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Pkest · Aug 15, 2006, 02:50 AM // 02:50

Now I am confused. If all skill based damage is armor ignoring then what about the other thread here that says that the armor penetration from the Strength attribute only applies to skills? Does that mean that strength is only affecting the base weapon dmg when a skill is used even though the skill bonus dmg is armor ignoring? Didn't ANET bother to read this thing before they posted it and directed people to it from the main page?

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 15, 2006, 03:53 AM // 03:53

Hopefully I can clarify the Judge's Insight thing.

First off, the guy who wrote the article is wrong. Judge's Insight (which according to the description deals "holy" damage) does a unique damage type. It doubles damage against undead (like holy damage) but does not actually ignore armor completely.

My main question about this: Why the hell can't ArenaNet get someone who actually knows what they're talking about to write the damn articles(OR release said articles while they are still correct, if that's the case)? This one was 80% obvious stuff and 20% incorrect.

Sereng Amaranth · Aug 15, 2006, 04:30 AM // 04:30

Some daggers slash instead of stab.

I'd say for someone that doesn't own the game, there is some decent info, albeit mostly wrong. More info such as percentages, etc., and CORRECT information would make this much better.

Caelus The Fallen · Aug 15, 2006, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by Pkest

Now I am confused. If all skill based damage is armor ignoring then what about the other thread here that says that the armor penetration from the Strength attribute only applies to skills? Does that mean that strength is only affecting the base weapon dmg when a skill is used even though the skill bonus dmg is armor ignoring? Didn't ANET bother to read this thing before they posted it and directed people to it from the main page?

+xx damage from attack skill is armour ignoring, and yup, strength only affects your base weapon damage, and only when that weapon hits using an attack skill. This is why Strength is such a poor Primary Attribute.
On a side note, this is also part of the reason why Sundering is really bad - the armour penetration of the Sundering mod also only applies to your base damage, and not the total damage.

A sword hits for ([15~22]*armour) + skill damage; so, in short, strength is pretty shoddy.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 15, 2006, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Caelus The Fallen

+xx damage from attack skill is armour ignoring, and yup, strength only affects your base weapon damage, and only when that weapon hits using an attack skill. This is why Strength is such a poor Primary Attribute.
On a side note, this is also part of the reason why Sundering is really bad - the armour penetration of the Sundering mod also only applies to your base damage, and not the total damage.

A sword hits for ([15~22]*armour) + skill damage; so, in short, strength is pretty shoddy.

That doesn't make strength bad. How many Warrior builds can you think of that deal damage through regular attacks?

eternal pho · Aug 15, 2006, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by Pkest

Now I am confused. If all skill based damage is armor ignoring then what about the other thread here that says that the armor penetration from the Strength attribute only applies to skills? Does that mean that strength is only affecting the base weapon dmg when a skill is used even though the skill bonus dmg is armor ignoring? Didn't ANET bother to read this thing before they posted it and directed people to it from the main page?

Uhh, I'm kinda confused with your question.

QuixotesGhost · Aug 15, 2006, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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So, shields don't protect attacks from behind ? Here we go again...

As far as I'm aware they don't. State of the Game is correct here.

Rahl · Aug 15, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43

Shields are universal, was proven a while back.

And from what I can tell, Anet didn't have any news so they just cut-and-pasted a months old article up there -_-

GG.

Really GG.

Skyy High · Aug 15, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Doomlord_Slayermann

That doesn't make strength bad. How many Warrior builds can you think of that deal damage through regular attacks?

Yes, it does. You put 10 points in strength, means a 60 armor target will have 54 armor instead. I don't much feel like going through the math, but that's about a 5 damage increase with a sword.

striderkaaru · Aug 15, 2006, 03:50 PM // 15:50

the best part about this article is that anet released it more than a full year after the release of their first game. because you know, information like this wouldn't have been helpful to new players starting back then. not only is it a full year late, it also contains wrong/outdated information.

come on, anet. get your act together.
this is your official website and official articles.

in my opinion, delete that article and replace it with ensign's:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 15, 2006, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Yes, it does. You put 10 points in strength, means a 60 armor target will have 54 armor instead. I don't much feel like going through the math, but that's about a 5 damage increase with a sword.

Do me a favor and go through the math BEFORE you come to a numeric conclusion.

In a Warrior-based adrenaline spike, you optimize your damage in any way you can. Strength gives a little extra. OoV or OoP gives a little extra. A Vampiric mod gives you a little extra. No, Strength will not give you the most amazing damage increase ever, especially against already low-armored targets. That does not make it bad.

Strength also governs a number of key Warrior skills (such as Endure Pain) and gives you access to Sentinel's armor.

Carinae · Aug 15, 2006, 04:09 PM // 16:09

Lets see...damage types:

Holy - x2 vs undead, ignores armor, skill based
Light - x2 vs undead, does NOT ignore armor, wand based

Life Stealing - ignores armor, technically not damage at all
Shadow - ignores armor, skill based
Dark - does NOT ignore armor, wand based

Chaos (skill) - ignores armor, skill based
Chaos (wand) - does NOT ignore armor, wand based

Physical - ??? (i have no idea what physical damage is armor ignoring and what isn't)

Elemental - Never ignores armor, expecpt for a few skills that specifically state that they ignore armor.

Miss anything?

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 15, 2006, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Lets see...damage types:

Holy - x2 vs undead, ignores armor, skill based
Light - x2 vs undead, does NOT ignore armor, wand based

Life Stealing - ignores armor, technically not damage at all
Shadow - ignores armor, skill based
Dark - does NOT ignore armor, wand based

Chaos (skill) - ignores armor, skill based
Chaos (wand) - does NOT ignore armor, wand based

Physical - ??? (i have no idea what physical damage is armor ignoring and what isn't)

Elemental - Never ignores armor, expecpt for a few skills that specifically state that they ignore armor.

Miss anything?

I'm pretty sure light damage does not double against undead when coming from a wand. Physical damage never ignores armor completely. EDIT: Nevermind, it does double against undead.

Carinae · Aug 15, 2006, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Well, I double-checked, and there is no skill-based Chaos damage (not even Chaos Storm

)

So all 'Chaos' damage is wand based, and does not ignore armor.

Suedars · Aug 15, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Well, I double-checked, and there is no skill-based Chaos damage (not even Chaos Storm

)

So all 'Chaos' damage is wand based, and does not ignore armor.

I had always assumed Mesmer spells did Chaos damage. If not that, what type is it? Although it's probably fairly irrelevant.

Carinae · Aug 15, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02

So did I. Apparently they do 'damage'.

*lemming* · Aug 16, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45

If only Anet would just post Ensign's article on damage calculation on their front page, the world would be a better place.

Mysterial · Aug 16, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

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Originally Posted by Suedars

I had always assumed Mesmer spells did Chaos damage. If not that, what type is it? Although it's probably fairly irrelevant.

Some time ago, all references to Chaos/Shadow damage were removed from the skills, presumably to unify all the armor ignoring skills as just dealing "damage", except for Holy damage because of the undead/tormentor's bonus.

Carinae · Aug 16, 2006, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Originally Posted by Mysterial

Some time ago, all references to Chaos/Shadow damage were removed from the skills, presumably to unify all the armor ignoring skills as just dealing "damage", except for Holy damage because of the undead/tormentor's bonus.

Necro skills still refer to shadow damage. See: Shadow Strike, Dark Pact...

Savio · Aug 16, 2006, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Base weapon damage: does not ignore armor.
+dmg from attack skills: ignores armor.
Skills with elemental-type damage: does not ignore armor.
Skills with anything else: ignores armor.

Stop attributing armor ignorance to damage type.