Curse

Dakna DiHarr · Aug 10, 2006, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by Doomslay

I got to thinking about Fissure of Woe Armor (FOW), and about how it really means little or nothing anymore. Let's face it anyone with enough money can go on eBay and buy the materials needed, or spend a huge amount of time in the Fissure of Woe killing enough beasties To Make Fissure of Woe Armor. The second option which is the Road less traveled does not necessarily indicate that the wearer of the Armor is any more skilled than to say the average player, rather, it indicates that that person has spent an inordinate amount of time playing in the Fissure of Woe

My point is then how do you really make a set of armor that is recognized globally as being elite.

The solution is actually rather simple, instead of requiring that a person make multiple trip's to a certain location to gather materials from slightly enhanced Denison's, have the quest involve a series of harder and harder missions till a final climactic confrontation with some type of uber powerful creature. To obtain the armor this mission would only have to be done once for each character that wished to gain the armor and each person in the group would get the armor.

The main advantages to this idea are twofold :

1. You would eliminate the selling out materials to make said armor, because in order to reach the Armory where you can get to the armor you would have to complete all of the quest,(No Noobs in elite armor)

2. Elite armor would actually mean something!!!

Please let me know what you think, I for 1 am tired of seeing Noobs wearing FOW armor. It's too late to do anything about that but we can certainly prevent the next elite set of armor from being abused the way that FOW armor has been.

This is were anet can learn soemthing from Runescape.

On runescape there is this so aclled God fire cape. it cannor be bought and is very very hard to earn. 1-126 lvls n ruenscape. tog et it u need ruffly lvl 103 or higher to beablet o earn it. it is a very difficult project to earn it aswell. this is soemthing ahrdly any players ahve and is a true simble of respect. this is something needed in gw. like the black widow it use to mean soemthing but is now nothing. same as fissure.

|pyro| · Aug 10, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

This post made Fissure armor worth almost nothing.

Clone · Aug 10, 2006, 03:14 PM // 15:14

From my point of view, they've already moved toward this style.

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have the quest involve a series of harder and harder missions

Factions

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till a final climactic confrontation with some type of uber powerful creature

Shiro

Amulet of the mists for your free item and you can buy armor there that you can't get elsewhere. Personally, I don't think that armor looks very good, but it is a similar series of events as what you've suggested, and a model I hope they keep. I wouldn't mind similar rewards for things like the Titan's Quests or other upper level missions that you have to wait for an hour to find a group for. Giving some sort of bonus area to spark people's interest seems to work.

Dakna DiHarr · Aug 10, 2006, 03:15 PM // 15:15

thats 2 easy.far toe asy and thats why endgame weapons are some of the cheapest.

Venice Queen · Aug 10, 2006, 03:20 PM // 15:20

FoW armor is a joke now.

gabrial heart · Aug 10, 2006, 03:26 PM // 15:26

I agree in the sense that the leet missions/areas probably should have some sort of reward. I also agree they need to come up some uber leet set of mission/quests that have some variation each trip, to avoid the *typical build* to complete. I still also feel that there should be some uber leet weapons and armors floating around as well. A decent place to start to put this sort of reward would be afer completing the "kind of big deal" title. Regardless, i think it's good that a-net is trying to keep up with the rewards system in a balanced way, although pure a balanced game would be as boring as stairing at a wall. There's no winners or losers in balanced.

Honestly though many people can play GW for days on end and not even know a darn things about how even half their skills work. This is really why people in HA, TA, etc. get pissed about the cookie cutter spike builds. "press this button on 3" just isn't skill beyond what a monkey can do. This is one of the main reasons I enjoy PVE more, each area has something a little different and sometimes different enough to justify a build to be entirely reworked. It's also why i think AB's are so popular with the pve crowds.

Cirian · Aug 10, 2006, 03:33 PM // 15:33

I think the 15k Canthan/Exotic/Imperial armour at the end of the factions storyline is the nearest thing to what the OP is talking about.

Divinus Stella · Aug 10, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

Anything added that is "elite" will be farmed, there isnt anything in the game that cant be purchassed off ebay, or purchassed via ebay gold, but if you add something that cant be sold on ebay, people will just pay other people ebay gold for getting it for them. I think rank was supposed to be something that cant be abused, but i see people paying 5k per fame all over the place.

As Avarre said, people notice you as a player for being skilled, rather than the armor your wearing.

Big_Iron · Aug 10, 2006, 03:42 PM // 15:42

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Originally Posted by Venice Queen

FoW armor is a joke now.

Eh, that's a little strong. There are people that earned it. But I've give you that it doesn't have the status it used to.

jciardha · Aug 10, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Interesting ideas, although I think most FOW armor just isn't worth it, personally. But it's not my business how someone wants to spend their gold.

How about placing an armor merchant at the end of places like the Deep or Urgoz's Warren, I wonder?

eternal pho · Aug 10, 2006, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by Herzeleid359

I agree with Avarre, if you have droks armor on and you beat a guy with FoW armor on, i feel that you actually shown as more elite than if you have FoW and beat a guy with FoW, plus in alliance battles you could say in public chat how you owned a dude with FoW gear with your Droks stuff, armor isnt status, skills are status!

Ok, I agree with you 100% that skill=status, but if a guy with 1.5k armor beats another guy with fow armor, that really doesn't mean anything since FoW armor doesn't give you any advantage in a battle.

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Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet

Eh, that's a little strong. There are people that earned it. But I've give you that it doesn't have the status it used to.

And I also agree with you woody. I'm tired of players calling fow wearers Ebayers. I know that some players may have E-bayed, but I'm sure that most fow wearers have actually worked hard for it and not resorting to E-baying, I mean, there're actually plenty of millionaires in guild wars.

Yanman.be · Aug 10, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by Theus

Go and get the "Kind of a Big Deal" title.

That ,in my opinion, is far better accomplishment than some shitty looking armor.

Still, there are too many titles that you can simply buy. Chests, ID golds, Drunk...and lucky/unlucky.

bobrath · Aug 10, 2006, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Seems to me that the OP wants armor to suddenly become something besides an accessory, he wants armor to be equivalent to a title. "Look at my leet look, I must be godly." "Respect Mah Authoritah!".

His concept of a very difficult boss at the end of a series of increasingly difficult trials seems very close to WoW and their top level armors. You can't get the top armor (and be seen wearing it) without spending a ton of time and man hours to get there.

Someday, an Anet developer will come up with an area/quest that can only ever be completed by a full 8 person team AND will stand the test of time as folks try to make it with one less person. When that happens, (I'll be amazed), then you'll truly have a quest reward that shows a massive challenge was overcome. Do I need a spiffy set of kneepads to show that I can do it? Not really. The only upside to an armor reward is that its not marketable. You can sell Shiro's amulet, you can't sell armor.

While the idea of a Tyrian Shoulders and then a Canthan Shin Guard and then a Elonian Wrist Wrap does sound appealing, I don't think it will ever lead to me looking at someone in game and going "oh gosh they're awesome" as much as seeing a name I recognize and respect.

Demesis · Aug 10, 2006, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by bobrath

Someday, an Anet developer will come up with an area/quest that can only ever be completed by a full 8 person team AND will stand the test of time as folks try to make it with one less person.

That's easy, make it like the Deep where 6 ppl have to stand on those platforms to open a gate. Except this time you have 11 ppl staning on each platform while only 1 gets through the gate to pull a lever to leave the gate permanently open

**cosyfiep** · Aug 10, 2006, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Armor doesnt show your 'eliteness' .....doesnt matter what kind it is, with the new cantha armors that have all the stats (plus a few new ones) you can have just about any armor now------its all about looks now, not elite-ism.

You need something else to show that.....OP if you dont like the titles, come up with one that you think will show off this 'elite-ism' you need to show to the noobs.....like 15million exp or 10,000,000 quests completed.....armor wont do it.
However, someone has already mentioned that no matter what you come up with someone else will find away around it (ahem, hackers do it everyday)...

Sorry no suggestions for the armor.....try showing off something else then.

(personally I think fow armor is butt ugly so I never even tried to get it....only 1 of my characters even likes 1 piece of it and she is a mesmer with about a 5% of getting into a group to armor run, I have better things in game to do with my time than that)

SpeedyKQ · Aug 10, 2006, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Is it really so wrong for people to want something to strive for and then take a little pride in showing it off?

Molte · Aug 10, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by SpeedyKQ

Is it really so wrong for people to want something to strive for and then take a little pride in showing it off?

No, by all means play as you like.
But complaining about that the same item should mean something ..when it actually doesnt. Thats where it became ridicules.

Riken Chrono · Aug 11, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45

Do you think about others? Think how hard it would be for Anet to re create FoW. What would Ectos and Shards be useful for then?!? Having that armor would not be a ultimate status symbol. I am sure by all means this is a rant and you dont have enough money to buy FoW armor but you want it. Go ahead and ban me but im serious people these days( Not meaning kids because i would be considered one myself) are complaning way too much and taking this game too seriously. Are people going to know you in real life for something you did in a game? Of course not. So i think a mod should close this thread.

Ultimate Status Symbol= Playing with me, which would be a one in a life time chance.

Venice Queen · Aug 11, 2006, 02:07 AM // 02:07

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Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet

Eh, that's a little strong. There are people that earned it. But I've give you that it doesn't have the status it used to.

I know people have fairly earned their armor, I remember back in the day when friends would spend countless trips in UW collecting ectos for their sets but; It's sad to know that the majority of people who have piles of gold and FoW armor spent rl money to get it.

eggs0wn · Aug 11, 2006, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Ok, since when has armor shown how "elite" you are? Why does it matter? It isn't like 15k or 1.5k armor makes a difference. Some people just play and armor doesn't really matter. Some people just want their character to look good/cool so they buy what armor they personaly like it could be 1.5k armor or 15k armor. Then there is the people that want to be the best, Oh let's go make "1337 armor" and make it really hard to get so n00bs can't get it. I'm so 1337 because I have special armor. Well right there you turn into a noob yourself. If you are upset because you want to be the 1337est armor and see someone that you think is a n00b that has it and get upset quit GW.

Ahh I could ramble for hours. I'm sorry you are so upset that some people that aren't as good as you have what you consider '1337" armor.