Curse

onigiri · Sep 14, 2006, 10:06 AM // 10:06

-Spawning Power
Boon of Creation :
gain 3~7 Energy > 1~6

Ghostly Haste :
5~17% faster > 5~25%

Ritual Lord :
>>For 30 seconds, your Rituals recharge 15~63% faster.
For 30 seconds, your Rituals recharge 15~60% faster.

-Channeling Magice
Ancestors' Rage :
Recharge 15s > 8s

Channeled Strike :
Recharge 8s > 6s

Essence Strike :
Dmg 5~41 > 15~60
gain 1~7 ene > 1~9

Gaze from Beyond :
Recharge 15s > 10s

Grasping was Kuurong :
Dmg 15~51 > 15~75

Painful Bond :
Recharge 20s > 12s

Spirit Burn :
>>Spell. Target foe is struck for 5~41 lightning damage. If any Spirits are in the area around you, spirit Burn deals +15~27 damage.
Spell. Target foe is struck for 15~60 lightn~~~~ it Burn deals +15~45 damage.

Spirit Rift :
Dmg 20~96 > 25~135

Splinter Weapon :
Recharge 10s > 5s

Wailing Weapon :
Recharge 30s > 25s

-Restoration Magic
Blind was Mingson :
Recharge 25s > 15s
effect time 1~8 > 3~8

Life :
Recharge 45s > 30s

Mend Body and Soul :
healed for 10~70 Health > 20~115

Preservation :
Recharge 45s > 30s

Protective Was Koalai :
effect time 10~30s > 10~60s

Recuperation :
Recharge 60s > 45s
cost 15 > 25s

Spirit Light :
Cost 10 > 5
Scrifice 10% Health > 17%

Spirit Light Weapon :
>>For 10 seconds, target ally gains 3~13 Health each second. Spirit Light Weapon ends if that ally is not near a Spirit.
For 10 seconds, target ally gains 1~10 Health each second. Extra heal 1~10 If that ally near a Spirit.

Spirit Transfer :
Recharge 10s > 5s

Tranquil Was Tanasen
effect time 5~15s > 5~20s

-Communing
Bloodsong :
Recharge 60s > 45s
steal up to 5~17 Health > 5~25

{E}Defiant Was Xinrae :
cost 25 > 15

Disenchantment :
Recharge 60s > 45s
Dmg 3~13 > 5~20

Displacement :
Recharge 60s > 45s

Dissonance :
Recharge 60s > 45s
Dmg 3~13 > 5~20

Dulled Weapon :
Recharge 20s > 12s

Guided Weapon
Recharge 45s > 20s

Pain
Recharge 45s > 30s
Dmg 5~17 > 5~30

Shadow song :
Cost 10 > 15

Shelter :
>>When this Spirit prevents damage, it loses 60~36 Health.
When this Spirit prevents damage, it loses 75~45 Health.
Energy Cost 15 > 25
Recharge 60s > 45s

Soothing :
Cost 10 > 25

Union :
Recharge 60s > 45s

Vital Weapon :
Recharge 20s > 12s

{E}Wanderlust :
Recharge 60s > 45s

{E}Weapon of Quickening :
effect time 5~13s > 5~25s

Wielder's Boon :
heal 15~51 > 15~75s

-Ritualist none
nothing

majoho · Sep 14, 2006, 10:24 AM // 10:24

Quote:

Spirit Light :
Cost 10 > 5
Scrifice 10% Health > 17%

Should be easier to farm Wardens now, the rits will die much faster.

Sli Ander · Sep 14, 2006, 03:41 PM // 15:41

Monk

* Balthazar's Aura: decreased duration to 8 seconds.
That'll make life a tad tougher, but the other boosts should balance it out
* Bane Signet: decreased recharge time to 20 seconds.
very nice.
* Banish: this skill now does double damage vs. summoned creatures.
What counts as a summoned creature? Titans are technically summoned, so I guess I'll check wiki for a definition of that. NPC minion masters or any undead summoned better beware: 4x damage(w/o them using frenzy...)
* Divine Boon: increased recharge time to 10 seconds, decreased amount healed to 15..60.
* Extinguish: increased cast time to 1 second, increased recharge time to 12 seconds.
* Purge Signet: decreased cast time to 2 seconds.
cool
* Signet of Judgment: decreased recharge time to 20 seconds.
very helpful indeed
* Zealot's Fire: increased recharge time to 45 seconds.

I posted this on a thread that no longer appears, so I guess it was merged with this or something. Both Boon and Zealots Fire affect builds out there now. So what do you think, guys: Is this just to shake up builds, or is this prep for Nightfall based on the info from the PVP weekend?(seeing they decreased so many recharge times, boosted so much overall)

Former Ruling · Sep 14, 2006, 08:52 PM // 20:52

And JUST LIKE I SAID they basically nerfed the same stuff the leaked list nerfed and buffed about the same, except that tweaked around and changed HOW they nerfed/buffed some of the stuff so the list appears fake.

Like instead of buffing Cleave like the list implied, they nerfed Eviserate. Same difference - tryin to promote Cleave and instead of Nerfing Energy management that boons use, they just straight nerfed Boon itself - Same difference in the end.

natus · Sep 14, 2006, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sli Ander

* Banish: this skill now does double damage vs. summoned creatures.
What counts as a summoned creature? Titans are technically summoned, so I guess I'll check wiki for a definition of that. NPC minion masters or any undead summoned better beware: 4x damage

Minions (fiends, horrors, golems) and spirits (both ranger and ritualist) count as summoned creatures.

lyra_song · Sep 14, 2006, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

And JUST LIKE I SAID they basically nerfed the same stuff the leaked list nerfed and buffed about the same, except that tweaked around and changed HOW they nerfed/buffed some of the stuff so the list appears fake.

um...ok. I think it could be easily discerned what attributes needed buffs and nerfs just by watching the PvP situation. .-. Its majorly stale.

Whoever made that "fake" list was obviously looking at the same things Anet is, because...it makes sense?

Although that list said frenzy would get nerfed :P

Quote:

instead of Nerfing Energy management that boons use, they just straight nerfed Boon itself - Same difference in the end.

This i have to disagree.

Nerfing boon is only nerfing the monk profession since its a monk primary.

Screwing up the whole inspiration line ruins essentially the only real reason to have a mesmer secondary.

Tortoise · Sep 14, 2006, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Would I like skill updates as soon as possible and have the possibility to prepare thoroughly? Yeah... Am I gonna QQ because they're there just when the ladder restarts, no. Why?

1. Top guilds really aren't gonna start losing matches because they were unprepared Eviscerate does 6 less damage. So far we've never had nerfs that made entire builds unplayable (except when they were clearly broken).

2. The update is there for everyone at the same time. It shouldn't make that huge of a difference when everyone is adapting. The top guilds were still kicking ass during the 6v6 weekend eventhough it was a kind of PvP that had never seen any play before. Perhaps if you're unable to deal with this you don't even deserve a playoff spot...

3. There isn't that much difference between a skillbalance and a severely changed meta-game. When SB-RI suddenly ravaged the ladder the top guilds were still able to stay foot. Being able to cope with changes is one of the things that makes top guilds great.

Former Ruling · Sep 14, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

um...ok. I think it could be easily discerned what attributes needed buffs and nerfs just by watching the PvP situation. .-. Its majorly stale.

Whoever made that "fake" list was obviously looking at the same things Anet is, because...it makes sense?

Although that list said frenzy would get nerfed :P

This i have to disagree.

Nerfing boon is only nerfing the monk profession since its a monk primary.

Screwing up the whole inspiration line ruins essentially the only real reason to have a mesmer secondary.

The Inspiration line didnt get nerfed, the Energy Management that basically ONLY BoonProts use got nerfed with the exception of Drain Enchant and SOMETIMES you'll see an actual Mesmer use Power Drain. Other than that I barely ever see mesmers actually run stuff like Mantra of Recall....And Anet has NO QUALMS about nerfing stuff in other classes based on how other classes use them (Remember Gale nerf because of Warriors, Irrs. Blow nerfed this time because of thumpers, etc).

And you cannot chalk it up to "luck" that they picked right, atleast half of what was changed is DIRECTLY off that leaked list, telling the EXACT changes that happened, like exactly what the recharge was changed to and such.

Anyway, Of course everything on the list didnt hit the Block and there were slight changes made...The leaked list was a PROPOSED ALPHA list, the final changes are of course reexamined by Izzy and the team and the list is shortened and finalized.

Savio · Sep 14, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

You can continue to discuss skill balance changes here or here. Since the original premise of the thread is gone, closed.