Curse

Necro_Mike · Aug 23, 2006, 12:24 PM // 12:24

14^50 is the way to go. There is almost no difference.

shadowfell · Aug 23, 2006, 12:55 PM // 12:55

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Originally Posted by Don Zardeone

Crystallines are usually just for show though so that's why some don't customise them. These show-offs usually do a few swings in combat but thenthey swap to something better.
Still, nothing beats showing off your customised req7 15^50 crystalline

Nay good sir.. these show offs spend all their time standing in LA dis 1, in their forge-ran fow, talking about their crystalline swords =d

On note though. I have quite a few very expensive weapons, across my characters, and I used to have a policy that if something had a value of more than 350k, I wouldn't customize it. This was for just in case I ever hit 'hard times'. Well, that never really happened, and I no longer really needed all the money I had anyhow... So I bit the bullet and customized everything I actually used. So far, I can't recall having regretted any of them...

Jetdoc · Aug 23, 2006, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

So for pve would it be selfish if: -
*The warrior does not use a rune of superior absorbsion?
*Every player does not have a rune of superior vigor?
*The warrior was using ascalon or gladiators armor?
*The weapon / staff is not perfect?
*The weapon / staff is not perfectly modded?
*The warrior does not have a perfect shield?
*The player does not have a large number of items to cover each situation e.g. helms with minor runes for dp. Or shields for stance / hex / enchant / always?

If customizing a weapon is sooo important in pve then the above should be also important.

If the player currently owns those items and chooses not to use them, then the answer is YES.

However, your analogy is flawed above because most of the people you describe above do not OWN the items you've indicated. In other words, if you have a shield that provides +25 health and one that provides +30 health, then what would be the point of using the +25 health shield?

That's the problem - you OWN a weapon that you know would be better if you simply customized it - 10 gold at the trader. Instead, you (1) decide not to customize it and (2) decide to use it over another weapon that would provide you more damage.

So yes, in a word, you would be selfish in PvE for doing so.

Alleji · Aug 23, 2006, 11:56 PM // 23:56

As far as I'm concerned, people who don't customize weapons are idiots.

If you're planning to sell your precious sword/axe/bow (hammers don't count, since they're worth nothing anyway) then don't use it and use a customized cheap-o green.

Zinger314 · Aug 24, 2006, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by Alleji

As far as I'm concerned, people who don't customize weapons are idiots.

If you're planning to sell your precious sword/axe/bow (hammers don't count, since they're worth nothing anyway) then don't use it and use a customized cheap-o green.

The exception would be Caster weapons. For example, I don't customize my Ritualist's Spiritgarden's Repose, since I rarely attatck with it.

TaiClaw · Aug 24, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

My point being before bashing the people who dont customize their nice / rare items consider that other people who dont have expensive stuff could also be "letting down the team". If they can afford nice items they would most probably have the best shields / armor / skills etc for the job required. Take my example of everyone having a superior vigor rune, I doubt everyone playing casually can afford one for each character so therefore they too like the people not customizing their weapons are putting the team at a disadvantage.

Expensive does not always mean better however, a perfect 15^50 req 8 item can go for 100k+, where as a 14^50 req 9 item will never sell. When there is basically no difference between the item, people just THINK , zomg 15^50 is so much better than 14^50.

The truely smart people in this game,

A) Don't care about money, if maximizing there damage output for the good of the team, or for personal glory means customizing a weapon, they will do it.

B) See 0 Difference between Perfect and Near Perfect items.

C) Don't follow cookie cutter builds.

D) Don't stand around in Kaineng City, or LA trading and selling items to accumulate wealth.

No offense, most of the smart people in this game come from other MMoRPG's.

Sir Skullcrasher · Aug 24, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Peoples like rare skin items with perfect to near perfect mods and with low requirement. The prices on these rare skins can go 100k or more. Look at Gothic Dual Axe, or Gothic Defender... those are hard to get and not to mention getting them in perfect req and mods.

The Herbalizer · Aug 24, 2006, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by TaiClaw

Expensive does not always mean better however, a perfect 15^50 req 8 item can go for 100k+, where as a 14^50 req 9 item will never sell. When there is basically no difference between the item, people just THINK , zomg 15^50 is so much better than 14^50.

The truely smart people in this game,

A) Don't care about money, if maximizing there damage output for the good of the team, or for personal glory means customizing a weapon, they will do it.

B) See 0 Difference between Perfect and Near Perfect items.

C) Don't follow cookie cutter builds.

D) Don't stand around in Kaineng City, or LA trading and selling items to accumulate wealth.

No offense, most of the smart people in this game come from other MMoRPG's.

A Req 8 weapon in certain situations can be more flexible than say a Req 10 one. Low Req items which usually cost more than the high req equivalents can be therefore seen to be more flexible. A weapon which is more flexible in certain situations can therefore be considered better than a weapon which is not as flexible.

There IS a difference between 14>50 and 15>50 weapons just as there IS a difference between 9% and 10% recharge on staffs. Although the numbers may be small there IS a difference. The difference may not be important to some but it is to others.

I fail to see how people who use cookie cutter builds is relevant to a debate on the customization of weapons. Maybe you mean people who use expensive weapons also use cookie cutter builds...

Some of the most intelligent people I have met trade or used to. Alot of the people have been able to accumulate many many millions if not tens of millions of gold which involves some form of intelligence. To say that people can only be considered intelligent or clever if they play to a certain style of play is wrong. Trading is a aspect of Guild Wars whether you like it or not. Some people enjoy trading and it is not something easy otherwise everyone would be amazingly rich. I may not enjoy or like pve but it does not mean everyone doing it is not intelligent. Just like I dont enjoy sitting in towns and talking i.e. Grotto does not mean they are not clever.

Why would most of the smart people come from other mmorpg's???

Stockholm · Aug 24, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Smart people don't play GW, they are busy making millions in Real Life, the rest of us are wannabes that think we are "Uber" for making useless millions in a game.

TaiClaw · Aug 24, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

There IS a difference between 14>50 and 15>50 weapons just as there IS a difference between 9% and 10% recharge on staffs. Although the numbers may be small there IS a difference. The difference may not be important to some but it is to others.

Yes, the difference tho is incredibly small when comparing 14^50 to 15^50. So small infact that its impossible to justify the price difference.

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Why would most of the smart people come from other mmorpg's???

Because GW is a vanity game, those who come from other games where actual playstyle, wits and maths are greater than looking good, have a better understanding of the mechanics in GW.

Uther Charrsbane · Aug 24, 2006, 09:07 AM // 09:07

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Originally Posted by TaiClaw

Expensive does not always mean better however, a perfect 15^50 req 8 item can go for 100k+, where as a 14^50 req 9 item will never sell. When there is basically no difference between the item, people just THINK , zomg 15^50 is so much better than 14^50.

The truely smart people in this game,

A) Don't care about money, if maximizing there damage output for the good of the team, or for personal glory means customizing a weapon, they will do it.

B) See 0 Difference between Perfect and Near Perfect items.

C) Don't follow cookie cutter builds.

D) Don't stand around in Kaineng City, or LA trading and selling items to accumulate wealth.

No offense, most of the smart people in this game come from other MMoRPG's.

You have just insulted me. i feel sad

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and i actually enjoy trading and haggling,and i agree that making millions is a major part of gw

JR · Aug 24, 2006, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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Originally Posted by TaiClaw

A) Don't care about money, if maximizing there damage output for the good of the team, or for personal glory means customizing a weapon, they will do it.

Agreed on this one. If you are going to make a fuss about buying max damage 15^50 equipment for use on one of your characters, then you are being pretty ridiculous to then not customise it.

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Originally Posted by TaiClaw

B) See 0 Difference between Perfect and Near Perfect items.

Disagreed. Every little helps, and has the potential to make a difference.

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Originally Posted by TaiClaw

C) Don't follow cookie cutter builds.

Cookie cutter can often mean tried and tested, high chance of success.

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Originally Posted by TaiClaw

D) Don't stand around in Kaineng City, or LA trading and selling items to accumulate wealth.

Power trading is a very strong way to make large amounts of money, with the amount you make going up exponentially as you can afford to invest more. You just need to be right on top of market values, and have a decent reserve of gold to start with.

TaiClaw · Aug 24, 2006, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by Uther Charrsbane

You have just insulted me. i feel sad

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and i actually enjoy trading and haggling,and i agree that making millions is a major part of gw

Haggling?

Person1: Hey, how much?
Person2: Offer?
Person1: nvm then

or..

Person1: Hey how much?
Peson2:Offer
Person1:20k?
Person2: ZomG N00b Ther worTh lik 1ooK + , Noob! I said N0 N-00b offEr!!

It's a real civilised market.

TaiClaw · Aug 24, 2006, 10:48 AM // 10:48

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Originally Posted by JR-

Disagreed. Every little helps, and has the potential to make a difference.
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Sounds good in theory, but put into practice, and you will still hit the same mob for the same amount of damage, yet everyone now and then you will hit for 11 instead of 10.

Though I never questioned the damage difference, just the price difference between 14^50 and 15^50, when there practically exactly the same.

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Originally Posted by JR-

Cookie cutter can often mean tried and tested, high chance of success..

Agreed, although I respect somone more who thinks outside the square and creates/tests there "own" builds. Rather than copy somone elses.

The Herbalizer · Aug 24, 2006, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by TaiClaw

Haggling?

Person1: Hey, how much?
Person2: Offer?
Person1: nvm then

or..

Person1: Hey how much?
Peson2:Offer
Person1:20k?
Person2: ZomG N00b Ther worTh lik 1ooK + , Noob! I said N0 N-00b offEr!!

It's a real civilised market.

Wow just goes to show how ignorant people can be. I mean if its so easy I bet everyone could accumulate wealth upwards of 10 million gold with a relatively small amount of time spent in Guild Wars. There are actually skills required for trading believe it or not. Anyway the people shouting noob and other crap are awful traders.

Mithie · Aug 24, 2006, 12:28 PM // 12:28

There is no difference practically between a 14%>50% weapon and a 15%>50% weapon in PvE. Your targets usually have high enough armor that you're not going to feel a lick of difference.

Just like the +9 hp a sup. vigor gives over major vigor isn't worth the extra 28k.

Asplode · Aug 24, 2006, 12:34 PM // 12:34

If you have 20 million gold burning a hole in your pocket, I suggest a 15% FFS, HoD Axe, and a whole set of 30/+10 vs X shields, because those have actual pvp value. A 15>50 req9 Crystalline sword is just a skin. That's just my two cents.

Mournblade · Aug 24, 2006, 01:39 PM // 13:39

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Originally Posted by Mithie

There is no difference practically between a 14%>50% weapon and a 15%>50% weapon in PvE. Your targets usually have high enough armor that you're not going to feel a lick of difference.

Just like the +9 hp a sup. vigor gives over major vigor isn't worth the extra 28k.

You can't argue with math. 15% is better than 14%. 50hp is better than 41hp. Just because you cant perceive it doesn't mean it isn't so. I've walked away from fights with 1hp often enough (more often than I would have expected) to be VERY thankful that I have a superior vigor.

I'm certainly not the best player around, but if i'm in your group you can rest assured i'm doing everything in my power to maximize my performance to our mutual benefit.

Jetdoc · Aug 24, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

The only difference (from what I can tell) on the 14% versus 15% argument are those situations where the GW rounding convention comes into play.

For example, if you're hitting someone for a base damage of 20, if you have a 15% weapon you'll do 23 damage, but if you have a 14% weapon you'll do 22.8 damage, which will be rounded down to 22 damage.

The maximum damage difference you'll ever encounter is 1 damage, as there isn't a weapon attack (that I'm aware of) that does more than 100 damage, unless you're destroying some extremely low level foes.

Uther Charrsbane · Aug 25, 2006, 10:30 PM // 22:30

Double post YAY
MY FIRST WOOHOO