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manitoba1073 · Sep 25, 2006, 07:48 AM // 07:48

PS mods if this isnt the right spot feel more than free to move it as im not sure exactly where to do this at.

now ive played mesmer before. this is to see what items and how much gold a person can indeed get from start to finish in prophicies with out farming. now my mesmer will have these restrictions and if u guys can think of more fair restrictions let me know. and when she reaches the last mission on the fire islands ill have a picture of the Xunlai storage agent.

restrictions
1. no access to storage.
2. no farming (only drops picked up doing quests only)
3. no going out of the way to get stuff
4. no being ran anywhere
5. follow the linerity of the game
6. maybe 2-3 hours a night maximum playtime on this character

if u guys can come up with some other suggestions that way to be completely fair let me know. also feel free to say hi anytime shes playing. IGN is Tam Borine, hehe it was the name of my dervish

now i wont start playing her till maybe wednseday because i know some of u guys will have good ideas for it. so let me guys know what else migh be good. i picked mesmer as its the hardest class in props to get into pugs.

and heres her start picture shes sat for 30 mins hehe while i typed this up.

Cacheelma · Sep 25, 2006, 08:09 AM // 08:09

And what can you prove with this?

That you're a pack-rat and don't need storage to top that off?

manitoba1073 · Sep 25, 2006, 08:16 AM // 08:16

no access to my storage means having nothing availiable from previous chars to help along the way. we will see what happens is all it proves

arcanemacabre · Sep 25, 2006, 08:36 AM // 08:36

I did that once...

Oh yeah, the first time I played Guild Wars. Worked out pretty well.

Cherno · Sep 25, 2006, 09:02 AM // 09:02

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

no access to my storage means having nothing availiable from previous chars to help along the way. we will see what happens is all it proves

I guess I just don't get the point of what you are trying to prove. Why is it a mesmer? Why have you put the restrictions on that you have? At the end, what are you going to come back and say? "It took me 2 months because I couldn't get in any groups as a mesmer"? "I constantly had to sell stuff because I had no room in inventory"? "15K/fissure is easy to get without farming"?

You have to have some parameters to do an experiment. Otherwise you are just playing the game with nothing to prove.

manitoba1073 · Sep 25, 2006, 09:29 AM // 09:29

the perameters are what the restrictions i put on and i aslo asked if there was any more ideas for others. i usually play 6 or so hours a night on all my characters. now basically this mesmer is gonna be done as a casual player would play. and the reason for no access to my storage for this mesmer is i have a ton in it, and i want this one to start out as a player that just got the game, ofcourse i have more experience than they would. but i want the means to be the same.

Arcador · Sep 25, 2006, 09:30 AM // 09:30

Maybe his parents are reading this and they forbid him from playing the game. If this is the case: GOOD job on this school project buddy! With this theory aproved, you will have no problem entering the elites of the universities your parents always wanted you to go!

LuckyGiant · Sep 25, 2006, 10:14 AM // 10:14

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

restrictions
1. no access to storage.
2. no farming (only drops picked up doing quests only)
3. no going out of the way to get stuff
4. no being ran anywhere
5. follow the linerity of the game
6. maybe 2-3 hours a night maximum playtime on this character

if u guys can come up with some other suggestions that way to be completely fair let me know.

My suggestion, remove the no access to storage restriction, its not realistic. Clean out everything in your storage and your mesmer should have access to the blank storage to deposit items of value (as people playing normally thru the game do)
Otherwise your inventory space will be limited (due to spending slots on saving nice items u collect = less gold from selling junk to merchants. And your test would be worthless

And the following quote is for the above people who can't read

Quote:

Originally Posted by manitoba1073

this is to see what items and how much gold a person can indeed get from start to finish in prophicies with out farming

I'd be interested to know the result, but you have a few decisions to make, assuming testing for the casual gamer (too see his gold end game) Do they use collectors armor or buy it? Same with weapons? Keeping a tally of how much you spend so u can find the total gold they earn?

Just my thoughts, good luck on your experiment

Cacheelma · Sep 25, 2006, 10:14 AM // 10:14

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

no access to my storage means having nothing availiable from previous chars to help along the way. we will see what happens is all it proves

What do you expect to happen?

I started playing Prophecies with a mesmer, and he was my only character until 3 months after I got Factions. I didn't know how to "55-ing" back then, so you can say I don't really farm in the sense of most farmers'.

How do you think I survived that, with all Me/Mo skills on my character AND a set of 15k armor too?

And I'm SO SURE I'm not the only one, we all started with nothing in storage once.

Rusty Deth · Sep 25, 2006, 10:51 AM // 10:51

i know what the OP doing, but I think the test is a little bit extreme. I've done a watered down version of this.

I simply gauged my play time, looked at the locations I was playing, and came up with averages on how much money I make for certain amount of play time.

I took out other factors like buying keys, buying skills, and solo farming.

I found that high level areas ( anywhere the enemies are level 20 or higher ) generated between 1-2k for an hour of playing. This would include PuG's, going henchway for quests, or trying to get to one outpost to another.

That money was mostyly out of just going to the merchant and selling everything I had. Add in rare materials and the possible sup rune my numbers would increase a bit.

All in all I never have money issues in GW except for one. When I want 15k armor. I only bought one set so far, but am currently saving up for a set for another character.

I mean its an interesting idea the Op has, but I done this before with my first character. She's a monk and I never had any problems with cash with her, that is untill I started buying caps and more skills later in the game.

You don't really need loads of cash to play this game since 1.5 k armor is no different from 15k. and IMHO collectors and crafters have pretty good items compared to greens that sell for alot.

But it would be interesting to see how much that generates. I say go forth and restrict yourself form buying any skills, keys, and runes as well.

Oven · Sep 25, 2006, 11:08 AM // 11:08

I think you should clear your inventory or use 1 of ur other character as a mule for the duration of this experiment. Also, use collector's armour only when you have the required items without going to look for them. I'm curious to know how much money u can get.

Avarre · Sep 25, 2006, 11:54 AM // 11:54

With a mesmer as my first character, I had 2 pieces of 15k as soon as I reached Citadel... a black dye + salvaging and selling drops left me with quite a decent amount of money... the other two pieces weren't far behind, and I had a full set before I finished Hell's.

R_Frost · Sep 25, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

i agree with the using another character for a mule idea. a person playing the game the first time with no other characters would have access to storage and i think you should be able to use your storage too. other then that it should be interesting to see the results.

Tachyon · Sep 25, 2006, 02:26 PM // 14:26

I'm confused! Exactly what theory is the OP testing? Sounds more like an experiment to me.

Theory:

A proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.

Experiment:

A test, trial, or tentative procedure; an act or operation for the purpose of discovering something unknown or of testing a principle, supposition, etc.

Jetdoc · Sep 25, 2006, 02:29 PM // 14:29

2-3 hours means that you're joining max groups or bringing along the maximum number of henchmen, which should mean (after purchasing max 1.5K armor and runes, which I'm assuming is in your plan) you should wind up with very little to no gold unless you find a black dye or a superior vigor/monk runes that give you a massive cash infusion.

If you do it solo (without henchmen), I guarantee that you have 100K in gold with max 1.5K armor by the time you're done.

Vahn Roi · Sep 25, 2006, 02:31 PM // 14:31

I recently cleared Prophecies with my ele. (all missions and quests) and I only made about 10-15k from start to finish. I think the idea is just to make enough for what you need (i.e. Max AL armor) and even without money one could still get by using collectors.

Amity and Truth · Sep 25, 2006, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Aww seriously folks, don't get worked up about wording oO
If you're that keen on wordings, well... even ID abuses a hole in the scientifical Fact and Theory system to claim itself a fact. So don't get too serious on words.

About the experiment. It's something i'm interested in seeing the outcome. A question though, will you salvage stuff and maybe even craft staff to increase the worth of things? Will you sell gold items you get on your way to the end? Dyes? Or simply summarizing up the drops from start to finish? Will you do all the quests? Or just the skillquests? Collectors Armor (though that includes going out to farm stuff).

sour fruit · Sep 25, 2006, 02:44 PM // 14:44

In the Factions campaign i made just under 110k from the story line ^^

tomcruisejr · Sep 25, 2006, 04:32 PM // 16:32

i tried this too. after 1++ years, i got 5 pvp ready rp characters (including my first character which is also a mesmer) and 1 pvp slot.

Ozric · Sep 25, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

If this enterprise is solely for the purpose of seeing what an avg. player ends up with whose only purpose is to see the game from start to finish, pre-storage days, then I'd hasten a guess that your mesmer will end up with Drok's armor, a mediocre weapon unless you do indeed go a bit out of the way for a collector or two (as I think some might), and 15k gold plus or minus.

Happy hunting!