Curse

Boofhead · Oct 04, 2006, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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Originally Posted by vancha

this is jus freeking sad. They can't just take away the most popular part of GW. c'mon, it may be fresh the first 1 week, then IWAY and dual smite is all we're gonna see.
Rather make a new arena, then to remove the best part of the game. The reason ppl liked the 6vs6 event was cuz of the double fame. now, making gvg the only 8vs8 part of teh game...

A-net, make SEPERATE arenas instead.

What's in HA now? IWAY and bloodspike. It's okay to be afraid of change; in time you will learn to accept it.

Emik · Oct 04, 2006, 09:51 AM // 09:51

So much moaning...

"all we'll see is smite/iway" this really points out the limits in your imagination.
If those teams are already present in 8v8 what on earth is going to change then?

I find it a good thing.

Amity and Truth · Oct 04, 2006, 09:52 AM // 09:52

I allways wondered how the D&D Spell "Wail of the Banshee" would look like. After seeing this thread i'm pretty sure it includes words as "nerf" or "elite" and assumptions as "everyone not of my opinion is a noob.". Thanks a lot dudes for solving this mystery.

I for one like the change. 6vs6 is a lot more intense than 8vs8. The typical HA play allways felt somewhat slow paced, downright boring. With those 8 players you could still easily beat most teams if one or two party members were drunk. You're going to feel that a lot more in 6vs6. There just is no leaning back. The battles will be faster and more action paced which is a good thing.

About the builds: Uh so what? We will face more Smiting Teams? Do you see that word "more" in it? Nothing is really going to change for the first weeks as it will be cookie cutter builds all over again. This aspect of HA is never going to change.

To the quit-whiners:
Bye. No one cares.
It's just a childish threat anyways.

Manic Smile · Oct 04, 2006, 09:57 AM // 09:57

Frankly tombs has sucked since A.net introduced rank...it used to be played for fun.

Now you're just as likely to run into some fool power gammer trying to grind himself to the next rank then any real pvp inthueist. When it becomes about maintaining that elitist seperation and not about the fun well...just read all the post in this forum and you'll see the problem. Half of the people in this forum need to grow up. Having rank 8 does not make your opinion any more important then some 'nub'...and if you're gonna quite over this...good bye.

Phoenix Ex · Oct 04, 2006, 10:19 AM // 10:19

Personally I doubt this'll make much of a difference to the cookie build concept, since fame is STILL here to tempt people to use the same build over and over.

What I hope DON'T happen is ANet taking away all the good maps such as relic run, king of the hill. What's worse, don't freakin add npc defense or some moral boost flag holding thing. (aka don't turn HA into GvG)

Personally I find GvG absolutly boring, cuz of the lack for true fighting strategy other than movement strategies. (block gate, sneak sin by to kill npc, split team blah blah). Every match on observer mode I see is pretty much a game of moving constantly back and forth back and forth back and forth trying to tempt people into making mistake. This I find boring.

In HA, mesmer have to multitask on ghost and players at the same time, and not just shutdown/shatter/drain. Monk have a tougher time due to spiking. Necro can actually do more than just warrior hate/curse unlike gvg. Ele is more than blindbot and snarebot because of their altar wrecking fire spells. Ranger spirits actually DO SOMETHING more useful, and trap actually get a use. Rit and SIn gets a bit more play time than in GvG. Most importantly, a coordinated defense team can actually do something unlike in GvG where they just go split team making it pointless.

I hope they make another 8v8 arena WITHOUT RANK similar to HA, I find 8v8 HA the best part of GW because of the variety. (and yes, iway followed by rangerspike followed by vim is, to me, more variety than facing a balanced team everytime in GvG).

BlueSS · Oct 04, 2006, 10:20 AM // 10:20

poll results after the 6 man HA weekend.

150 people voted yes and only 12 votes against it

martian tristar · Oct 04, 2006, 10:24 AM // 10:24

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Originally Posted by Alleji

Two words: GG Gaynet.

6-man metagame was complete crap. If they only changed the maps, i'd jump ecstatitcally and yell "wheeee!", but changing HA to 6-man will probably make me quit, unless the metagame decides to unRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO itself.

ROFL @metagame, it was just one weekend... And you think that based on one weekend you can actually even speak about 6vs.6 metagame? Instead of threathening to quit whenever somethings doesnt go the way you like, give it a chance and after a month or so give some contructive criticism.

HA was broken, it needed a fix, hopefully the map changes + 6vs.6 will do this. Be happy a lot of team will run VIM-way, its easy to beat.

Lady Lozza · Oct 04, 2006, 10:24 AM // 10:24

BlueSS, interesting result, but I'm sure the whiners will point out that it is not a significant sample size.

I'd like to point out to the whiners in advance, that the Guru population isn't a significant sample size either.

Divinus Stella · Oct 04, 2006, 11:00 AM // 11:00

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Originally Posted by BlueSS

poll results after the 6 man HA weekend.

150 people voted yes and only 12 votes against it

A poll of 150 pve players to decide the future of the pvp aspect of the game? thats kind of like holding an election in norway to decide the poloitcal fate of japan.

Emik · Oct 04, 2006, 11:04 AM // 11:04

You didn't even take the trouble of reading the above post before you replied
A poll can only be representative if AT LEAST 1000 people voted in it so no it's not a good example but it's at least been made and of the 173 that did vote only 12 voted against... It's not like the remaining 827 would vote against it now, don't you think?

A X E · Oct 04, 2006, 11:16 AM // 11:16

Sure more people voted for the change to 6v6, just like more people wanted rare items to be more easy to obtain, because the majority of the people that play this game (mainly PvE side) are,to put it bluntly, kids that dont like to spend time getting GOOD at this game to aquire these items (or fame) so they whine 'I want now now now'.

The thing is, ANET make their only soruce of income (not including the new shop) from selling NEW copies of the game, so they dont really care THAT much about the guys that spent hour apon hour getting enough money to buy a perfect rare weapon or time spent getting fame because these guys dont PAY monthly fees, it seems ANET want a noob game for kiddies.

This game just gets cheaper and cheaper and cheaper, I really enjoyed this game when it first came out, I quit pve for pvp because of the way item prices are always nerfed (The greens, then the increased perfect item update now salvagable 15^50 mods o.O) now they ruin HA to make it easier for the noob.

Either way anet, 6v6 wont make it easier for the noob per say it will make MORE brainless farming builds and the elite will still be the elite.. but you give us less options and ruin what I think was perfect in the first place.

You just needed to add better maps.........

selber · Oct 04, 2006, 11:25 AM // 11:25

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Originally Posted by Divinus Stella

A poll of 150 pve players to decide the future of the pvp aspect of the game? thats kind of like holding an election in norway to decide the poloitcal fate of japan.

Sorry to disappoint you, but this poll is - afair - out of TGH.

Such polls are just a rough sign. Everybody can clearly see what the majority of highskilled PvP-players wants. Nothing was decided by such polls.

Leijah · Oct 04, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39

I think this is nice. It gets rather boring after a long time of 8vs8 HA, same maps and facing mostly just the most popular builds all the time.

6vs6 HA weekend was a sweet breeze. We got to try new builds, have some great fun in a less serious atmosphere and we didn't face so many vimway/smite/etc. builds than we normally do when playing 8vs8.

I think everyone should take this as a new, fun and refreshing challenge. No hard feelings, it's up to oneself can one make it fun or not.

And we can still play 8vs8 in GvG.

Effendi Westland · Oct 04, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39

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Originally Posted by BlueSS

poll results after the 6 man HA weekend.

150 people voted yes and only 12 votes against it

Thats not the poll i voted on, I remember there being a 'I want a cookie!' option (cuz I definately wanted a cookie)

SilentAssassin · Oct 04, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

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Originally Posted by A X E

Sure more people voted for the change to 6v6, just like more people wanted rare items to be more easy to obtain, because the majority of the people that play this game (mainly PvE side) are,to put it bluntly, kids that dont like to spend time getting GOOD at this game to aquire these items (or fame) so they whine 'I want now now now'.

this makes me laugh.

so everyone who is for 6v6 is a kid from this point, k nice generalisation.

I like the change, something had to been done about HA so that more ppl get interest in it, elite players will always be elite players but if more ppl start playing HA who never played, this will be a good thing for the PvP community.

we will see what the future will bring, but I think it will be a nice change.

feAr^ · Oct 04, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

I totaly desagree with this change... 6v6 will be like TA, but with more 2 ppl..

I am on a HA guild, and now because of this we will probably disband/go gvg..

gg anet

Lenard DeMeth · Oct 04, 2006, 11:47 AM // 11:47

I'm really angry at Anet doing this. Personally I really enjoy the 8vs8 aspect that was HA. I can see how people would want to play 6vs6 but I dont see why they should remove the 8vs8 HA to achieve this.

Personally I think that they should have left an 8vs8 HA and done a 6vs6 arena also. That way people would have the choice. The only way to play 8vs8 now is going to be gvg, thats where my guild will be concentrating their play time from now on I'm sure. Although to be honest I will probably be mulling over just forgetting about Nightfall completely now and heading to NWN2 as that is finally out. This may just be the final straw for me after all the err5's and whatnot lately, perhaps I'm not the only one that will feel this way.

I'm really going to miss running the 3 monk backline, I loved playing in that kinda of healing team and its gone forever now. RIP 3 monk backline

Franco · Oct 04, 2006, 11:48 AM // 11:48

I hope there is double fame , atleast people that didnt start playing 3++ months ago, have a chance to get rank 3 without spending 1 month losing battles after the second map

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Lenard DeMeth · Oct 04, 2006, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by Franco

I hope there is double fame , atleast people that didnt start playing 3++ months ago, have a chance to get rank 3 without spending 1 month losing battles after the second map

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If there is double fame then ppl will just start LFG r8+ groups anyhow and r3 will mean nothing.

Noddy · Oct 04, 2006, 11:57 AM // 11:57

"Oh yess this is so cool, now i can actually play vim and get past scarred earth, im going to be rank 3 in no time."

Come on, give me a break, so now jst because you guys can't play HA and get past the first map we all have to play 6vs6?
You say there are too much vims in 8vs8, so it makes me think if you guys really played in the weekend. Its fun at first but then it gets boring. You can't hold, you can't win more then 50% of the builds played so basicly in HA you just lpay and pray for a build you can actually counter. Just because you guys are rank 3 and can't get to the golden maps it doesn't mean we all have to take the consequences.

I say nerf good players, who actually can win something in HoH, because they just win to much, make their skills be 30% less efective, that sounds like a good change in HA.