Curse

the heal0r · Oct 05, 2006, 06:34 AM // 06:34

a good monk with me secondary can remove hexes and interrupt spells to gain a good amount of energy without wasting an elite slot.not to mention DF almost doubles the amount of healing from orison.eles are good for spamming high energy skills like HP+aegis and thats what they are used for.if they were better healers everybody would use them instead of monks but you can see yourself that no one does

Lovag · Oct 05, 2006, 07:30 AM // 07:30

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Originally Posted by the heal0r

if they were better healers everybody would use them instead of monks but you can see yourself that no one does

The original poster never said that they where better but when a monk is needed an Ele or a Necro can be a solid substitute, which they are if you don’t believe me try them out.

Thallandor · Oct 05, 2006, 10:34 AM // 10:34

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Originally Posted by coleslawdressin

I can heal better with an e/mo than 99.99% (literally) of the PVE community's "monks"

Necro is fine, rit is fine.. if you know what to do.. Only bad players think monks are the only ones who can heal.

16+1(20%) healing, 13 divine. Enough said.

Thomas.knbk · Oct 05, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by coleslawdressin

I can heal better with an e/mo than 99.99% (literally) of the PVE community's "monks"

Necro is fine, rit is fine.. if you know what to do.. Only bad players think monks are the only ones who can heal.

Hell, I can heal with a W/Mo better than 99,99% of the PvE monks out there

Hephaestus Ram · Oct 05, 2006, 11:57 AM // 11:57

I've experimented with it and pretty much decided that no one
can heal as well as a good monk.

In a few missions I had people ask me to use my ele to heal, I've
tried it and done "ok". But I still pretty much decided "screw it",
if I wanted to heal I'd be a monk, when I play my ele I want to be
an elementalist. If I need a monk and there are none available I'll
take a hench monk, if the group can't deal with that then my ele
pretending to be a monk won't really make the difference.

Alleji · Oct 05, 2006, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Ritualists have access to Attuned Was Songkai while Monks do not. That's enough advantage.

Um... no?

The rit healing line is full of gimped, conditional heals that do less actual healing per spell than a monk without divine favour.Necro healers have the advantage of getting away with spamming 2 copies of heal other on their bar and not running low on energy as long as the rest of the team is able to kill stuff. E/Mo healers have eprod... which is inferior to soul reaping in PvE, not to mention it uses up your elite, but it's still something.

I'd say Monk (derf) > N/Mo > Rit > E/Mo

I recently did some PvE runs with my guild because we all had at least one character that wanted to get through factions and since we only had 1 monk in this group, a guildy went with a N/Mo healer 16 SR/12 heal. Basically, he couldn't waste the energy fast enough by spamming HP and 2x heal other. Of course, the "rate of killing stuff" was pretty high - we rolled through sunjiang district in about 11 minutes (r9 PvE group ftw

), but even at half of that a N/Mo healer could compensate for monk's efficiency with a limitless energy supply.

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

Hell, I can heal with a W/Mo better than 99,99% of the PvE monks out there

Those zealous weapons are leet energy management for a healing wammo, eh? :P

Moiax · Oct 05, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35

For the vast majority of the proph campaign with my Ele, I was an E/Mo and I healed. The first elite I ever capped was Word of Healing. I did a pretty good job, brought alot of 5e spells, and I never really had any problems after the fact of actually getting into a group. Now, statistically I was not as good as a monk primairy, but my groups didn't really notice. If it works, it works.

Jeremy Untouchable · Oct 05, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47

I once healed us thro foreign quarter as a war/mo, find a stuck foe, wail away at it to build energy useing Warriors Endurance, and throw healing breeze on the others, I didnt plan to do this, but one monk err7 and the other didnt load untill the very end of the mission

Coolniceronguy · Oct 05, 2006, 04:40 PM // 16:40

In the last week, I have joined partys in Hell's Precipice with my elementalist, Eternal Feminine, using a pure support role build(healing/protection/energy storage). Finished mission and bonus at least 15 times. The last time, finished bonus, and mission with 2 necros, Mhenlo, and me(doing zero damage).

So yes, I whole-heartedly agree with the OP. An elementalist can function as an extremely strong support class.

Vermilion Okeanos · Oct 05, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Turbo Wombat

Yes, I know the cast times of both professions almost by heart. I was just saying that spells like Soothing Memories don't seem to pop out as quick as stuff like Healing Whisper and Orison for some reason. Even though the cast times are identical, I just feel faster with my monk

You are not the only one feeling it.

Maybe someone should do a more serious test so the rest of us can feel at ease or do a torch riot.

Tingi · Oct 05, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Monk are best healers, end of.

Jessyi · Oct 05, 2006, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

16+1(20%) healing, 13 divine. Enough said.

Hell, that's the best attribute point optimization I've ever seen. Throw on Peace and Harmony for your energy management, maybe even a sup divine for 17/15 and ogogogogogogog!!

-Jessyi

Sekkira · Oct 05, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

lol peace and harmony for energy management.

King's Spectre · Oct 05, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

Hell, I can heal with a W/Mo better than 99,99% of the PvE monks out there

Ha! I've seen that. In Arborstone we had a monk drop and a W/Mo with a focus kept us going through the mission. Luckily we were a pretty good group anyway and had a lot of self heals, but he was pretty amazing to see.

During a recent Elona Reach run we had a healing ranger as the only "monk". Again, we were a pretty durable party, but he did great.

Sir Skullcrasher · Oct 05, 2006, 07:04 PM // 19:04

Can you technically switch out your secondary as a monk for either Necro or Elementlist to become an support healer?

Trvth Jvstice · Oct 05, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

Hell, I can heal with a W/Mo better than 99,99% of the PvE monks out there

There is one build that I can think of that might enable a w/mo to spam 5 energy heals. 16 in strength 13 in heal. Skillbar: warriors endurance, orison. e. light, dwaana's kiss, vigorous spirit, healing touch, mend condition, res. chant You could substitute heal other but you couldn't use it often with the 10 energy cost.

With 16 in strength, you can keep warriors endurance up constantly. Take a zealous axe with a +5 energy inherent mod, and a shield that gives extra energy while in a stance (if such a thing exists)

You'd have to fight and heal at the same time to keep your energy up. I know from experience that as long as youre fighting your energy stays high enough to constantly use 5 energy attacks, so you should be able to use 5 energy skills.

NOTE: I would never use a build like this and I'm not trying to encourage wammos to try to be a healer. I'm pretty sure mhenlo or alesia could do a better job.

Giga Strike · Oct 05, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

the monk is made to either spam low cost/medium strength spells for healing or cast medium-high power enchantments on tanking allies to keep their dmg down, while the entire time giving a little extra healing from divine favor.

elementalists, who have way more energy yet no extra healing power form divine favor, can afford to use high cost/ high power spells that would normally leave a monk weak.

overall it adds up to about the same but really it's a matter of quality or quantity.

Y.T. · Oct 05, 2006, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by jesh

If you're going with a pure healing prayers build, yes you can definitely contribute. Even with Ether Prodigy though, there's a limit to how fast you can heal. What I mean is.. theoretically you can heal more than a primary monk, but cast times keep you from reaching this point. You can definitely experience this if you try to heal on a mesmer primary with 16 inspiration. Sure, you're a valuable second healer/support caster.. but I don't think another proffesion gets close to monk as far as HP healed besides ritualists, like others have pointed out.

Now protection! This is a totally different subject. A lot of protection spells (all?) are enchant based. This works spectactularly on a monk primary with Divine Boon, as everyone knows. But, it works just as well, (though maybe in a different way), on other casters. Skills like Aegis place no value at all on the DF attribute. (unless you're making use of Blessed Aura)
I think a properly made elementalist, and definitely a mesmer can play a better protector than a primary monk. Argue all you want, that's my opinion. =P

i'm sry but its absolutely not true...

my main char is a monk, i have over 4 mil exp on her (w/o 55 farming, prefer to farm with ele and mes), so i know what i'm talking about. theres no build better suited for pve heals that boon protector. u can heal alone up to forge with more or less decent pug, u hardly ever run out of E. boon protter can heal in any area/mis, the only bad thing that can happen is u'll have to fight mobs with OoA and nasty asn...

warder ele with heal party and extinguish is great, but keep in mind that u'll be overhealing badly, if u have ur tank down to 40%hp u'll have to cast at least 2-3 healparty in the row, with means that u'll be wasting ur E on the rest of the team, if u'll bring heal other and dwaina f/ex u'll have to drop some of ur attack spells... plus u'll get down to 40-55E in no time cos of exaustion if u'll be healing during the long fights... e/mo with healparty is nice in areas with constant hp degen tho, but monk hench is better

necro/monk is better healer that e/mo, in my exp blood necro can pretty easy heal, boost E and do some damage in the same time, if there r some spare bodies left after ur mm got 10 minions, u'll get wells. nec/rit with spirits is nice also, in short - any necro is better than e/mo imho

rit is even better than nec, u can bring rit+boon protter monk in any area and survive w/e. i've monked with diff kinds of rit in diff missions, i cant say that i prefer certain rit build - as long as ur rit knows what s/he is doing ur team'll be fine. rit is better option that healing e/mo in all areas, and better than nec/mo in areas with lots of eles/ran i think.

mes/mo.... well mes can do w/e, mes can rez in less than 2 sec, mes can cast faster than any prof, but i dont think u can take mes/mo instead of ur boon protter monky, cos mes has no DF, even if u'll make ur mes/mo bring the same skills as ur boon protter (drop the boon of cos, take aegis f/ex), me/mo will heal less hp in the same time for the same E. however good me/mo is golden at removing hexes/rezzing/killing enemy spirits/, u should bring mes in any hexes-heavy area, just dont ask ur mes to be destinated team healer....

ElinoraNeSangre · Oct 05, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

Am I the only person who's met more good PvE monks than bad?

Age · Oct 05, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59

You don't need to be a boon protect to help keep the party well protected any good active protector can do this.You do receive some benefits from devine favour when using reversal of fortune or even when it comes to mend condition I can't see anyone else doing this.Then there are your bonders who can do that and use up their energy along with the blessed signet provides you with good amble supply of energy with so many maintained enchants up.The blessed signet being attributed to devine favour helps in providing that energy .Then there is blessed aura which can help out enchants like rof or guardian.

When it comes to healing nothing is best than a Monk although Rits don't do a bad jop as to support them.There is nothing that can infuse then hit boon and use healing touch like Monk can.When I use Rof I will see 2 numbers coming up with no boon on as to how much damage is negated.When I use boon I don't keep it up all the time only when needed or sometimes not at all if.Then you got your BL and Air Enchantment Monks to.There nothing that can really directly heal,protect and smite like Monks can no matter if you are /mo.

I will say this Necro can aid in helping out Monks with orders,mark of pain and well of blood and can carry somethings like heal party and a good hard res as well as say Mesmers.I wouldn't say Eles can't aid in it with heal party but not direct healing and it depends on what you are if you a nuker forget it earth and air yes water and fire no.

When it comes to spiking there no one who can heal and protect like a Monk.when you are in a party and can't find a Monk taking the henchies are better than /mo just take a res to keep them up.