Curse

beleg curudin · Aug 03, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

topic as good as closed, to much flaming.

Solar Light · Aug 03, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19

makes some sense, but it will throw the market (if we can call it that) to pointlessness, and how exactly will people get money for stuff like 15k armor? savlaging and merching junk, and wasting hours selling garbage for mediocre prices is annoying enough already, most junk is dirt cheap, anything demed valuble is jacked up high....

well, i guess i wouldnt say GW has a econemy... if it does its a poor one at that.

Ecksor · Aug 03, 2006, 03:20 AM // 03:20

this would almost be like when the people behind SWG made it so you could become a jedi at the beginning. if anet did this, alot of people would be angry, because they put alot of time into farming for their rares.

majoho · Aug 03, 2006, 03:28 AM // 03:28

The fact is that no one needs items costing 100k, the prices are fine

(personally I couldn't care less since I would never spend that kind of money on anything).

Skawtt · Aug 03, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

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Originally Posted by Ecksor

this would almost be like when the people behind SWG made it so you could become a jedi at the beginning. if anet did this, alot of people would be angry, because they put alot of time into farming for their rares.

I played SWG for over 2 years. Took me 7 months of pretty solid grinding to unlock Jedi (pre Combat Upgrade) Them making Jedi a starting proffession is moot to compared to the NGE ( New Game Enhancemets) quite possibly the worst thing a gaming company has ever done to a MMO and its subscribers.

More people were angry from SOE deleting Creature Handlers and Rangers from the game than them making Jedi a starting proffession. Downsizing 32 professions to 8 "iconic" ones and rendering most every item in the game almost useless. Not to mention the core combat changes that turned a rpg into a crappy 3rd person shooter click fest.

Soe has never ever given out the numbers of subcribers they have for SWG prior or post NGE. Im guessing they lost over 75% of players over it.

Guild Wars making it so more rare skinned items dropped wouldnt be as bad as one might think. Its just a skin doesnt make you any better as a player. Hell I would like for them to add a "skin chooser" option tab on the weapons crafters. There would still be a market for weapon mods and besides how much plat does one need?

Scavenger Rage · Aug 03, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

"how much plat does one need?"

For Fow armor as an exemple...over 1 000 000k.. i guess it wouldnt be enough +30hp upgrades to gatter all that money ^^

And another thing, ALL the players that had fought to get their nice drops till now are goin to leave the game completely...also, the weak PVE (compared to the PVP) would simply be worthless, since we can choose the skin we want, the PVP characters would simply be the more resonable choice since you DONT spend time playing, and can choose weapons you like.

In resume, this "simple" change would LITERALY KILL the PVE component of Guild Wars, it would ruin the economy, ruin the rare drops concept, ruin the game play...oooo welll, it would become a PVP ONLY game

Later.

clarianaeneas · Aug 03, 2006, 04:59 AM // 04:59

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Originally Posted by Scavenger Rage

"how much plat does one need?"

For Fow armor as an exemple...over 1 000 000k.. i guess it wouldnt be enough +30hp upgrades to gatter all that money ^^

And another thing, ALL the players that had fought to get their nice drops till now are goin to leave the game completely...also, the weak PVE (compared to the PVP) would simply be worthless, since we can choose the skin we want, the PVP characters would simply be the more resonable choice since you DONT spend time playing, and can choose weapons you like.

In resume, this "simple" change would LITERALY KILL the PVE component of Guild Wars, it would ruin the economy, ruin the rare drops concept, ruin the game play...oooo welll, it would become a PVP ONLY game

Later.

If ectos drop more often also, then FoW armor won't cost 1,000k

Petrus · Aug 03, 2006, 05:24 AM // 05:24

What?

havent you noticed that the market is flooded with perpfect items allready?
Only the uber rare skins with absolutly perfect stats go for over 100k these days. my opinion is the opposite, nerf drops and chest completly...(i want the old system back, crappier loot and keys costing much more)..
i got 5 chars full of near perfect stuff that noone wants to buy.. im gonna trash em all to merchant and then prob find me another game to play until nightfall comes out (dl d&d trial now)... i got no pve left in proph or factions, pvp i do a few hours now and then but i play game mostly for pve stuff. so im left to "treasure hunting", investing lots of hours in that... turning out to be nothing worth even if i find perfect stuff..
(like who wants a perfect/near perfect jadewand/jadebow/longbow etc etc)

Talon one · Aug 03, 2006, 10:50 AM // 10:50

another reason why some things cost 100k+ is because of bots farming 24/7 for gold. no matter how good or bad the drops are, dedicated bots can easily double the amount of ingame currency in circulation. and the gold will be in the hands of the noobs who bought it on ebay and who will buy anything which advertised with 'no noob offers'

if there were no ebayers, no one would buy overpriced items and prices would go down to a reasonable level. but i think that as long as there are people willing to pay real money for ingame items, its not going to go away completely.

if there was an auction house, the ebayers would buy the top 10 overpriced items daily, but supply might soon be higher than than the number of ebayers and sensible players would drive the prices down.

Yanman.be · Aug 03, 2006, 11:08 AM // 11:08

"game is based on skill not time played." ...That is still correct: It takes skill to convince my mommy to buy me gold!

Numa Pompilius · Aug 03, 2006, 11:32 AM // 11:32

Petrus is right, the OP is wrong.
If there was a shortage of items, we'd see inflation, with items becoming more and more expensive. Having played from the start I can tell you that there was a time when even half-decent purple items could be sold for 2K, and any max armor shield at all with strength req was worth at least 1K.

What we're actually seeing in-game is DEflation, with prices constantly dropping. Totem axe is now worth...? When it was introduced it was worth...? How about the IDS? Yakslapper? Kepkhets Refuge?

Prices drop because supply is greater than demand, the OPPOSITE of what the OP thinks is happening.

Shadow-Hunter · Aug 03, 2006, 11:34 AM // 11:34

Well its fine with me that there is Expencive weapons and armor.. If you could get the swords with the nicest skin + FoW armor in no time where would the fun be? every1 would have it..

This way, ppl dont have to play for ages to get the best armor, becouse Droks can basicly be afforted with what you make though the game..

While ppl who is willing to use more time on their chars can get more expencive armor + weapons, while its still the same in combat.. Meaning you dont get anything for the extra time spend, other than maybe nicer look..

Also, Skill does still decide victory.. Fow armor + Gold 15^50 7 Req Crystalline Sword Does not mean Auto win, you can still lose to the idiot with a collectors Long Sword and Collectors armor that was Cheap Ass..

~Shadow

The Herbalizer · Aug 03, 2006, 11:52 AM // 11:52

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a dumb post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are already perfect items if you dont want to farm i.e. collectors and greens. Then there are the shitty perfect golds like 15>50 gladius which sell for like 5k. You can still make 10k an hour farming. The only weapons which cost 100k + are rare skinned collectors items. Not every perfect item costs 100k + You can get many rubbish skinned perfs for 5-20k

If you have finished questing in pve and dont like pvp some people start collections or try and get fow armor. If you destroy the value of items and ecto then I guarantee thousands if not tens of thousands of people will quit.

There is no need to alter the drop rate or make golds drop more often when you can already pick up perfect items rediculously cheap. I guess you didnt play when you could but a Req 13 Sparth 14>50 with +30Hp for 300k. Now is the cheapest items have ever been. You can buy a fellblade for 75k which one time cost 1 million.

Relying on farming to get you golds is pretty dumb especially at say elona as the items there are non max most of the time and at drok they are staffs which are hard to get perfect and arnt worth much anyway.

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no longer could you offer to sell it for 60k if its worth 5k, now it becomes a reasonable price.

Like I said before you CAN pick up perfect items for 5k. I can buy perfect offhands and wands for a couple of k. I can get 10/10 staffs for 10k. Shields are at their cheapest. You can buy perfect albeit crap skinned undesirable bows for 5k and same with swords. Looks like anet have already ruined the economy and the value of items so your idea is useless

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Anyway even if they did do your idea it wont work. There are hundreds of people with millions and millions of gold saved up. If they want nice items they can go into bidding wars over them and drive the prices back up.

GG not doing your research.

Xenrath · Aug 03, 2006, 11:55 AM // 11:55

The economy is fundamentally flawed anyway, since players effectively mint their own gold, rather than having financial institutions/governments controlling the production of money.

As already mentioned, most items you can now get from collectors/weapons crafters at perfect/near perfect stats for a tiny fraction of 100k. Same for armour. Beyond that all people pay for is vanity/ego.

If you're playing for PvP you can make perfect stat stuff from the start (assuming you've a slot for it of course)

As far as bots/farming goes, the decrease in drops over time isn't really a big deal as they can run 24 hours a day and more "advanced" bot/farming operations will replace the current farmer with a different one every few runs or shift them elsewhere, as a means to reduce the impact of repeat farming per character. Even if they don't they just run all day and still get something out of it.

The basic flaw in your proposition is there will always be something that's "so much more l33t!" than everything else. If you increase the number of perfect gold weapons, you'll effectively reduce their desirability and worth because they'll no longer be rare and will in fact be common. Something else will thus become rare and desired, and people will continue to pay huge sums (or ebay it) for that, simply down to their own ego and vanity.

In short, it's not going to go away any time soon because
1) the economy is flawed by default
2) there will always be something which is perceived to be worth more than others

Numa Pompilius · Aug 03, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

The economy is fundamentally flawed anyway, since players effectively mint their own gold, rather than having financial institutions/governments controlling the production of money.

The "government", ie ANet, controls the amount of money by controlling the _destruction_ of money through money sinks. They seem to be doing reasonably well, there is no real signs of inflation in GW - prices are stable or even dropping somewhat.

The lack of item sinks means there is rampant mudflation, though - items constantly lose value because rare items drop but are never destroyed, meaning they become more and more common over time.

Jetdoc · Aug 03, 2006, 02:03 PM // 14:03

Unfortunately, increasing drop rates would eliminate one of the biggest gold sinks in the game - chests.

Yes, gold items would become more common, but at the same time the amount of gold "trapped" in the economy will rise. More gold trapped = inflation.

So, this would effectively cancel each other out, as more and more people begin selling gold items but more and more people accumulate wealth that they can only spend (after buying armor) on gold items.

In other words, the supply of golds would increase, but so would the amount of money people would have to spend on those golds. To me, the OP's proposal would wind up canceling each other out, and items would wind up costing just about the same. This, however, would increase dramatically the amount of gold in the economy, which would make things like armor and skills much easier to obtain, as the temptation to buy other items would likely diminish.

Deacon Roswell · Aug 03, 2006, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by beleg curudin

Guild wars was once stated: no longer needing to grind, game is based on skill not time played.

This always has been, and always will be 100% TRUE. You do not need to grind in Guild Wars. The best armor in the game only costs 1.5k per piece and perfect weapons can be obtained for next to nothing from collectors or crafted from merchants for 5k (Factions). Fissure armor/15k armor and rare skinned weapons are not needed to play Guild Wars.

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Originally Posted by Talon one

if there were no ebayers, no one would buy overpriced items and prices would go down to a reasonable level.

This is 100% false. I don't even know where to begin on this one. This is one of the worst comments I have ever seen on this board. Just because you aren't skilled enough to make lots of money in game doesn't mean everyone else is buying gold on ebay to buy stuff. Runners make huge amounts of money in Guild Wars. There's no need to buy gold off ebay when there's so many ways of becoming wealthy....and that's without farming for endless hours. Just playing the game since it's release and selling all your drops to the merchant would amount to a decent chunk of change.
STOP crying "ebay" because you're lazy and lack skill and got outbid on an item.

Demesis · Aug 03, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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Originally Posted by Deacon Roswell

Just because you aren't skilled enough to make lots of money in game doesn't mean everyone else is buying gold on ebay to buy stuff. Runners make huge amounts of money in Guild Wars. There's no need to buy gold off ebay when there's so many ways of becoming wealthy....and that's without farming for endless hours. Just playing the game since it's release and selling all your drops to the merchant would amount to a decent chunk of change.
STOP crying "ebay" because you're lazy and lack skill and got outbid on an item.

Can you teach me how to make money? I tried really, really hard to figure out how to earn money. I've busted 100k making a 55 monk. I've run hundreds of chests runs, I buy low and sell high, I do plenty of 2 man UW and I still come out with a net worth of 33k in storage. Is there something I'm doing wrong or am I just really unlucky for the past 13 months of playing Guild Wars?

Jetdoc · Aug 03, 2006, 02:43 PM // 14:43

If you've "busted" 100K...then you have had plenty of money.

The problem is that you're spending it on SOMETHING...probably armor, a very nice weapon, etc...if you wait to purchase those items until you find someone selling something for a good value (i.e. crafting materials for your armor, dumping an idea weapon upgrade, etc.), you'll see your wealth increase.

Deacon Roswell · Aug 03, 2006, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Originally Posted by Demesis

Can you teach me how to make money? I tried really, really hard to figure out how to earn money. I've busted 100k making a 55 monk. I've run hundreds of chests runs, I buy low and sell high, I do plenty of 2 man UW and I still come out with a net worth of 33k in storage. Is there something I'm doing wrong or am I just really unlucky for the past 13 months of playing Guild Wars?

If you've been playing for 13 months and and farm with a 55 monk AND do 2 man UW runs but only have 33k......then yes....you are doing something wrong.
If you do "plenty" of 2 man UW you would have more than 33k in just ecto unless you're spending is way higher than your income.