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Opeth11 · Aug 09, 2006, 04:46 AM // 04:46

Really now? Usually those comments in town for donations are followed by "lol scammer"; "HAY HE WANTS UR MONIES".

Or they just havn't played the game. If they did play the game properly, they should be fine. And I mean properly.

Edge Martinez · Aug 09, 2006, 04:51 AM // 04:51

Matix, I'm responding to your first post. There is a surefire way for newcomers to make money for their armor. Anyone can get a full set after Minister Cho's estate with what they've made. When you get to Seitung, all you really need is a chest piece and leggings from there to get you through to Marketplace (if you hench it like I did). Once at marketplace, you grab henchies and run to Kaineng Center.

By this time, if you are new, you are hurting for cash. If your guild can't help you with money and materials, you can still help yourself through your guild. Go do some Alliance Battles. After earning about 15k faction and cashing them in for amber or jade (which u then sell) as you go, you will have more than enough for materials and crafting cost for 4, if not all 5, pieces of your max armor.

Alliance battles are quicker than farming, (now at any rate), and any new character can use a free slot for a level 20 PvP toon. And amber is worthless. It's not like ecto where you hesitate because it might be worth more in a week. You can get amber easy through AB's. From experience, 90 amber is more than enough to get you decked out in 15k Tyrian armor, with room left over to experiment with colors. And it's easy to get.

EDIT: Bah... I'll leave it up for the farming technique, but I forgot a new player CAN'T trade in amber until he gets to HzH. My bad.

EDIT AGAIN: But... once at Marketplace, you can go do the Tyrian missions if you have Prophecies until you have enough cash. Your armor is perfect for there, as is your level, and you don't have to deal with mobs of afflicted.

lg5000 · Aug 09, 2006, 04:57 AM // 04:57

Opeth, I haven't been in droks in a while, but we used to laugh at the lvl 4 beggign for money for armor.

Yup, playing the game through properly and not spending money on dye/runes early in the game means you have enough money for 1.5k armor, and quite frankly, 1.5k armor looks a lot better than some of the 15k armors. My necro still walks around in collectors cause its the best looking armor for her.

Opeth11 · Aug 09, 2006, 04:57 AM // 04:57

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Originally Posted by Edge Martinez

Matix, I'm responding to your first post. There is a surefire way for newcomers to make money for their armor. Anyone can get a full set after Minister Cho's estate with what they've made. When you get to Seitung, all you really need is a chest piece and leggings from there to get you through to Marketplace (if you hench it like I did). Once at marketplace, you grab henchies and run to Kaineng Center.

By this time, if you are new, you are hurting for cash. If your guild can't help you with money and materials, you can still help yourself through your guild. Go do some Alliance Battles. After earning about 15k faction and cashing them in for amber or jade (which u then sell) as you go, you will have more than enough for materials and crafting cost for 4, if not all 5, pieces of your max armor.

Alliance battles are quicker than farming, (now at any rate), and any new character can use a free slot for a level 20 PvP toon. And amber is worthless. It's not like ecto where you hesitate because it might be worth more in a week. You can get amber easy through AB's. From experience, 90 amber is more than enough to get you decked out in 15k Tyrian armor, with room left over to experiment with colors. And it's easy to get.

Let's see..alliance battles math now!

Assuming that you are fighting for Kurzicks.
You earn 750 a run on average, including wins and losses.
15 minutes a battle. -approx. ranges on luck on team spawns.
4 battles in an hour. -approx. ranges on luck on team spawns.
750 x 4 = 3000 faction an hour
3 hours and 20 minutes = 10 000 faction.
Amber = 900 gold on average.
10 000/1000 = 10 Amber.
10 x 900 = 9 000.

Now, these are the numbers that I have come up with through my own personal experiences in Alliance Battles, and they may not be the same as others. If the trend follows for most players, then 3.3 hours of play for 9k is not much at all. At least the fun factor in Alliance battles it's fun as hell.

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Originally Posted by lg5000

Yup, playing the game through properly and not spending money on dye/runes early in the game means you have enough money for 1.5k armor, and quite frankly, 1.5k armor looks a lot better than some of the 15k armors.

So true. My warrior had her 1.5k Gladiators dyed black, only to find that it doesn't dye that well =_=

It still looks great, and I love it a lot more than what the 15k armors for warriors look like.

Matix411 · Aug 09, 2006, 05:19 AM // 05:19

Haha ... yes, that is all well and good.
But the bigger problem I have, is a slow computer, which usually causes me to lag like no tomorrow during PvP or GvG matches. As such I've never taken the time to try, and if I do, my team usually loses ... haha.
So, yes, people say "well buy a new computer."
Real money's a bigger issue in that regard, seeing as I'm paying for tuition etc. etc. my life story.
Once I get a new computer it will be glorious, however, until then ... I've got to try other farming builds. I'm trying Ettins right now, it's ... odd.
I've found one superior inspiration rune???
Trading in faction for amber does sound nice, but again, computer issues hinder proper PvP play for me. I can try, but it's so hard to learn when you can barely tell what's going on due to the abundance of freezing going on.

HUWAgghhll ..

Avarre · Aug 09, 2006, 05:26 AM // 05:26

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Originally Posted by Matix411

Exactly.
So people who have the ability to get to such places as FoW can start learning how to farm them. Thus money gain becomes easier, but, what I'm saying is for someone who just starts, if they come up with money for better defenses, how are they supposed to progress to the point where they CAN farm for large amounts of money?

I got 1.5k the second I got to droknar from Dragon Lair, after Ascending. First time through the game, no running about, never been to FoW or UW. I had plenty to spare even after that, because I did all the quests, explored with hench, wandered about getting drops, etc. And why are you talking as if you can't get to FoW? If there is something blocking you, it's not the game's problem, because everyone else can.

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So I think that if better (not the best) armor was available for lesser costs (than what they already are -- or as someone suggested, dropping the materials altogether) in the beginning the game, newer people (or even people who have been around for a while, and still can't get the hang of things) could progress more easily.

Collector. Collector. Then standard 1.5k, which is not hard to get at all.

Matix411 · Aug 09, 2006, 05:33 AM // 05:33

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Originally Posted by Avarre

And why are you talking as if you can't get to FoW? If there is something blocking you, it's not the game's problem, because everyone else can.

Well, you can't just walk into FoW from Ascalon City.
You have to be in a town in The Wilds (don't remember the name, too much Factions, forgot about Prophecies), right? Unless I'm wrong.
If not, then if someone can't get to that town for some unknown reason, they therefore cannot farm FoW?

M1h4iL · Aug 09, 2006, 05:33 AM // 05:33

Didn't really rad much here but, from what I gather is that your saying that GW economy is unfair, well guess what, real life economy isn't any better with inflation and high interest rates, where only rich can afford a Porshe or a Rolex, its just the way of life, and if you want it better you have to work for it, in real life its education and hard work in game its farming and grinding.

Matix411 · Aug 09, 2006, 05:41 AM // 05:41

Yeah yeah.
As much as you're right, I like to think that video games -- much the same as books -- are something to take us away from that reality.
But no, you're right.
It's just irritating wanting money and not having it, and having a hard time getting it. Which is also true to real life.
But yeah.
A rant is also a rant, I was aggrivated at the time and went a little overboard so, a lot of the points people have made against me are respectable in that sense.
Regardless though, it would be nice to have a lot of money in GW for once haha.

Opeth11 · Aug 09, 2006, 05:42 AM // 05:42

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Collector. Collector. Then standard 1.5k, which is not hard to get at all.

Ah! I can't believe I forgot about collectors! Why pay 15k for your whole armor set when you can simply pay about 2.5k to purchase the items needed to get them. Or better yet, explore for the collector bits!

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Originally Posted by Matix411

Well, you can't just walk into FoW from Ascalon City.
You have to be in a town in The Wilds (don't remember the name, too much Factions, forgot about Prophecies), right? Unless I'm wrong.
If not, then if someone can't get to that town for some unknown reason, they therefore cannot farm FoW?

It's in Kryta, and it's a 10 minute run at the most for a run. 30 minutes or so if you fight there to the Temple of Ages. If they wished to get to that city, then it shouldn't be too hard. There's nothing stopping them, unless you think that a level 18 or so Necrid Horseman can destroy you. If that happens, then you shouldn't be going to the Fissure of Woe in the first place.

Riplox · Aug 09, 2006, 05:47 AM // 05:47

Well, I totally agree with you on the difficulty of getting funds when first starting on the Noob Island. If I didn't have money from my Prophecies account, I would have probbly gone through a few characters just on that island to get one up and going.

And for farming, you dont even have to spend a whole hour on it. 30 min of farming minotaurs (to get horns) and you can get a few plat. Just take the horns and give em to the trader outside Augry and salvage the armor he gives you. Sell that to the material trader or to people and, boom, a few more plat in the bank. Rinse and repeat as much as you want or go do other stuff.

A little off topic: My personal record for a complete run from pressing "Start Mission" to coming back into town on a mino run is 2min 15sec with my war. I'll tell you the build I use if you want (only Matix411).

Also, whenver you're in the market for a new comp, please pm me. I'll help you build one and get a good price. I can make a rig that as good as any of the Dell XPS models for about half the price.

lg5000 · Aug 09, 2006, 05:50 AM // 05:50

Only reason you can't get to FoW or UW is if you're not ascended or closer to the starts.. Admitedly, in prophecies, you get to temple of ages (if you bother with the quests) before you ascend.

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Originally Posted by Riplox

A little off topic: My personal record for a complete run from pressing "Start Mission" to coming back into town on a mino run is 2min 15sec with my war. I'll tell you the build I use if you want (only Matix411).

My mes does it in 1:45 mins

Matix411 · Aug 09, 2006, 05:50 AM // 05:50

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Originally Posted by Opeth11

There's nothing stopping them, unless you think that a level 18 or so Necrid Horseman can destroy you. If that happens, then you shouldn't be going to the Fissure of Woe in the first place.

LOL. True ...

Matix411 · Aug 09, 2006, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by Riplox

A little off topic: My personal record for a complete run from pressing "Start Mission" to coming back into town on a mino run is 2min 15sec with my war. I'll tell you the build I use if you want (only Matix411).

Also, whenver you're in the market for a new comp, please pm me. I'll help you build one and get a good price. I can make a rig that as good as any of the Dell XPS models for about half the price.

hahaha
The build sounds great, and in regards to the computer, a friend said the same thing to me a few days ago haha, but if the chance arises I may just do that. I'd rather a custom PC anyway.

PS. I hate Dell.

Opeth11 · Aug 09, 2006, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by Riplox

A little off topic: My personal record for a complete run from pressing "Start Mission" to coming back into town on a mino run is 2min 15sec with my war. I'll tell you the build I use if you want (only Matix411).

Only Matix411? Fine, I'll just go to the farming section of this forum to find a build just as fast of even faster. Oh boy, my SS/55 Monk!

sindex · Aug 09, 2006, 06:05 AM // 06:05

Okay consider this, I still have my new Warrior and Necro’ characters almost completely through with factions (2 more missions and a few more quests); and yet I still have the original armor from the beginning. All you have to do is measure your greed, look at things that run at high prices and sell them to the highest bidder. It’s all about supply and demand if you think about it. I know, for a fact that I will never buy into some thing that’s way over price like the obsidian armor. Your right it’s ridiculous how much time and effort you have to spend to getting there. However think of this when Nightfall comes out, analyze how much the cost will be for the brand new armor, and the new materials that go into it. Whatever you do don’t use the materials, sell them first and make tons of money. Then when the prices hit rock bottom spend away, but be wise how you do it.

Some people have alternative methods of getting money like the 55 monk-ing of the underworld. Farming in certain places (I really want to call it fishing not farming) that have some really great locations. Furthermore there are those runners who step up to certain location for a price. Due up research on other alternatives to getting gold, it’s actually quite simple and easy at times.

Opeth11 · Aug 09, 2006, 06:16 AM // 06:16

Fissure of Woe armor is not over priced. It is a status thing in the game and you'd better damn well show you can get money if you wear it.

What's next, you calling a big-ass mansion overpriced because you can't buy it?

imyouridol · Aug 09, 2006, 06:29 AM // 06:29

Only gonna comment on one part.. the gold issue. Ive only had the game about a month and a half. And I easily have earned over 800k. I dont even play tons. In my first 2 weeks, I had over 300k. All I do is buy items, ie: vics axe, totem axe, -50 cesta.. for cheaper than they want. and resell. Earlier today, in about hour to an hour and a half, I made 150k. Lucky on that one, but i usually make around 50k-75k a day if I try. I dont play all day eithor, around 2 hours or so.... just puttin my little say in

Opeth11 · Aug 09, 2006, 06:32 AM // 06:32

And there you have it, a power trader.

Congratulations, imyouridol.

=HT=Ingram · Aug 09, 2006, 07:51 AM // 07:51

But what I don't understand is there are free and cheap solutions that work fine as max armors. the other armors are what could be called vanity armors... So they are optional.

You can get max collector armor in cantha or the desert of prophecies if you wish... Its maxed out armor and works great. and costs NOTHING...

The Armor in Kaineng is max armor and relatively cheap ... Much like droks armor really... Has some veriaty in stats and buffs between the 3 skins available as well. I think I equipped a guy recently that needed some help out of monastery for in the neighborhood of 12k full set... and most of that was for steel... so ... IDK. I see your point. but there are other options to 15k armors.. Those are still 100% optional as far as anyone is concerned... If you got gold to waste, great.. knock yourself out... But if not... Use the other solutions available to you till you can afford it. That's all I'm saying...