intereupts kanaxi like a mesmer, you pig. You're dead to me.

You ARE joking, right?

All Elementalists and usually the SS take Inspired/Revealed Hex, which dispells Kanaxai's Enchantments. Henceforth, a Mesmer is not needed to kill Kanaxai.

Demesis · Aug 05, 2006, 03:11 AM // 03:11

Assassins are useless? What about the critical barrager? Any ranger can be replaced in a B/P team with the same amounts of critical barragers because they have the same DPS.

fiery · Aug 05, 2006, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Dude, that's why there's fast cast healers!

CHUIU · Aug 05, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19

LMFAO. I would love to watch a team running a crit barrager in the deep.

Healy Mchealer: Why are these oni all over the place?
Sin Mcbarrager: I dunno but im poisoned.

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Originally Posted by Wessels

oh,really?? This tells me you know very little about mesmers in PvE play ( example : do Nahpui quarters first without a mesmer and then with one : you will see a mesmer can take out celestials by the bunch by using cry of frustration and energy-surge, they deal incredible damage by just using those 2 skills ) .I can imagine a mesmer in Urgoz could wreak havoc as well ( in fact : I have no doubt about it at all ) .

Oh really? Well while that mesmer delt 44 + 80 damage to every celestial in that group, a nuker was dealing 100+ damage for each meteor you saw fall on their heads not including the following rodgorts and fireballs and such. I'm not denying that mesmers deal great spike damage, but the fact is that in 99% of all PvE situations there is a much better replacement for one.

For the record, I have both a mesmer and an assassin and I love playing them.

Alias_X · Aug 05, 2006, 03:23 AM // 03:23

I agree with you that there are more people who are doing the elites for the first time. I get into a group and before we go out everyone says they have done it before, then trappers trap and the rest of the team runs ahead and gets killed...

Mr_T_bot · Aug 05, 2006, 03:27 AM // 03:27

You forgot Captain Firestorm and Senor Charge-Twisted Bark-through-3-Dredge-mobs-and-half-a-dozen-Blood-Drinkers-and-15-degen.

ryanryanryan0310 · Aug 05, 2006, 03:28 AM // 03:28

Tank: why isn't he dieing, i just keep on hitting him and he won't die...
Monk: you got a knock skill right?
Tank: Nobody told me to bring knockdown skill....
Monk: /doh
Nerco: I guess room 4 is sitting....
Nerco: /dance

Avarre · Aug 05, 2006, 03:37 AM // 03:37

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Hey...I resent that!

I edited the that thread only to clarify more specifically why Assassins and Mesmers are not accepted into PuGs. I never changed my stance. And I shall remain by it.

You also fail to point out that the other half of that thread agreed with me.

I'm sorry, but not all Mesmers are as "leet" as you, Avarre.

Which is why I said it was edited on 'accusations of stupidity'. You can't deny that people accused you of that, and the first post was changed to more properly display your opinion.

just rude · Aug 05, 2006, 03:37 AM // 03:37

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Originally Posted by CHUIU

I'll say it! Mesmers don't belong in anything but PvP.

LOL then why did a random group in Boreas seabed PM me saying "Dude we need u," When I was doing the mish, again, to help a guildie. And not to mention how the AI casts thru a backfire at 144 dmg per cast, but I bet a war took credit for that.

The only profession that doesn't belong anywhere is a WHAMMO IN PVP.