Curse

crimsonfilms · Dec 01, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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people want the real thing dug out of the ground.

Thus the vanity of people is the problem not the economy. They prefer Blood Diamonds but complain they can't afford it.

You want it - get it.
Its hard?? It supposed to be.

Too hard?? If you want something easier go get 15k.
15K harder still? Get Drok.
Drok still too hard? Sell your account in EBay.

Mahanaxar · Dec 01, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Hard is ok.
But a lot harder than some months ago?
THIS is the point.

TokranePo · Dec 01, 2005, 03:25 PM // 15:25

I don't understand why people are complaining about the difficulty of getting the most expensive armor in the game. There is a reason why it is expensive and hard to get to. If they just wanted to make it easily available, then they should have just put it up for sale at the armor merchant at Droknar's Forge and lowered the price.

There is supposed to be difficulty that adds perceived value to rare items in the game. It is the same way with gold items. They are called "rare," which means that every character isn't meant to be running around with one. What's so special about a gold item if everyone has one and everyone can easily have enough money to simply buy one in trade if they don't already have it? Making grinding and farming easier would do a major disservice to the players because it would make all those nice items that you covet into worthless everyday items that don't mean anything. Which, ultimately, means that the game loses interest faster and A.net drops it faster.

Yes, farming is not easy for the average PVE player. I am one. I don't like PVP. I don't have a monk. I don't have a Warrior/Monk. Farming is not easy for me, and the effort involved means that I will probably never get some of the more rare items in the game. But I like them and the prospect of maybe working to get them still intrigues me. If I could toss in five hours of gaming grind and get all the best items in the game, I would think that all the best items in the game were pretty lame.

[*EDIT When I signed up to the forums I did have a lv15 Mo/N, which I did not enjoy playing. So I deleted the character. Sorry for any confusion. /attempts to remove foot from mouth]

Garumn · Dec 01, 2005, 03:28 PM // 15:28

You have Mo/N in profession.....

crimsonfilms · Dec 01, 2005, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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THIS is the point.

Do you remember the economy back then?
That is my point. You had an economy where a sword with 1% higher bonus damage would cost 4 times as much. A perfect Wingblade vs 14% was like 250k vs 50k. The same thing for mods and offhand items. In my point of view I thought it was not a big deal since 1% is not going to get me killed.

ANet fixed that by creating green items and easier access to some gold items. The side effect of that is now that people are more oriented in acquiring FoW armor instead of the weapons.

You have now a spike in the price of Ectos and Shards because the increase demand for FoW.

However, if you compare the golds items vs FoW armor - those are more PRAGMATIC things, thus you have a case of fixing the economy.

With FoW armor - not really. They are supposed to be rare and difficult to acquire and they have no strategic advantage unless to distract a noob with all that bling.

There is no proof that UW/FoW drops have been nerfed. People doing their personal anecdotal stories ARE NOT PROOF.
Unless you come up with a sound methadology and results no one can claim this.

quickmonty · Dec 01, 2005, 03:35 PM // 15:35

It's not that hard to get the gold and materials for Drok's armor, and very good weapons can be found by just playing the game. Anything else is just for looks. So .... if you want the basics it isn't that hard and if you want vanity work for it!

Do you drive a Mercedes or a Civic? Both will get you where you are going but you have to work harder for that prestige vehicle.

CHunterX · Dec 01, 2005, 03:56 PM // 15:56

ANet will NOT drop the material cost for FoW armor. It is meant to be a sinkhole for cash to kill Farmers and eBay buyers money, so the wealth is spread more evenly (although it isn't working). A millionare can become poorer than a pre-searer in 1 hour or less, and that's exactly what they want. It keeps people coming back to the game. It's not made to even be acheived. It's for players who exploited the game in some way to look foolish. It only shows they've spent 100's of hours farming over and over alone, no skill involved. I'd personally rather not party with a FoW armor player, I doubt they remember how to call targets.

Loviatar · Dec 01, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by aron searle

also i like the way you say ONLY 3-4 months

lol.

do you actually think 3-4 months to get the top item in the game is excessive when the game will have gone at least (maybe) a full year before the chapter 2 goodies come out?

anything less would be making it too easy.

and no i would not get FOW armor if i had the gold to pay for materials.

it is not worth it to me.

if someone GAVE me all materials to get it i would save them for something else

Lady Cream · Dec 01, 2005, 07:28 PM // 19:28

l o l

They killed their own game with all thoses nerf updates. Of course majority of people here will say me "you noob lololol you don't need armors and weapons get 10k and get the collectors/droknar lolol". This hypocrite attitutes is boring me to be honest.
If you can't admit that old days players have a hudge advantage over new players, I can't do anything for you.
Seriously, who cares about droknar armor and collector items ? If I play PvE, I don't. I want the high priced armor, perfect gold weapons, the most expensive runes. I want them because they're in the game. In pvp, I don't care at all. My goal is to win. But in PvE, my goal is to make an optimized character. Month ago, I was able to do it, and I've done it. Now it's just impossible. What's the point playing PvE with basic stuff ?

I don't understand how arena net hides his face.

I mean, why don't they just say "anti farm update" each time they make one ? Instead of saying BS such as "improved ai, to counter the bots, bs#3 , bs#4 ...." I'm bored with this lack of beeing honest.

I'm not surprized to see people selling their account now.

Let's talk about the famous HOD sword. lol.
What was the point ? "pre nerfed item" ?

The only updates who were good were:
- spirit spam nerf (even if some spirits are totaly useless now)
- hero can cap the altar easily

Oh, and "80% of accounts have less than 20k" ...
- how to buy sup vigor ? absorbtion ? 15k armors ? weapons ? ...
- how many of this accounts are inactives ?

Kristy D. · Dec 01, 2005, 07:47 PM // 19:47

Alot of people are saying they can't get any money after all these "nerfs" but if you go to the right places, it isn't hard at all.

One day last week...did FOW run, UW run, SF run. Came back with 2 shards, 1 ecto, 1 Razorstone. Made 100k in 1 day!

Right now I have over 930k and most was obtained after all the nerfs. I didn't buy it on eBay, I just went out, killed stuff, and sold the drops. How hard is that? BTW, great place to farm is outside...on nvm, they will just nerf it if I say.

Dralspire · Dec 01, 2005, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

... It's for players who exploited the game in some way to look foolish. It only shows they've spent 100's of hours farming over and over alone, no skill involved. I'd personally rather not party with a FoW armor player, I doubt they remember how to call targets.

It is a sad day when you start choosing team members by their outfits. Personally, I play in teams with fun players, and if they want to wear particular armor sets, that is just fine with me.

crimsonfilms · Dec 01, 2005, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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This hypocrite attitutes is boring me to be honest.

Hypocrite in what?
I don't care if it bores you, it is still a valid answer.
BTW - 'it bores' answer is kind of nonsensical since the argument is not there to entertain you.

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But in PvE, my goal is to make an optimized character.

If you mean to fill up on vanity items - then yes 'optiminzing' is the proper term.

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Now it's just impossible.

Its not impossible. Far from it. Its harder. But then again, it was easier because the economy was broken in a much larger extent. Unless you address this point, which is directly related to your argument - your argument does not hold much water.

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- how to buy sup vigor ? absorbtion ? 15k armors ? weapons ? ...

Uhm unlocking it...
15k armor is not impossible to get. There are hundreds of people walking around who got their 15k and FoW the old fashion way and AFTER the nerf.

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(even if some spirits are totaly useless now)

I'm not sure what gave you that idea, I guess you dont do much GvG or HoH.
And don't say you are talking about PvE because the truth is most in GW is more useful in PvP than PvE and vice versa.

If you did not know by now - most town merchants are meant to be gold sinkholes. They are NOT meant to be your primary source of equipment (except armor of course).

Dyes, runes, and crafting material are better off acquired either through normal gameplay or traded with another player.
Normal gameplay allows you to unlock it for PvP - can't do that with merchant items.
Dye's and crafting materials are much cheaper if traded with other players - not to mention you can be much more creative (like shards for ectos, or wood for ingots).

Maxiemonster · Dec 01, 2005, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Pff, Female FoW Monk armor is hidious.. 15K Judge's > FoW Armor, so no thanks, not worth the time, especially, for a crappy looking armor.

And if there's anyone with a FoW armor (actually the same with 15K..), and no Superior Vigor rune, please go kill yourself.

And getting FoW Armor is indeed, very time consuming (I'm not saying it's hards, because it's not). It's even more time consuming if you want to do it in a nice way (farming SF for green items for example), since if you buy low, sell high, you can make 100-500K each day, and that's not a joke.

Zaklex · Dec 01, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by Antagonist

Nope, after the last desert mission you don't get skill quests anymore and there are still about 30 standard skills left from both classes. You use up the early discount for about 20 signet of captures.

Your problem is buying signets of capture, all normal skills can be bought from a trainer at Ember Light Camp, you only need the signets for Elite skills. Buy the normal skills first at the cheap price, then buy signets for Elites.

AxeMe · Dec 01, 2005, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

It only shows they've spent 100's of hours farming over and over alone, no skill involved..

Maybe I'm deluded because I do farm - a lot - but I think (1) farming does take skill and (2) I've learned things about builds and skills in an interesting laboratory.

I think there's skill involved because if someone who doesn't understand what is needed tried to use the same skills with the same character, they'd die. They can learn to do it. And that in itself seems to indicate that it's a learned skill.

Is everything learned in farming transferable to other parts of the game? No. But I'm convinced that learning to use the right combinations of skills has made me a better player. And if you think of the givens in farming - you must stay alive in a hostile environment and still be able to kill - well, that can come in handy in other parts of the game.

AncientPC · Dec 01, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

Pff, Female FoW Monk armor is hidious.. 15K Judge's > FoW Armor, so no thanks, not worth the time, especially, for a crappy looking armor.

Personal opinion. I could say the same about any armor for that matter.

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And if there's anyone with a FoW armor (actually the same with 15K..), and no Superior Vigor rune, please go kill yourself.

OMG YOU DIDN'T GET SUP VIGOR THAT'S +9HP OVER MAJOR!!!11!!!1 Maybe you'd have a point about sup absorp on warriors, but sup vigor is meh.

Maxiemonster · Dec 01, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by AncientPC

OMG YOU DIDN'T GET SUP VIGOR THAT'S +9HP OVER MAJOR!!!11!!!1 Maybe you'd have a point about sup absorp on warriors, but sup vigor is meh.

I think it's lame people choose looks above things that are actually useful. And indeed, 9HP is nearly nothing, but it's better then nothing.

Jetdoc · Dec 01, 2005, 10:49 PM // 22:49

I think you have to be careful of the "slippery slope" when it comes to health bonuses. Think about what you could apply that too...

1. Superior Vigor versus Major Vigor - 50K difference, +10 Health
2. Perfect Fortitude Sword Pommel versus minimum Sword Pommel - 50K difference, +10 health
3. Perfect Shield Health Mod versus +20 Shield Health Mod - 50K difference, +10 health.

So, in the end, each is CRAZY higher than the others, but for that 150K you've bought yourself 30 extra health. Some may not think it justifies the cost, but to me I'd rather have that extra advantage in the game and be out some fictional cash.

AncientPC · Dec 01, 2005, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

I think it's lame people choose looks above things that are actually useful. And indeed, 9HP is nearly nothing, but it's better then nothing.

Then I hope you don't play PvE. How many people have full set of knight's armor, chaos axes, fiery dragon swords instead of collector / weapon crafter items? PvE is all about vanity.

Kristy D. · Dec 02, 2005, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

I think it's lame people choose looks above things that are actually useful. And indeed, 9HP is nearly nothing, but it's better then nothing.

That's true. It may seem that paying 50k extra for the 9hp you get is crazy, but I just got done a battle and when it was over, I had 1hp left! 1hp made the difference between life and death. So that extra 9hp may just save your life one day!