Curse

Divinus Stella · Oct 09, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Dont most people just junk the commendations anyway?
Way too much effort to lag into a city full of spamming morons and find your way to some chinese man just to trade it in for an ID kit or some crap.

TEX Cougar · Oct 09, 2006, 11:53 PM // 23:53

Its not that much effort to find a quartermaster, and still even if you do want to junk them then you'd be more than happy finding someone wanting to buy them from you

fenix · Oct 10, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

The main reason people buy Commendations and similar items cheap, is because you can trade them for ale. Ale costs 200g from the Merchant, whereas if you can get yourself Commendations for 100g or 150g, you save ALOT of money. I'll do a bit of math:

Incorrigable Ale Hound title:

10000 mins drunk, so 10000 ales

10000*200 = 2,000,000g
10000*150 = 1,500,000g
10000*100 = 1,000,000g

In theory, you can make a saving of 1 million gold, just by buying the Commendations for 100g from people.

Riken Chrono · Oct 10, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

actually most of the people you see that spam that are trading it for ale, not trading for scrolls or w/e then selling those. This has nothing to do with scam if they're making a profit off it..its the same thing as buy low sell high. Guess half or more of the people in guild wars are scammers then :/

Talon hit the point.

Thallandor · Oct 10, 2006, 12:50 AM // 00:50

Echoing the rest of the posters. Most players buy them for 100g to trade for ales for titles, not neccessary scamming them for 50g as mentioned by the OP. Its the same as buying black dye for anything thats less than a decent amount from a player in pre. It happens cause of knowledge or rather lack of it. Scam? If so smart buying/selling in all aspects can be considered a scam. If this disturbs the OP to no end, perhaps instead of asking them to leave, this and most online games rather perhaps isnt for you.

Edit

/anyways vote for closure for obvious reasons.

Puddin Cheeks · Oct 10, 2006, 02:24 AM // 02:24

For the majority I feel that several people on this thread had very valid points. Yes it can be a cheaper way to achieve your drunkard title and also many people will sell for 150g just to avoid having to make a couple of transactions for a measly 1k.

The money never was the issue and I didn't realize how many people were actually going for the drunkard title. I guess once you have beaten all of the games and have an unlimited amount of money anyway getting drunk must be a fun thing to do.

As for comparing things to the real world. I can go to the store and get a Case of Bud Light without having to spam in the parking lot for tokens to make it cheaper.

I have enjoyed reading everyones posts, so please stop holding me by the throat for making comments that offend you.

/please close this thread for sanity reasons.

Phoenix Arrows · Oct 10, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

You can't say that everyone buys Commendations to exchange and resell as Sup Salv Kits, as I know a few people who don't do that. I, for one, buy Commendations for Ale, as I like Titles and I want this Drunkard one

. Anyways...pointless thread IMO. This is just a market trading thing; buy low sell high. Not scamming unless you get something different than what you had a deal to trade for. Close please.

Loki Seiguro · Oct 10, 2006, 02:32 AM // 02:32

umm i don't think it matters. some poeple know what they do but don't care for any of it. why just today i bought 500 imperial commodations lol. i asked him if he knew what they did and he said yeah but i don't give a &&&&.

and if some poeple don't know what they do they should ask before selling

- and yes its clever trading

elLOCOmutha · Oct 10, 2006, 02:34 AM // 02:34

I'll pay 150gp to anyone that can close this thread!

Obviously Anet has no consitency when punishing certain scammers and letting others go on doing what they do. If you swear and someone screenshots it and reports it you will get a warning maybe even temp suspend...but scamming is alright in anets eyes it seems. Anet neds to rethink how they are running this game or it will go down the dumps more than it is already imo.

Phoenix Arrows · Oct 10, 2006, 02:42 AM // 02:42

Well...this isn't exactly scamming...both sides agree on a deal and both sides get what they want.

TEX Cougar · Oct 10, 2006, 02:46 AM // 02:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks

For the majority I feel that several people on this thread had very valid points. Yes it can be a cheaper way to achieve your drunkard title and also many people will sell for 150g just to avoid having to make a couple of transactions for a measly 1k.

TBH mate i've not completed the game, but im still going for drunkard title when i cant truely be bothered with quests or anything.

Pretty much everyone ive seen buying the commendatioons or credits have been going for the drunkard title, at half price you cant really go wrong!

Still if anyones holding it to your throat, who cares? You've given your thoughts and opinions, be they wrong or right you've put them there for discussion!

The only thing i disagree with though are the comparions to real life, as its only a game

Caleb · Oct 10, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12

WTB Imperial Commendations - 125 gold. PST me!

warriorsmiley · Oct 10, 2006, 03:28 AM // 03:28

I for one dont see it being a scam its a way to fuel titles cheap. Some people use it to buy ale i myself use it to get forbiddens keys for 450 a pop instead of 600 each.

Master Fuhon · Oct 10, 2006, 04:18 AM // 04:18

A better question revolves around why people "aren't very nice in game" instead of why they are scamming. I've been in groups where an ectoplasm falls sometime during the course of a whole wipe. I let the matter sit for a matter of time, until I start to think that my group members have suddenly turned into bloodthirsty vultures waiting for the ownership flag to run out. In one group, we specifically had 3 people trying to convince a person that an ectoplasm had value. This person was just going to let it stay on the ground, until people said, "You will be glad you made the decision to pick it up when you go to the Rare Materials Trader".

Now I've been scammed by those damn NPC vendors in the past with dyes, although for some reason I kept the Black/Silver ones because they were pretty. I also been fortunate enough not to vendor any top selling warrior weapons, because warrior was the first class I played through the game. I kept my Commendations because I assumed they would have a purpose, and I explored towns and found these guys a week after I had started playing Factions.

It's a matter of: "Hey, welcome to the internet". People don't have to worry about empathizing with anyone else because the other person is just a name on the screen. Or more importantly, there is no fear of retribution for anything that you do to that person. The commendation signets thing is overkill compared to the more complex scams people are running.

This is a natural part of a competitive world, where people haven't experienced enough in their lifetime to know any better. "Someone's profit only comes at someone else's expense." Scammers continue to forge temporary relationships taking advantage of the weaknesses of other people. I hear too much of the high-and-mighty opinion that the competitive aspects of the world are the only ones that keep it going along. I can hardly remember the amount of times that someone has tried to gain an advantage over my supposed "naivety". It's clear that at some point in time, the person is only making the deal because they aren't aware of the value of the item. Otherwise, it would be "WTB booze 150g".

A place that lacks kindness, lacks a reason for me to go back there. What makes these forums go 'round, is the build/strategy sharing by the better players who have nothing more to profit from. What makes the game live on, is the talented players who waste their time helping you get through missions that you aren't skilled enough to beat on your own. At no point in time does a guy buying my commendation signets for a lower price contribute anything to anyone but himself. These people aren't scammers, but they are people who lack value (and you justify a title over it?).

Phaern Majes · Oct 10, 2006, 04:32 AM // 04:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Arrows

Well...this isn't exactly scamming...both sides agree on a deal and both sides get what they want.

I'd have to say I agree. You are responsible for knowing what things are worth. If you sell them for less you are the only one at fault.

To the OP if your really want to stop some of it, or at least get back at these low traders. Just inform the public they can trade 1 commendation for 1 scroll and then sell it for 200g. I mean am I scamming if I go around spamming WTB Kanaxi's Edge - 500g! No I'm not, I doubt anyone would sell it for that cheap, but should someone actually sell it, then thats not scamming just getting lucky on a buy.

Numa Pompilius · Oct 10, 2006, 08:28 AM // 08:28

Hahahaha, I get the impression _a lot_ of people are doing this. I guess those 50 g/ea add up.

I bet it's the same people who used to scam newbies out of black dye in pre searing too.

But no, this isn't a scam, and the correct response would be either for ANet to add a 200g/ea option from the quartermaster directly, or for people with rather higher morals to explain to the newbies what the value of a commendation is.

Roshi_ikkyu · Oct 10, 2006, 08:51 AM // 08:51

I advertise to buy certain items at a given price, often low.

Its not scamming, buy low sell high

OP should have learnt from his first thread, build a bridge get over it.

Stixxx · Oct 10, 2006, 10:06 AM // 10:06

IMHO ppl who sell their recommendations to these guys are obviously too lazy to check trader prices. Has nothing to do with experienced or not experienced.

Franco · Oct 10, 2006, 10:23 AM // 10:23

Well go to Shing Jea Monastery and Kainang and spam IMPERIAL ARE WORTH 200G AND GOD IS THE SALVATION OF EARTH, like those looneys in camden town, If someone wants to waste his money spammin W.T.B trying to make a 1k profit with a Sup salvage kit , then thats his problem lol.

Snowman · Oct 10, 2006, 11:38 AM // 11:38

No, I agree! its not a scam, its nowhere near being a scam.

I wouldnt even call it 'clever' trading, whats clever about it? taking advantage of another persons ignorance is not clever and is a common trading practise world-wide.

Should something be done to stop this particular problem? should we make more effort to inform the ignorant?... well no, I dont think so..

However this is another issue that would benefit from an better trading system, auction house or Escrow which Guildwars so desperatly needs.