Curse

Numa Pompilius · Nov 27, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Roza

I have a lot of skill points I would like to use for buying skills and I would like to buy 15K armour some day. --- items in months. Still, I have about 15K. And I am sure that even if I had been more stingy, I would not have had 100K. You ARE going to be poor in this game.

That's 15 skills you can buy right now.

Then just keep playing, and you'll make more money for the next skills you'll find. You already have the droknars armor, so you'll not need to spend another gold on armor until the game is over. You'll find the weapons you need for PvE while you play.

Want to play PvP? Make a PvP character and equip him with PvP gear for free. You'll quickly make enough faction to unlock the perfect gear & skills you need.

Don't buy chest keys. They're gold sinks. If you got gold to spare then they're a fun gamble, if you don't, then you shouldn't buy chest keys.

So how are you poor when you can afford what you need when you need?

It all boils down to those FoW armors and perfect gold items. Which are purely status symbols, nothing else. They get you no noticeable advantage in-game, neither in PvE nor PvP.

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An auction house would solve my gold problems, I think.

Possibly. What an auction house would definitely do is speed up the mudflation immensely, as absolutely everyone would have all green or perfect gold items in short order. It's already difficult to sell non-perfect gold items or "common" greens, with an auction house those would soon be as worthless as that max-armor purple strength 12 req defender shield already is.

Then farming would REALLY be nerfed for everyone except the bots and the UW monks.

Amn_En_Tarsath · Nov 27, 2005, 03:04 PM // 15:04

It allways takes me by surprise to see morons go wild as soon as someone says "making money is too hard". Shove that "bullshit" up your ass, all you folks are doing is sowing flamebaits to get some attention.

"So you don't need that Armor bla bla...". Who cares? Why is it in the game then? For the dedicated players? Impossible to reach? Ahahaa? THAT is Bullshit. A.Net obviously just underestimated Economy (Want a proof? Take a look back at the Update Notes, just look at all those Trade and Farming focussed updates). Things like these are in the game and they are meant to be possessed.

About the next argument "Work for it!". Okay mister "I have lost contact to the real world" what is your problem with the word "Game". What is so hard to understand that as soon as something turns into work in a game it is going awfully wrong? You are playing a game for fun and not for getting frustrated about work. If that pleases you, so be it... but don't expect everyone to be the same. And don't try to force your "Grinding Wonder Land" unto others.

Numa Pompilius · Nov 27, 2005, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Amn_En_Tarsath

"So you don't need that Armor bla bla...". Who cares? Why is it in the game then?

As a reward to keep people playing PvE after they've completed the campaign but before chapter 2 has been released.
You're aware it's got the exact same stats as the droknars armors, right? That the ONLY difference is price and looks?

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About the next argument "Work for it!". Okay mister "I have lost contact to the real world" what is your problem with the word "Game". What is so hard to understand that as soon as something turns into work in a game it is going awfully wrong?

Actually what I said was 'play for it'. You want that FoW armor, go explore the underground. By the time you've fully explored the FoW and the UW, you can probably afford it. Can't be assed? Well, I guess the FoW armor wasn't for you then.

I'm amazed people are actually complaining about that it requires effort to get the most expensive gear in the game - which isn't even any better than the gear they've already got. Or whine about that they can't afford gold perfect items of status skins, only equally good greens & collectors items.

Medion · Nov 27, 2005, 03:41 PM // 15:41

Ok, lets say Anet would give everyone 1000K for free.

What would happen??
Everyone would have FoW armour!!!!!

All you guys are talking about is that you can't have FoW armour. So should Anet give it away?
Ofcourse not, because at that moment, about 99% of the people who want FoW armour, won't "need" it anymore.

If you want it to be made easy, what then is so special about FoW armour?

The looks?

The looks aren't any better, just because they are rare doesn't mean they look better.

Kuptain · Nov 27, 2005, 03:50 PM // 15:50

The funny thing is if Anet decided to make obtaining these items easier, in a few weeks time everyone would be complaining about their armor/weapon not being special anymore or pve being boring because everyone now has the special armor and weapons and there is nothing else left to do.

I'm really getting irritated at the amount of claiming that Guild Wars has too much grind. In fact Guild Wars has the least amount of "grind" in an online game that I know of. Seriously, complain about "grind" in Guild Wars all you want to but it is no where close to as much grind required to stay competitive in Eve-Online where many of its players joke about it being a second job.

Loviatar · Nov 27, 2005, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Amn_En_Tarsath

It You are playing a game for fun and not for getting frustrated about work. If that pleases you, so be it... but don't expect everyone to be the same. And don't try to force your "Grinding Wonder Land" unto others.

if this game is work for you get something else.

THERE ARE 3 LEVELS OF STATUS ARMOR IN THE GAME TO FIT MOST PEOPLES PLAYING TIME.

DROK STATUS ARMOR FOR CASUAL

15K FOR THE MIDDLE LITE NON CASUAL PLAYER

FOW FOR THE LONG TERM HARDCORE PLAYER.

SOME STATUS ITEM FOR EACH CLASS OF PLAYER

chapter 2 will have additional ways to make your character less os a clone.

wait for it and deal with it now by leaving or simply taking a break before chapter 2.

sheesh

EDIT

I FORGOT

COLLECTORS ARMOR FOR THE PERSON WITH NO GOLD AT ALL (SOME PEOPLE PREFER THE COLLECTOR LOOK)

widds2v · Nov 27, 2005, 04:09 PM // 16:09

"FoW armor, cool looking weapons, dyes, runes.
Of course, we don't *need* these things, but some people want them."

So if you wan't them, work for them. I for one thing FoW armor looks ugly on most classes, which is why my war will stay in 15k plate instead of getting FoW, my choice on not having to have the most expensive just saved me millions.

Fact: collector armor/weapons will get you just as far in the game as everyother item. if you use them as they're intended to be used (ie, killing for the items needed)... you can be fully equipped in 80af, max dmg 15>50, etc items for absolutly no cost at all... leaving the money you make for skills.

The above should describe like 60% of GW population. The next 20% or so limited by droks armor, lower end "less than perfect" gold items (aka the smart people, who look at a 29hp item and a 30hp item and realize the 1hp is not worth 400k). Then you have 15% in 15k armor. Those who have extra $$ and wan't to stick out and show people they have $$. These are the people that usually use higher-end greens (rago staff, razorstone, brohns, etc) or high-end golds (perfect longsword). Finally you have 5% of GW... and this is what too many people are expecting to be handed to them for free. FoW armor, the status symbol of wealth. These people dont just use perfect golds, they use perfect rare weapons like that 1.5mil perfect crystal sword, or anyother rare skin/drop weapon.

I think the problem with GW is that it attracts too many different kinds of people and ANET cant cater to them all. Vetern MMOG players know there are tiers of players, and most MMOG players accept that they'll probably never be in a "FOH/Triton/AL/TR" tier (for those former EQ ppl), but they continue playing and have fun. GW, being free, draws crowds from every type of game where the difference between being on the bottom and being on the top isn't that big.

Anyways, you want the best, work for it. You don't want to work for it, you can still have the best, it just doesnt look different.

Lady Cream · Nov 27, 2005, 04:17 PM // 16:17

suppose that Mr.Everybody buy the game today.

Tell me **honestly** that he's able to get fow armor ?

"Hey, I'd like to get fow armor!
- hahahah, you're a new player, www.ebay.com"

Compared to this

He "still" have like 500 ectos. Considering he had fow armor, +5 sword ...

It's easy to rich players to tell to poor ones that they don't "need" fow armor and stuff.

Gaile, a word on this "reset" ?
Probably not I guess.

Orbberius · Nov 27, 2005, 04:29 PM // 16:29

ANet should just implement a form of this idea.

Loviatar · Nov 27, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by Lady Cream

suppose that Mr.Everybody buy the game today.

do you really think after chapter 2 comes out the very few who got the price reset bonus will make a drop in the pool of players?

people will know that for the most part FOW armor is not in their budget.

possibly even all the super high end new stuff in chapter 2 for that matter.

if you only play to get the very best to lord (used on purpose) it over other players and your game is actually *LOOK AT ME AND SEE HOW SUPERIOR I AM* rather than playing GUILDWARS as a game get something else.

as stated there are 3 levels of *STATUS* armor to fit different playing styles.

not everybody gets the 500k exoticar

some have a corvett

some have a minivan

deal with it as they arent going to start giving out ectos at 50g each so everybody can get the FOW and complain that all the *COMMON* people have it

Network · Nov 27, 2005, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

do you really think after chapter 2 comes out the very few who got the price reset bonus will make a drop in the pool of players?

people will know that for the most part FOW armor is not in their budget.

possibly even all the super high end new stuff in chapter 2 for that matter.

if you only play to get the very best to lord (used on purpose) it over other players and your game is actually *LOOK AT ME AND SEE HOW SUPERIOR I AM* rather than playing GUILDWARS as a game get something else.

as stated there are 3 levels of *STATUS* armor to fit different playing styles.

not everybody gets the 500k exoticar

some have a corvett

some have a minivan

deal with it as they arent going to start giving out ectos at 50g each so everybody can get the FOW and complain that all the *COMMON* people have it

I have the exoticar and a corvett

Mahanaxar · Nov 27, 2005, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Someone here is getting really annoying.
Nobody says that FoW armor should be acquirable in a week.
But some months ago 1000k was enough to buy it, now we need almost 2000k (not mentioning that moronic price-reset...just look at Lady Cream's screen).

I *want* a hard PvE objective, but now it's not hard, but insane, and not fair at all.

Some Anet's moves are just incoherent. We have Gaile blabbering on game economy's balance, and we have to fear random updates with incomprehensible moves like price resets or items removal (if HoD sword is so overpowered, remove it completely, don't make it simply unavailable...people are making 300k from a single sword...smart way to balance things

).

Heck, I wish my english wasn't so crap, to answer appropriately to some provocations.

Venus · Nov 27, 2005, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Lady Cream

It's easy to rich players to tell to poor ones that they don't "need" fow armor and stuff.

Thats very true. I hate it when really rich people with FoW lecture the poor people and say that, its so hypocritical. They just want to be unique (i can respect that though).

Its hard for me to form an opinion about richness to poorness because I can see both sides of the argument

Loviatar · Nov 27, 2005, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by Mahanaxar

Heck, I wish my english wasn't so crap, to answer appropriately to some provocations.

in all honesty there are probably 50 percent of the teachers here in the US today that would be happy to get a paper in as good english.

it is not crap.

aron searle · Nov 27, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Actually what I said was 'play for it'. You want that FoW armor, go explore the underground. By the time you've fully explored the FoW and the UW, you can probably afford it. Can't be assed? Well, I guess the FoW armor wasn't for you then.
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Sorry but thats not true, most people would be unable to afford 1 peice. Unless they were extremely lucky and got some perfect item to sell.

Xenrath · Nov 27, 2005, 06:37 PM // 18:37

I agree with the other posts. Droknar's armour is the best you can get stats-wise, and desert collector items are pretty much perfect stats too (plus modifiable). You don't need hundreds of thousands for those. Beyond that, almost everything else is vanity...

Oh the minivan/corvette/exoticar comparison is misleading. All the armours have identical performance, again it's just the bodywork that's different. Edit: yes my chars do all have 15k armour, but only after I got the droknar/desert stuff first and had nothing else to spend it on.

Tiq · Nov 27, 2005, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Amn_En_Tarsath

About the next argument "Work for it!". Okay mister "I have lost contact to the real world" what is your problem with the word "Game". What is so hard to understand that as soon as something turns into work in a game it is going awfully wrong? You are playing a game for fun and not for getting frustrated about work. If that pleases you, so be it... but don't expect everyone to be the same.

MMO's take work or "dedication", most people accept this. What is so hard to understand that the best items in the game should be challenging to get, rather than being handed to you?

Your playing a game for fun, no doubt, and if you get the best items easily, it stops being fun alot quicker, because you no longer have anything to wo-- umm......dedicate yourself to.

Ray · Nov 27, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Win in the Hall of Heroes, get sigils, sell sigils, get good weapons, sell good weapons :l

Sagius Truthbarron · Nov 27, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by OP

By playing the game?

This is how you are supposed to make money. No, I'm not talking "BIG BUX" I'm talking about the way you buy and afford Droknar's Forge armor and materials for a weapon or custome weapon.

This game is not about getting 15k or Fissure armor. That is only there for hardcore PvE'rs in the UW, FoW, and Sorrow's Furnace. 15k/Fissure armor is shear vanity and there is no point to having it, thus only a fool would think that they need it. A fool thinks he needs it to be socially esteemed.

You pickup dropped money, you pickup everything in missions and quest asif you are a can collector and by the time you need to use it for anything, you will have about 14k or more.

You need to just pick things up, fill your bags, and then sell them to the merchant.

This is how you make money for the things you need and is all that is important."Distinguishedly unsuccessful" for those who want to be distinguished to themselves only.

Teufel Eldritch · Nov 27, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

If you want to make tons of money...run ppl. That is the most profitible means of making money in GW.

Regarding FoW armor...it is no longer rare. I see a lot & I mean A LOT of ppl wearing it nowadays.

Funny how so many ppl buy the expensive armors but don't even know about the cheaper ones. The other day I was on my FemMez, just kickin it when some another Mez came along & saw that I was wearing plain ol' Stylish armor. However because it is a "normal" armor this person didn't recognise it. They asked me what type of armor it was, where I got it & how much.....it's nothing but plain armor! But yet this person thought it was "leet" armor because of the fact they always see 15k & FoW armor everywhere. "Rare" armors ARE NOT rare.

If you think FoW armor is rare then do me a favor...go sit in ToA for a hour or 2 & keep track of all the FoW armor you see. Goto Tombs & do the same.