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Abnaxus · Oct 03, 2006, 10:17 AM // 10:17

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Originally Posted by tenryo

With character effectiveness a moot question, the last bastion that sets the avid, well connected, and skilled player apart from his lowly noobish counterparts is the presige inherent in his appearance. I see a warrior decked out in full FOW and weilding a crystalline and a gloom shield... and you bet I'd rather group him than the guy next to him cringing in his 1.5k droks droppings even though statistically they are the same tank.

And you are totally wrong, I have seen several examples of players with FoW armor that were TOTAL NOOBS.
It happened to me once in Fissure, just 3-4 months after the release of Factions and one of the first times I went to FoW, we had in our team a warrior with full FoW armor, which was a rarity for those times, and we asked him to be our guide and call the targets, he said "no" and after the first fights it was clear that he was a very weak warrior and totally unskilled.
More recently, I have met another in Leviathan's Pit english 1 who was spamming "Warrior with armor FOW LFG to the next mission" (a run doable in 10 minutes with henchies) and in this run he managed to die 5-6 times and my noob mesmer with 1,5k droks (who has finished bot campaigns) had to rebirth him ...

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Originally Posted by tenryo

Having a crystalline is a status symbol: a huge sign on the front of your forehead that screams "I am not a noob".

Fissure armor and crystalline swords can be bought on Ebay. There are players who actually don't play the game, just sit in KC and buy low/sell high, amass gold and pay to go to FoW and buy the armor. The first time they really have to face an opponent, everyone can see they're total noobs.

If your concept of noob and skilled is this, you might rethink your way to intend GW, now it's totally flawed.
No comment about your considerations about capitalism, communist distribution of wealth, unfortunately somewhat common to hear in this forums from some americans, frustrated by the capitalist system.
If you want to be a capitalist, be it in the real world, instead of wasting your time amassing bit-gold in a videogame you have just paid 50$ for.

Abnaxus · Oct 03, 2006, 10:54 AM // 10:54

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Originally Posted by leprekan

Funny thing is how little skill is required for this game. Yet they call it a skill game ... sorry I come from first person shooters IE reaction time aim counted as skill not ohhhhhhh I click number 3 then number 5 and I am leet. No that isn't directed at anyone ... just a random rant

I agree with you! This game doesn't require any skill! Press 1 (PS) then 2 (HB) than 3 (SoJ) watch mobs die, collect drops and sell to merchant, do it for 10hrs a day, then buy FoW armor and I'm 1337!

But ... one moment ... maybe interrupt or diversionate a boss? Manage your energy so you're not out of it in critical moments? Decide which target to attack and when? Teamplay in GvG?

Actually I don't know if we play the same game ...

Evls Pwn · Oct 03, 2006, 12:16 PM // 12:16

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Originally Posted by Tommy

but there is still a small number of them

the majority is casulaist that play less than 1 hour per week. and the hardcores buying all chapters for all their accounts? i dont think so. they probably just got the extra accounts for storage.

not true, I was upper middle a few months ago when i finally broke thru into the upper class hardcore. I know i will buy the future expansions and so will most veterans. See, the thing is, hardcore players need a break from farming every once in awhile

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Avarre · Oct 03, 2006, 12:27 PM // 12:27

I am posting in this high-quality thread!

I don't recall anything saying that all items would be free without grind. I seem to recall all max-statted items would not require grind. Rare skins and their inherent mods are in the game for those that do prefer to merchant and have collosal amounts of funds.

You can't get everything you want, but you can get everything you need.

Anyways, why the hell is this still open?

Gli · Oct 03, 2006, 12:33 PM // 12:33

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Anyways, why the hell is this still open?

Because some people are trying to discuss the pros and cons between the dross posts?

Two April Mornings · Oct 03, 2006, 12:53 PM // 12:53

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I don't recall anything saying that all items would be free without grind. I seem to recall all max-statted items would not require grind. Rare skins and their inherent mods are in the game for those that do prefer to merchant and have collosal amounts of funds.

Exactly, and for that population of the game that does have those funds, or that likes the challenge of attaining those funds or rare weapons, the introduction of salvageble inherent mods will quasi-ruin the game for many. Guild Wars is not the same for everybody, which is what many in this thread don't seem to understand.

Tommy · Oct 03, 2006, 12:58 PM // 12:58

man, playing 1000+ hours are too much for anet to make profit.. they want casualist who play 10 hours< 16 months>, as long as Guildwars got a 8 or 9 in major website such as gamespot. THERE WILL BE ALWAYS PPL BUYING IT.
so what they do is make this game got excited fast, so ppl buy it and play only for a short period of time. say, 2 months and drop it to play something else. they DONT WANT HARDCORES WHO PLAY 1000+ hours, GW is designed for *CASUALIST* ppl who played 1000+ hours are obvioulsy not the ONE Anet is looking to do business with. less ppl play at same time=less server open=less cost=high net profit... you guys already paid, anet dont give a damm about you afterward

iamo... well just my 2 cents

Tommy · Oct 03, 2006, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

well its all a bad thing as i have stated. hell wait till whats next. yeah i bet there gonna give everyone rank 3 just cause the whiners cant get in groups for PvP. come on ppl. this wont lower the prices for a long time, in fact it will raise the prices of weapons and such. i like the idea of inscriptions but it is gonna be implemented way wrongly, if it goes like what was said in PC Gamer.
lets no joke around here, u doubt what i am saying fine, but yet from all those on this thread who have said its a great idea, y the hell havent u gotten me in game to sell junky 15^50 yet or those req 8 rares junks. ill tell u why. cause you know im right. u can get a req 8 falchion 15^50 right here and now for 15k what do u think it willl be when this inscriptions salvage comes out. itll be 50k minimum because of the mod salvageable on it. and yes the smart ones right now are buying up lots and i mean lots of these right now. as ive said i stand right now to make 10 million gold of what ive gotten alrdy for just 600k. this will not hurt the rich. so u casual gamers dont like grind, well you will love it soon, when u cant even get a crappy skin with 15^50 for cheap anymore. hell ive gotten quite a few 15^50's req 8 for 5k lately and being rare skins, to top it off. so enjoy when your haveing to pay 50k+ for even crappy skins. ive posted enough examples and no need to do any more at this time. oh for the lazy few who want to actually know how to get things like that its easy/. liek this

WTB REQ 8 weapon 15^50 for 5k thats what i call really having to grind,

PS time again GAILE ALEX where are u.

what if you can salvage 15^50 mod from greens and collector items? but anyway in the long run 15^50 will drop to 30 to 50k anyway.
A quest green items should solve this problem. lets say you complete an elite mission or quest and you got something like the amulet to change for a perfect Green items or perfect max armor with all perfect runes<sup vigors etc> that is customized for your character. It can be any skin any mod any req you prefer<9 of course

> so players can complete this game without buying or dealing with Any human in this game.
and being in this forum is somehow hardcore imao

a truly casualist doesn't even know guildwars guru exists

... and they probably wont waste time reading this thread.

Kondor · Oct 03, 2006, 01:13 PM // 13:13

Something else to consider here.. this means that no longer is there any point in saving items for collectors since the self same items may be hand built, so they may as well remove the collectors for one thing. For another, it now means at the extreme that someone who has played for 20 minutes and not done any missions, quests or anything can produce a weapon say equivalent to dragos flatbow. So why bother working your butt through the game to get to SF in the hope of getting Dragos? It is devaluing the EFFORT put in by people, and at the end of the day 80k plus for a weapon may seem ludicrous but people can only charge what enough people are prepared to pay for it. There are two elements to the changes , one good and one awful IMO. Being able to select which mod you salvage is a good idea, no more heartbreak when you get the icy hilt instead of the sundering 20/20. But inherent mods are what keeps an element of chance to drops.
Who now is going to pay 1500g for a chest key when the item they get can definitely be replicated at no cost?
It will kill part of the fun in FoW runs and many areas.... in fact no onger do you need to be a capable player with a good build and team ethic, able to hold your own in a FoW quest, since what is the point of going there now?
The area doesnt count towards exploration, the shards can be readily bought with ease, taxi runs to the forge will probably take off for those wanting the armour.
In short i think it will kill a huge element of gameplay and it is hugely restricting the amount of things that you can work towards in game.
Urgoz? The Deep? who needs the drops now? what point in assembling a 12 man team and working your way through them?

Gli · Oct 03, 2006, 01:14 PM // 13:14

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Originally Posted by Tommy

man, playing 1000+ hours are too much for anet to make profit.. they want casualist who play 10 hours< 16 months>, as long as Guildwars got a 8 or 9 in major website such as gamespot. THERE WILL BE ALWAYS PPL BUYING IT.
so what they do is make this game got excited fast, so ppl buy it and play only for a short period of time. say, 2 months and drop it to play something else. they DONT WANT HARDCORES WHO PLAY 1000+ hours, GW is designed for *CASUALIST* ppl who played 1000+ hours are obvioulsy not the ONE Anet is looking to do business with. less ppl play at same time=less server open=less cost=high net profit... you guys already paid, anet dont give a damm about you afterward

iamo... well just my 2 cents

Why are you assuming all 1000+ hour players are interested in manipulating virtual riches? I know PLENTY of 1000+ people who just, you know... play. My friends list and guild roster are full of them, people running character after character through the campaigns. There are PLENTY of 'hardcores' out there who would welcome the assumed changes, as this thread can tell you. There are plenty of hardcore players posting in support of it. (1700+ hours logged myself, very little of it afk.)

Tommy · Oct 03, 2006, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by Gli

Why are you assuming all 1000+ hour players are interested in manipulating virtual riches? I know PLENTY of 1000+ people who just, you know... play. My friends list and guild roster are full of them, people running character after character through the campaigns. There are PLENTY of 'hardcores' out there who would welcome the assumed changes, as this thread can tell you. There are plenty of hardcore players posting in support of it. (1700+ hours logged myself, very little of it afk.)

you totally misunderstood me

.. my point is that Anet is not making money from ppl who playing 1000+ hours. Anet wants ppl who play 10 hours. the 10 hours ppl and 1000+ hours ppl paid the same money for GW. guess who anet wanna keep

? the 10 hours ones!. you dont deal with customers who you dont make money from right? GW is a business not charity. you get what you paid for. nothing is free in this world well atleast not in our system

!. you have to pay latter or sooner. you guys keep saying that Hardcores will buy more chapters, but dont forget they playing ALOT. Anet made absolutely NO MONEY from players like them no matter how many copies they buy, but how many can they really buy? 3,6 or 10? if they playing 2000+ hours, anet is making nothing from them. from an ecomic point of view, HARDCORES are not the one anet should be targeting at. the casualist is more profitable. IF GWs keep getting 9+ score in gamespot and New guys can HAVE W/E THEY WANT. THERE WILL BE ALWAYS, YEAH ALWAYS Alot of PPL BUYING GWs.
you hardcores like it or not they dont care, in fact. MOST HARDCORES DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT ITEMS AND Personal wealth like akh said. THEY ALREADY GOT their kiss-myazz money and they can probably survive for another 10+ chapters. WE ARE ANGRY CUZ ANET is not making thing this way when WE BOUGHT THE GAME, NOT CUZ WE LOST ANYTHING. We invested our time on thsi game and ANET SCREWED all up. Our time=our money. Anet wasted 16 months of our lives. that is why we are angry!

Tommy · Oct 03, 2006, 01:23 PM // 13:23

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Originally Posted by Kondor

Something else to consider here.. this means that no longer is there any point in saving items for collectors since the self same items may be hand built, so they may as well remove the collectors for one thing. For another, it now means at the extreme that someone who has played for 20 minutes and not done any missions, quests or anything can produce a weapon say equivalent to dragos flatbow. So why bother working your butt through the game to get to SF in the hope of getting Dragos? It is devaluing the EFFORT put in by people, and at the end of the day 80k plus for a weapon may seem ludicrous but people can only charge what enough people are prepared to pay for it. There are two elements to the changes , one good and one awful IMO. Being able to select which mod you salvage is a good idea, no more heartbreak when you get the icy hilt instead of the sundering 20/20. But inherent mods are what keeps an element of chance to drops.
Who now is going to pay 1500g for a chest key when the item they get can definitely be replicated at no cost?
It will kill part of the fun in FoW runs and many areas.... in fact no onger do you need to be a capable player with a good build and team ethic, able to hold your own in a FoW quest, since what is the point of going there now?
The area doesnt count towards exploration, the shards can be readily bought with ease, taxi runs to the forge will probably take off for those wanting the armour.
In short i think it will kill a huge element of gameplay and it is hugely restricting the amount of things that you can work towards in game.
Urgoz? The Deep? who needs the drops now? what point in assembling a 12 man team and working your way through them?

you know pvers have ONE ADVANTAGE over the pure pvpers right?<pure pvpers dont have any pve chars they created them in pvp slot> PVERs can change items set, swap armor piece in pvp. lets say you die and you have dp. you can change your headgear with sup rune to a minor one. but this is only avaiable for PVE chars, pvp chars can't do that. THAT IS DISADVANTAGE for pvpers, i think what anet is trying to do is that make pve easier, itmes easy to get. so the pure pvpers will make pve chars for pvping.
btw, a more desirable skin and armors are ALSO Advantages in pvp

you can freak out ppl with your FoW armor O.O. with the new update, there will be absoulely no benefit from playing more or less. Skills will become the only factor that matters in pvp.
and not everyone doing the deep for items. some pvers like me just like complete the deep to have fun

! I dont want the silly green items from the deep.
and my definition of hardcore traders=1 million networth to 10 millon networth=not hardcore
11 million to 20 million networth=semi-hardcore. 20+ million=hardcore. <but not really that rich imao> you need 40 to 60 million networth to be rich in GW.
some of you may laugh at that

most will, but let me do a little math for you all. assuming that you farm 6 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year. 1 day you can get 40k farily easy<farming or trading> 1 week you make 280k, 1 month you can make about 1.3 million. 1 year you can make
16 million in cash<you can probably make more from other investment>. if you already farmed for 16 months. you should have atelat 20 million in cash. so 20 million isn't that hard to get. < I assuming that you find NO Gold items from farming, just the crappy non-max junks from monsters and sell t hem to merchants,> the price right now is VERY REASONABLE, you guys need to repay ppl like me for wasting my own item farming for you right? we dont really need any inscription, an auction house is much more needed imao. stop whinning and start farming plz

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The Abbott · Oct 03, 2006, 01:40 PM // 13:40

IMO the only things which will raise in price will be the 15>50 *inscriptions* and max damage *rare skin* req7/8 weapons

everything else will lower in price....

this is to make the inflating market and stupid 100k xx ecto prices drop down to something realistic by taking away the exclusivness of the 15>50 weapons...

but people being people there will ALWAYS be something expensive.. ie the 15>50 mods themselves and rare skin weapons to apply them too

I can see max damage req 8 crystalines with NO inherent mod,... being the same price as a 15>50 one ... simply coz you can just add an inscription and equal it

Gli · Oct 03, 2006, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Tommy

you totally misunderstood me

.. my point is that Anet is not making money from ppl who playing 1000+ hours.

I understood, I was just trying to point out that the possible mod changes we're talking about here doesn't necessarily drive away hardcore players. It's just the subset of the hardcore crowd that values their virtual riches above everything that might play any less for it.

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Originally Posted by Tommy

Anet wasted 16 months of our lives. that is why we are angry!

So all those guys didn't have fun playing any of those 16 months? They just 'worked' endlessly to have some kind of status symbols no one but them really cares about? How odd...

Tommy · Oct 03, 2006, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by Gli

I understood, I was just trying to point out that the possible mod changes we're talking about here doesn't necessarily drive away hardcore players. It's just the subset of the hardcore crowd that values their virtual riches above everything that might play any less for it.

I totally agree, but not nobody force you to buy them right? so why bothers you

? green itesm dont make you any less hardcore than them. I myself use all GREEN tiems, i have not a single Gold items except 6 gold items on my warrior<which i bought when there aint any green items>. ALL my items are green or collector items and i am hardcore.I farm cuz i like to harvest gold, i dont buy anything. what drove hardcore away is anet changing things all the time. gamers like a stable gaming environment. farming is kinda boring and annying. like when i farm i dont talk to anyone. i dont even have a guild for over 13 months. pure farmers dont do anything other than farming. Most ppl in my guild dont talk, they just log on, farm and log off. yeah we dont have any fun from the 16 months of farming. we just farm to get money. having alot of gold is an accomplishment like R10, protector title and 100% map. nobody care what rank you are but pvpers themselves, having alot of gold does mean something among the farmer's community.
since we are farmers like our little own farming community, we dont give a damm about your rank10 emotion

we can pwn you with our multi-millions wealth. same logic, one thing matters to player A doesn't always matter to player B. it is just way of playing GW.
yeah some of the best pvers i have ever played with dont care about items. they can henchie any mission with bonus in Tryia, they dont even have major vigor<they use minor> only collector item with crappy mods<hp+20 and such> and they can pwn any uber-rich players in this forum.
<we played with some rich fow monk and my friend kicked him from the party cuz the monk use eternal light

...>I personally have played with some of the richest traders in this forum and their performance in pve really dissapointed me.

Jeremy Untouchable · Oct 03, 2006, 02:11 PM // 14:11

I know the richest guy in my circle of friends is also prone to consuming mass quantitys of "noobflakes" right before we head into a mission area. On the other hand one of the best players i know has about 1k left in storage. Maybe because one of them plays the game, other one hangs out in towns playing "screw the noob" buying low and selling high... allso the guy who is crying the loudest in these forums, just needs to rethink this whole game...Its not monoply You cant have parkplace and boardwalk with all hotels forever pal...........have some fun.........help new poeple out.....get new players geared up in the game....go for 100% GMC title, spend some cash on ale hound title.........The life of the game is the new players

sumrtym · Oct 03, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

What I love are these arguments "FOW will become almost impossible to get", "It takes forever to farm the materials", etc. Wow, sounds like FOW armor might be something to work for then other than the about impossible farming to get items you want now.

What you mean when you really say this is, "I want to play monopoly, and already have FOW", not that "It will make FOW impossible to get for newbies". If they want it, they'll work for it. The present trading / drop system, you CAN NOT get the stats you want on the item skin you want!

If so, show me a bunch of req 8-9 zodiac staffs with matching req and 20/20 cast recharge. Show me a bunch of shields of skins I like with same 8-9 req and +30 with either max +10 armor vs or -2 stance.

You can't. Cause you see one ONCE in a blue moon. And the situation is not that much better for a lot of other things 15>50.

Again, grinding for never getting is not fun. At least with FOW armor, at SOME point, you'll get it.

sumrtym · Oct 03, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

What I love are these arguments "FOW will become almost impossible to get", "It takes forever to farm the materials", etc. Wow, sounds like FOW armor might be something to work for then other than the about impossible farming to get items you want now.

What you mean when you really say this is, "I want to play monopoly, and already have FOW", not that "It will make FOW impossible to get for newbies". If they want it, they'll work for it. The present trading / drop system, you CAN NOT get the stats you want on the item skin you want!

If so, show me a bunch of req 8-9 zodiac staffs with matching req and 20/20 cast recharge. Show me a bunch of shields of skins I like with same 8-9 req and +30 with either max +10 armor vs or -2 stance.

You can't. Cause you see one ONCE in a blue moon. And the situation is not that much better for a lot of other things 15>50.

Again, grinding for never getting is not fun. At least with FOW armor, at SOME point, you'll get it.

Tommy · Oct 03, 2006, 02:32 PM // 14:32

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Originally Posted by sumrtym

What I love are these arguments "FOW will become almost impossible to get", "It takes forever to farm the materials", etc. Wow, sounds like FOW armor might be something to work for then other than the about impossible farming to get items you want now.

What you mean when you really say this is, "I want to play monopoly, and already have FOW", not that "It will make FOW impossible to get for newbies". If they want it, they'll work for it. The present trading / drop system, you CAN NOT get the stats you want on the item skin you want!

If so, show me a bunch of req 8-9 zodiac staffs with matching req and 20/20 cast recharge. Show me a bunch of shields of skins I like with same 8-9 req and +30 with either max +10 armor vs or -2 stance.

You can't. Cause you see one ONCE in a blue moon. And the situation is not that much better for a lot of other things 15>50.

Again, grinding for never getting is not fun. At least with FOW armor, at SOME point, you'll get it.

you can get a req8 15^50 crytalline at some point for sure

.. just offer someone 20 millions,<which translate into 18 to 22 months of farming> i am sure that you can get one.
with 20 millions you can get anything you want at any skin

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arcanemacabre · Oct 03, 2006, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Something I thought about as well... How many of the -uber- wealthy players out there still play the game? I've heard so many stories of the richest of the rich simply becomming bored of GW and leaving. To me, that is the inevitable end to the Elitist. They set unbelievably high goals for themselves, then work toward them. Once reached, what else is there?

Flaunting riches just gets old after a while, I'm sure. There's only so long you can hang out in the grotto showing off all your crystallines, FoW and magma shields. After a while you gotta realize, that's it. In your eyes, you've 'beaten' Guild Wars and it's time to move onto a different game.

This is why I think the casual gamer will be the best customer base for purchasing new chapters, not the 'hardcore' gamer. I'm not going to get tired of this game if I constantly have goals to reach simply by my playstyle.