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Abnaxus · Oct 06, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

2. A full set of 15K armor costs about 100K, when you include materials. A typical rare skinned weapon with perfect modifiers costs a very similar amount. How can 15K armor be "perfectly priced", while these rare skined items are "outrageously priced"? Seems like a very fine distinction you're drawing there.

That's not correct.

A 15K armor actually costs 15k per piece, in the sense that you cannot negotiate with the crafter to have a discount and pay let's say 10k

Which is the "cost" of a rare skinned weapon? Maybe 600g of the key, maybe nothing because you drop it just killing a monster, maybe ... the price written in the bottom line of the description:

Sundering Dwarven Axe of Fortitude
Dmg 6-28 req. 8
15>50
Armor penetration 20/20
Health +30
Value 357 gold <--

There's no predetermined cost for a rare skinned weapon, it's all left to the negotiations between players.

So a 15k armor can be considered well priced, it's not available the very first day you start to play GW but requires a certain effort, whereas a rare skinned weapon can be outrageously priced simply because you can sell for 1 million something that you get simply killing one single mob, or opening a chest using a 600g key.

DeathByAmor · Oct 06, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

If GW is not supposed to be about "grind", why do you need an ultimate goal for grinding?

Then don't grind for it. Just play UW with regular groups and whatnot and clear them over and over until you get bored of it. If you have enough money and materials before you get bored then buy FoW. Otherwise don't worry about it. Me on the other hand I wanted FoW on 5 of my characters so I farmed ecto like a mad man until I had enough to sell to get all my shards and other materials. I didn't farm FoW at all hardly. Then one by one I got my FoW armors. I have all female characters and only bought the armors that looked appealing to me. It was never about trying to prove how "elite" I was or else I would have FoW for all my characters. I have FoW on my Warrior, Ranger, Ele, Necro, and Ritualist. I have my favorite 15k sets for the others as I wasn't a fan of their FoW armor. It is all personal preference really at the end of the day.

Franco · Oct 06, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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here's an idea... instead of having vanity weaps at merchants why not just make the 15^50 and other inherent mods available at the eternal weaponsmith in FOW available for a fixed price of 15k, 15 ecto, 15 shards. That way there's a sufficient barrier to a total market crash and makes super high end items like crystallines somewhat more accessable.

GENIOUS !!!

tenryo · Oct 06, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

as for people who pull the "GW is a non grind game" line.... I'd like to remind you that you can always get perfect items crafted for a measly 5k plus some iron and steel... or pay 5-50k for a perfect green with an acceptable looking skin. Want uber, prestige items? then you have to be "prestigious". try working for a change.

tenryo · Oct 06, 2006, 08:32 PM // 20:32

I really have no problem with inscriptions... the only problem I have is that they will be salvagable. I think they should be offered at weaponsmith at a flat fee... or, better yet, as I posted before, offered at the eternal weaponsmith.

Furthermore, it would be a nice addition if only customized weapons were inscribable

MSecorsky · Oct 06, 2006, 08:34 PM // 20:34

What inscriptions will ultimately do is make players like myself, the casual maybe a couple hours a night, not every night, have a whole lot more fun. For example:

The other night I got a white max damage fellblade, no mods whatsoever. I now have visions of Koss running around with a white 15>50 fellblade with all the fixings, so to speak. Would I ever buy something like this for a hero? Hell no. I do cartwheels if I accidentally go over 50 Plat in storage.

>>> Hey cool! I just won a bike! <<<

OK, back. Just picked up a new bike.

Anyhow, folks like me that don't buy weapons (just seems silly...) will make out the best from this. I'll be able to equip my heros, for example, with top line items scavanged together plus the occassional green and will be quite happy for it. Couple things waiting for the mod table... a set of Golden Talons I got in a chest, a req 9 Platium Longbow, 15>50 already (another chest), a req 8 Grinning Longbow (not 15>50 yet...)... couple staves and the like... and none of it will cost me more than the cost of salvaging.

How does this cost anyone else gold? It doesn't. Where I was never a prospect to purchase anything from the high-end collectors, what I do in my private collection will have no effect on anyone else.

Until I sell excess 15>50 inscriptions for 5K, perhaps, for spending money. Or trade for keys. I like keys.

Gli · Oct 06, 2006, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by tenryo

as for people who pull the "GW is a non grind game" line.... I'd like to remind you that you can always get perfect items crafted for a measly 5k plus some iron and steel... or pay 5-50k for a perfect green with an acceptable looking skin. Want uber, prestige items? then you have to be "prestigious". try working for a change.

Oh boy... how about you try to read the whole discussion for a change, before adding your 2 cents? Because everything you're posting here has already been addressed several times by several different people.

MSecorsky · Oct 06, 2006, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by tenryo

I really have no problem with inscriptions... the only problem I have is that they will be salvagable. I think they should be offered at weaponsmith at a flat fee... or, better yet, as I posted before, offered at the eternal weaponsmith.

Furthermore, it would be a nice addition if only customized weapons were inscribable

If you limit them to the weaponsmith, then you place them in the higher end category. The majority of people don't even bother with FoW, so it's rediculous to exclude them from the obvious benefits salvaging enscriptions will bring.

UndeadRoadkill · Oct 06, 2006, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by Evls Pwn

you can't call it a MMORPG.

Good thing they don't call it that, eh?

Ghull Ka · Oct 06, 2006, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by Evls Pwn

People play Gw in order to not have to pay subscriptions. It's that easy. If you say you think Gw is a better game than WoW straight-up, that's a bold faced lie. I would play WoW. I can't afford it. I'm just saying that if your gonna change Gw like this you can't call it a MMORPG. That's another bold faced lie.

oh and btw. Here's the lazyness. "I have to trade to get items I want" "I want them handed to me on a silver platter". I really wonder how people like you function in Rl.

1. Guild Wars is not an MMORPG.
2. Me being upset about having to trade to get the items (read: mods) I want isn't "lazyness". I don't like dealing with trader-gamers. I don't like playing the "offer" game, and I don't like a bunch of megalomaniac jerks price-fixing and gouging me out of plat that I'd rather not spend time farming, just to get standard mods.
3. Get off your lazy ass an get a job, then you could afford WoW. I guess you just want your gaming experience handed to you on a silver platter, huh?

Phoenix Ex · Oct 06, 2006, 09:34 PM // 21:34

I think ANET should just put mods at a merchant at a set price and just let it be. From crappy non-perfect mods at 500g to perfect 15>50 and other ones at 100k, perfect for gold sinking and let people be as anti-social as they wish.

Akhilleus · Oct 06, 2006, 09:40 PM // 21:40

the weaponsmith idea, is possibly even worse...
what that would do to the price of ecto...
while it would maintain (to a lesser degree) the value of golds, since i can almost guarantee by the time it's said and done inscriptions would be 500k+ each with this method, it would skyrocket the price of ecto, and simentaneously the price of FoW and make inscriptions something only the wealthy are accessible too, which seems like it would defeat their whole purpose to begin with. also, in relation to 100k+ecto trades, you'd find wealthy players buying up cheap, white, highly desireable skins from poorer players, remodding them with 15>50 stats, and selling to other rich players for insane profits, even further segregating the GW classes. it would be benificial almost exclusivly to the wealthy, and in the logn term would no nothign other than cause price deflation of the types of items the poor have, and price inflation of the items the rich have, and even further purge guildwar's middle class than what was done origionally by the onset of greens.
...in short, a very bad idea from an economic standpoint.

the last thing i want to see is the guildwars economy go down the crapper, een if it would benifit myself and people i know.
so far, the best suggestion i've seen so far, is that inscripting a weapon would customize it, and change the item color.
if they made a green crystalline sword, i think you would find that the gold high-quality ones would retain their value...this would hold true if the inscriptions in some way changed the weapon itself (meanwhile people can stop their whining about not being able to get the skins they want).
why?
because true collectors LIKE to put work into something rare&exclusive.
you can buy a violin from any music store for a few hundred bucks, or a coupple grand, depending on quality. they will play just fine, but, if you want a violin made by a 19th century luthier (string instrument maker), you're going to pay 50, 60, 100, 200, 300 thousand dollars, depending on that persons reputation and whom may have owned or played the instrument. it may look or play the same, but to the person who goes the extra mile, its a physical embodyment of their own dedication, and as such, they will never feel as if they've wasted a dime.

as for the new slew of "omg you just want to show off your elite stuff" arguments...
i owned an 8 15>50 crystalline for TWO MONTHS, before anyone knew i had it. im in a guild (4 guilds or so) with over 300 members, and im pretty sure less than 2 dozen of them have ANY inkling of my situation, except for the ones who frequent guru. most, have never even seen my characters other than for joining missions. so, to say every rich player is simply in this for the bragging rights, is plain false. ive never hidden my wealth, and ill show anyone my collections who asks (in a timely manner), but i hardly go out to random channels saying "OMG IM UBER LEET CUZ IM RICHER THAN YOU!" if anything, 9 times out of 10 when i see a braggart, its some guy in 15k armor with a green weapon or two whose getting on some new guys case for having droks armor...its in situations like this when ill display my wealth to the person and remind them that items have zero ability to determine the skill of the player, attitude, however, does (which is why i will NEVER party with people such as the aforemantioned).

tenryo · Oct 06, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by Gli

Oh boy... how about you try to read the whole discussion for a change, before adding your 2 cents? Because everything you're posting here has already been addressed several times by several different people.

Read 51 pages of flames just for the gratification of posting one of my own? surely you jest :P

lord_shar · Oct 06, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05

It is doubtful that any color switching will occur for using an inscription. The whole purpose of the inscription system is to allow for greater weapon customizability. What purpose would text color switching serve?

Mordakai · Oct 06, 2006, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by lord_shar

It is doubtful that any color switching will occur for using an inscription. The whole purpose of the inscription system is to allow for greater weapon customizability. What purpose would text color switching serve?

To satisfy those who somehow think that all Golds are better than Purples.

People like to feel their stuff is special. I honestly don't care, if having Inscriptions change the color of an item means the Traders will accept Inscriptions with less bitching, I'm all for it.

Gli · Oct 06, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by tenryo

Read 51 pages of flames just for the gratification of posting one of my own? surely you jest :P

You'd think this would've gotten as big as 51 pages if it were just flames, before it was closed down? There have been some great points raised by both sides of the issue from the start, until 1 page ago.

It's all over now though. Alas, poor thread, we hardly knew you.

lord_shar · Oct 06, 2006, 10:42 PM // 22:42

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

To satisfy those who somehow think that all Golds are better than Purples.

People like to feel their stuff is special. I honestly don't care, if having Inscriptions change the color of an item means the Traders will accept Inscriptions with less bitching, I'm all for it.

The problem with "marking" inscription-modified items with different text colors is that it serves no functional purpose. Why implement code that offers no functionality improvement?

In the end, the GW player base has no choice but to accept whatever Nightfall introduces, even if they don't purchase the product. Nothing short of a huge GW-sales drop will force ANET/PLAYNC to back-pedal on such production changes.

cellardweller · Oct 06, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24

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Originally Posted by Gli

You're forgetting one major point that PC gamer mentioned: salvaging without destroying the weapon and swapping inscriptions. I'm going to need far less weapons if I can swap upgrades and inscriptions among them. If my +3 vampiric/+7 vs. physical sword would be better with a stance bonus in a certain situation, I'll do a little swap and presto. Heck, I could do with just one or 2 nice skins and only keep some crappy weapons around as a 'hatstand' to keep the mods/inscriptions. Of course my game play would be impacted, I would have easy access to every possible weapon imaginable without having to spend tons of time trying to get them all.

Didn't think I could love the changes more.... and yet now I do.

Rok · Oct 07, 2006, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by tenryo

Read 51 pages of flames just for the gratification of posting one of my own? surely you jest :P

Can't read or count. This is only the 50th page.

On topic regarding opposing arguments...none of them hold water. The economy will be just fine, better for the majority of casual players. Don't like it? Don't buy nightfall. Let your voice be heard.

Savio · Oct 07, 2006, 03:58 AM // 03:58

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Originally Posted by Rok

Can't read or count. This is only the 50th page.

This thread probably has at least 5 pages' worth of deleted posts.