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Parn · May 23, 2006, 02:52 AM // 02:52

Luxons Repeatables
*Supply Run* (Insert Nerf Bat here) Now we get bodyblocked at everyturn.
Not only that, all they attack with are knockdowns and degens. If by chance ya do make it there without kiting angry carps ect. scuttle fish are attacking your npc. So ya can't turn your supplies in.
*Recruiting*
Bai Pasuu Reach Collect your four dimwhits who trail sooo far behind they can't help but aggro every mob....TAs if being spread out soo far wasn't bad enough. Then we put the weakest lowest hps person near an army of Wallows who degen and bloodspike ya to death.
*Kill the Kurtz*
Wonder around Eradon Terrace and Kill five groups of Kurtzicks, yea a bunch of assassins,necros,rangers,healers to keep you from your 400faction
Kurzick Repeatables
*Scouting Mission*
Lutgardis Conservatory
I can solo this by myself in 1min 30sec... All you have to do is quickly Run to a point and another appears (4 total) Last one I die just so I don't have to run back to rez shrine, then I talk to the master 2kexp 400faction
*supply Run* House Zu Hetzer to Conservatory
Another I can solo with henchies as meatshields just make sure you keep two alive for when you go under the bridge to take the heat. *ding* 2kexp 400 faction.

I'm Luxon, but I liked the kurzick armor. I did/tried these with a Ranger/Warrior
4runskills,two healing,shields up and defensive stance. Kurzicks have to escort no one, keep no one alive and don't have to kill anyone for these. These two quest are done fairly quick with noth much effort. Vrs a full team of Luxons to do their repeatables...
Please balance out the kurzick repeatables

Mysterial · May 23, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

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Originally Posted by Parn

Luxons Repeatables
*Supply Run* (Insert Nerf Bat here) Now we get bodyblocked at everyturn.
Not only that, all they attack with are knockdowns and degens. If by chance ya do make it there without kiting angry carps ect. scuttle fish are attacking your npc. So ya can't turn your supplies in.

I can take a team of henchies as distractions and run this mission in five minutes without a single running skill on my bar. The scuttle fish are a cakewalk to kill and I've never seen the NPC dead before I got there.

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*Recruiting*
Bai Pasuu Reach Collect your four dimwhits who trail sooo far behind they can't help but aggro every mob....TAs if being spread out soo far wasn't bad enough. Then we put the weakest lowest hps person near an army of Wallows who degen and bloodspike ya to death.
*Kill the Kurtz*
Wonder around Eradon Terrace and Kill five groups of Kurtzicks, yea a bunch of assassins,necros,rangers,healers to keep you from your 400faction

I'd agree that these missions aren't worth it, but you did forget "The Jade Arena" which is probably the easiest of all the quests.

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Kurzick Repeatables
*Scouting Mission*
Lutgardis Conservatory
I can solo this by myself in 1min 30sec... All you have to do is quickly Run to a point and another appears (4 total) Last one I die just so I don't have to run back to rez shrine, then I talk to the master 2kexp 400faction

I suspect that's a bug but I suppose the point is still valid.

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*supply Run* House Zu Hetzer to Conservatory
Another I can solo with henchies as meatshields just make sure you keep two alive for when you go under the bridge to take the heat. *ding* 2kexp 400 faction.

Same as Luxon, only this one is longer. (or so it seemed when I tried it) Still easy, though.

Also, you forgot "Duel of the Houses" which is a pain now that you can't cheat as easily. Still not bad, but Jade Arena is easier, primarily because the Luxon builds suck in comparison to the Kurzicks. I think there's also a couple fewer at the arena.

Cacheelma · May 23, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

In Jade Arena, you still can cheat, somewhat, by attacking from above the cliff.

Wait, don't tell me you guys are just a bunch of wammos and assassass?

Perth68 · May 23, 2006, 05:09 AM // 05:09

I dont really think there is a big enough difference to warrant change if there even is one and It dosen't really matter tp begin with, you cant trade the faction over so luxon and kurzick city control is unaffected. Sure the armor may be harder to get but it makes it more special that way.

Batou of Nine · May 23, 2006, 05:44 AM // 05:44

FIRST OF ALL, Look at the amount of faction to control House Zu Heltzer, Now look at the amount of faction to control Cavalon....

.... NOW you tell me which faction side has an easier time Faction Farming?

(And no, it is not because Luxon Guilds/Alliances FF more, it is simply ezier for em)

zakaria · May 23, 2006, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

FIRST OF ALL, Look at the amount of faction to control House Zu Heltzer, Now look at the amount of faction to control Cavalon....

.... NOW you tell me which faction side has an easier time Faction Farming?

(And no, it is not because Luxon Guilds/Alliances FF more, it is simply ezier for em)

no it's because of tons of donations that TC get from ppl outside their alliance to keep the deep free for all

Kaguya · May 23, 2006, 06:30 AM // 06:30

Unrepeatable aside, are there now enough Luxon 'normal' quests to get 10k faction for the Befriending?

I remember during FPE that I had to do Arena multiple times to get the 10k on top of normal quests, whereas I got over 10k on Kurzik doing the normal quests alone.

Mimi Miyagi · May 23, 2006, 06:57 AM // 06:57

I'd also suggest folks quit tossing around the word "cheat" for something that obviously isn't cheating.

Lame? OK. Cheat? You got to be kidding.

oljomo · May 23, 2006, 08:02 AM // 08:02

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

FIRST OF ALL, Look at the amount of faction to control House Zu Heltzer, Now look at the amount of faction to control Cavalon....

.... NOW you tell me which faction side has an easier time Faction Farming?

(And no, it is not because Luxon Guilds/Alliances FF more, it is simply ezier for em)

Hi

Has? I think you mean Had, since they made the luxon supply run harder the op is saying it has taken the balance too far. However you will still see luxon faction higher than normal for a bit until the de ay hits in.

oljomo

Numa Pompilius · May 23, 2006, 08:16 AM // 08:16

So your complaint is that you can't solo-farm some of the Faction missions?

Wow.

Spazzer · May 23, 2006, 08:37 AM // 08:37

Um. Okay, I just tested out the Luxon Supply Lines quest and the quartermaster is indeed under attack at the end. This prevents anyone from completing the quest until the monsters attacking the Quartermaster are killed.

Essentially, you need to grind more, noobie.

It used to take 50 minutes of faction grind to get 10k faction on either side. It's still 50 minutes for Kurzick, but I haven't got a clue what it would take for Luxon. My best guess is that it takes around 8 minutes (maybe more?) to complete the arena quest. Essentially, that becomes 3h20m to get 10k Luxon faction.

This is what comes of complaining that Factions is too short.

Mandy Memory · May 23, 2006, 08:39 AM // 08:39

You are forgetting:

The Jade Arena:
Soloable by a trapper

Dual of the Houses:
Soloable by a trapper

Both of those are the fastest and easiest way to get faction, therefore the other ones are pointless. They are exactly equal.

Kaguya · May 23, 2006, 11:29 AM // 11:29

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

You are forgetting:

The Jade Arena:
Soloable by a trapper

Dual of the Houses:
Soloable by a trapper

Both of those are the fastest and easiest way to get faction, therefore the other ones are pointless. They are exactly equal.

Didn't they 'fix' Duel of the Houses, making them aggro immediatelly so you couldn't effectively trap them anymore?

I dunno, I haven't tried

Esprit · May 23, 2006, 11:37 AM // 11:37

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

Didn't they 'fix' Duel of the Houses, making them aggro immediatelly so you couldn't effectively trap them anymore?

I dunno, I haven't tried

You just have to rethink your strategy a little.

SirJackassIII · May 23, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

FIRST OF ALL, Look at the amount of faction to control House Zu Heltzer, Now look at the amount of faction to control Cavalon....

.... NOW you tell me which faction side has an easier time Faction Farming?

(And no, it is not because Luxon Guilds/Alliances FF more, it is simply ezier for em)

Look again. TC holds Cavalon with 9.7 million and it seems to be dropping (as opposed to 11 million+ before the nerf)
House Zu Hetzer is at 6.5 million and rising.

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

So your complaint is that you can't solo-farm some of the Faction missions?

Wow.

His complaint is that you can solofarm Kurzick quests, but you can't solofarm Luxon quests.

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

You are forgetting:

The Jade Arena:
Soloable by a trapper

Dual of the Houses:
Soloable by a trapper

Both of those are the fastest and easiest way to get faction, therefore the other ones are pointless. They are exactly equal.

Duel is nerfed, as soon as you get to the NPCs, they attack, even if the Duelmaster hasn't started his little speech yet.
Haven't tried Jade Arena myself though.

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

Unrepeatable aside, are there now enough Luxon 'normal' quests to get 10k faction for the Befriending?

Nope, to get 10k Luxon Faction, you need to do those quests or do PvP. There are a lot more Kurzick quests than Luxon ones.

Pompeyfan · May 23, 2006, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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Originally Posted by Parn

Luxons Repeatables
Kurzicks have to escort no one, keep no one alive

Actually they do - same repeatable quest as the Luxon's 4 recruits, but in Drazach Thicket instead. There's also an escort 4 dumb merchants quest there and to get to the next mission point involves finding, escorting and keeping alive 3 volunteers.

RTSFirebat · May 23, 2006, 11:55 AM // 11:55

Yes Duel of the Houses has been "corrected" and you can no longer cheat trap before the fight starts.

In anycase to the OP, if you feel there is a problem with the unbalance and Kurzick quests then send a.net support a note asking them to change it.

Tijger · May 23, 2006, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by zakaria

no it's because of tons of donations that TC get from ppl outside their alliance to keep the deep free for all

That would be a valid point if Bkbd didnt have 10 million faction as well and they're considered the bad guys.

Also, look at the price difference between Jade and Amber, while Amber holds pretty steady Jade drops consistently in price at the traders.

clarianaeneas · May 23, 2006, 03:14 PM // 15:14

What are you talking about? It's so easy to gain Luxon faction. I just started trying Luxon with my Ranger after playing through the whole game (Kurzick) with my ranger and my Assassin, and I have to say the Luxon side is much easier. first of all, I managed to get through all the Luxon quests I could pick up in Cavalon within 2 hrs (with henchies), secondly, just by walking around randomly I ended up infront of Gayala Hatchery, as opposed to the Kurzick side where you have to walk through long stretches of forest with loads of mobs to reach the mission.

Besides, why do you want Luxon faction? Jade is cheap anyways, farm Kurzick faction, sell amber for 2.5k a piece and buy twice as much Jade.

Don Zardeone · May 23, 2006, 03:17 PM // 15:17

There is no kurzick vs luxon thing.
It's just a small part of the story.

Kurzick territory is a territorry. Luxon sea is a sea.
There is no war, there is no advantage/disadvantage.

It's all just lore.

The price of Jade has nothing to do with the price of Amber.